It would be entrapment if the cops set up a profile as a minor and then solicited for sex. They didn't. They had a profile sitting there doing nothing and all these idiots couldn't wait to try and have sex with a minor.

No sympathy, and no entrapment.

Except it isn't entrapment. It's you being disingenuous

Snoofy, trying desperately to make---------- great again.

Stop being disingenuous. You honestly think it's not the same thing? Like for real?

He's just a poor persecuted man that was entrapped by the big bad police?

The rules are very clear, the Cop posing as a minor can't do anything to encourage or entice. Just have an account that indicates they are a minor. So here comes mister poor persecuted and entrapped pastor: "ooh! A child!"And starts sending them d1ck pics and asking to meet, and telling them all the nasty things they want to sexually do to them. They literally have no idea it's NOT a minor, so the law says if they initiate contact and initiate meeting for the sake of sex, it's the same as if the person is a minor. Because if the circumstances were different ... it was an actual child ... . Then that kid is going to end up raped.

Right. And this case, they solicited sex from an underage person ... .. who happened to be an adult cop.

So let's say your daughter is 13. someone starts sending her d1ck pix and asking to meet her ... . But it's actually you they are pinging ... . Does that mean they weren't actually trying to have sex with a minor because you answered every text and received every pic they sent unsolicited?

What a naive way to go through life.

Just to be clear, bellringer, you don't think anyone that broke a myriad of laws on 1/6 should be held accountable for it? I'm trying to understand your position, and I am failing.

192. Short answer? Yes. 100% yes.

185. No. Because they were not an imminent threat of death or great bodily injury to anyone.

It's called "totality of the circumstances." In one case hundreds of cops are outnumbered MAYBE 2 or 3 to 1 but amply covered with riot gear to keep them safe

The other they were outnumbered hundreds to 1. HUNDREDS to 1 without appropriate equipment to protect themselves

You can try to pretend those two Situations are similar. You will sound like an idiot, but you can.

To call this "ideology" driven is laughable on our face. Laughable in a tragic and sad way.

Amazingly ... . Laughably ... . False.

Rioters ... . And yes they were rioters ... . Threw bottles and rocks at the police. And were met with fully armed and battle ready police in solid lines with shields, helmets, and pepper spray cannons.

At no time did they start beating a few lone officers with sticks ... . And the ultimate irony ... . Thin blue line flags ... .

There were armed skirmishes between two combatants. The police evacuated and ceded ground where they felt they had a tactical advantage to do so, and to avoid excessive antagonizing causing more violence. When the police had the upper hand they cleared the areas block by block. When they didn't they retreated. They had the luxury of time and equipment.

The Capitol was an all out and furious assault where this officer had to Discharge his weapon because there was NO ability for him to retreat to safety. The police were woefully unprepared for what happened, and were left with no choices.

Like I said, not similar in any way.

157. Because the facts aren't even remotely similar.

146. Yes. As I have pointed out to you as nauseum. Her actions aren't the only pertinent actions. She has an angry mob behind her that presented a deadly threat of overwhelming force.

MB. I want you to grab a gun and holster up. Your mission is to defend fleeing law makers 50 feet behind you. You have 25 rounds and a pocket knife. For hours over your radio while you are trying to figure out if you should shelter in place or retreat, I want you to listen to your co workers, your best friends scream and cry over the radio about needing back up, calling for medical assistance because they have been drug into a crowd and beaten, heart calls that guns have been seen and removed from protestors outside the building where you are hiding with your protectees, hear the call that one of your brethren may have just died from his injuries.

suddenly, just when they call finally comes that your protectees are evacuating, and you are the only person in a barricaded hallway, you see s crowd of several hundred reach the glass doorway you are defending. There is a guy there in full body armor and a helmet and woman with a back pack containing unknown items in it. You begging telling them to stop, don't come any closer. The woman with the back pack grabs a deadly weapon ... . The wooden leg of a chair she has smashed for this very purpose, she smashes the glass out. You tell again to stop. She starts climbing through with the angry mob cheering loudly for her. You see your protectees behind you ...

What do you do?

Just say "stop! Or I'll say stop again, only louder!"

You aren't being objective. You may THINK you are, but you obviously have a child's understanding of police procedure, deadly force policy, and threat management.

The three cases you are trying to discuss simultaneously as of they are one event are independent of each other and the facts should be reviewed not together but separately.

Ashli Babbitt shooting was absolutely and unquestioningly justified.

George Floyd was murdered by the Police.

The mobs in Portland were dealt with using appropriate violence.

The end.

Why are you defecting to that? It's immaterial. We are discussing Ashli Babbitt. It's possible to discuss that without trying to obfuscate the issue by bringing up meaningless crap.

126 yes. In fact I have seen every piece of evidence used in court. Have you? Inviting the testimony of all of his supervisors that testified that the officer was well outside of policy and the law for failing to provide medical aid to a submitted suspect.

Spin whatever you like, but you are WRONG.

121 the justification for deadly force does NOT ... . Let me say that again ... does NOT.. require the threat to be armed!

It requires that a reasonable officer believe his life, or the life of innocents is in jeopardy of imminent death OR great bodily injury. She was there at the head of an angry mob that posed an imminent threat of death or great bodily injury to the agent in question and the people he was being paid to protect who were trying to evacuate not 50 feet behind him. He was covering their retreat. An officer outnumbered HUNDREDS to one doesn't need to see a weapon to know that he is in danger of being overwhelmed and killed by the group.

Period.

Stop using lame excuses that have no bearing on the case.

104. What do you mean "what an I talking about?" George Floyd has fully submitted, was proned out in handcuffs and not moving a single miracle. For 9 minutes he had completely submitted and wasn't resisting. And yet, the cops full weight was across his neck, closing off his airway and preventing his chest from fully inflating. Which, you know ... KILLED him. He was no longer resisting arrest, and was no longer a deadly threat to ANYONE, and hadn't been for 9 minutes.

Ashli on the other hand, was a deadly threat in the act of committing deadly violence. Period.

There is no comparison.

Madbomber, your comparison with Floyd is totally disingenuous. Floyd was killed by suffocating him for 9 minutes AFTER he ceased to be a threat. AB was killed while still actively a deadly threat to law enforcement and the law makers they were sworn and hired to protect.

We get French benefits?

110

Whaaaaaat? It isn't 5G?

108. No way. I am not a huge contributor b here, but I've been around and in the background for 14 years. Goatman was a troll, but he was Halfway smart and not usually angry about whatever point he was making. This guy is unhinged.

Well. She should have appointed more republicans to it if she wanted to claim it as bipartisan ... .. I don't think Nancy cares about that at all. Not judging and not mad about it, just stating facts.

Oh, one more point to make and Terrorist Babbitt: she was wearing a back pack ... . That could have contained ANYTHING to be used against the people this dude gets paid to keep safe.

Forgot one of the most important in the recap: outnumbered HUNDREDS to 1.