Either way you are asking for major changes that will have to be rammed down their throats.

Do away with their protections and just make it a free for all on the bank accounts of the city/county?

Or force common sense solution of civilian oversight. Both have an uphill battle, both will solve the problem, but ending qualified immunity will spawn many other problems.

I agree it could use some tweaks. But the system as it exists, provided it is used as intended (it isn't) along with civilian oversight, would alleviate many of your concerns.

The reason cops are paid for so long is due to the volume of dubious complaints made against them.

The way the process is supposed to work, complaint is filed, investigation conducted, if found in scope of employment, good to go, return to full duty.

If not found in the scope of employment, qualified immunity doesn't apply and they are tried criminally and/or civilly.

Where the system is broken in my view isn't the qualified immunity part, it's the lack of civilian oversight where the outcome can't be Hidden from view. More officers need to be stripped of their qualified immunity.... but on a case by case basis, where the ultimate arbiter isn't the cops friends on the department. Is a civilian panel that reviews the complaints.

True. But the getting rid of qualified immunity would change that. Officers ARE subject to a mountain of frivolous complaints already. Changing qualified immunity would increase that, and turn them into lawsuits

#20 uh... no. But, as you are arrested claiming over use of physical force would become widespread. I mean the extremes make for fun fiction, but come on.

Suddenly everyone is suing every officer personally the second the handcuffs are put on, the police can't get anything done, and every officer is bankrupt.

Just because

That one I disagree with. The sheer volume of frivolous complaints they already face as suspects throw up a flurry of bull in a desperate attempt to get away with their shenanigans, would not only go up dramatically, they would be forced to settle cases just before it's cheaper to do so than to continue paying lawyers to fight.... even though the overwhelming majority of cases would be absolute crap. I think PDs would start being viewed as ATMs and get rich quick schemes.

I agree. I'd Also like to see more civilian oversight for departments.

#13 because even with training, mistakes over which one you activated, the lethal or non lethal would be frequent.

It's much better to train the officer to differentiate between the gun and other less than lethal weapons by having to actually consciously reach for them.

#10 Suggesting leg and arm shots as if they are non lethal is doing exactly that.

Any time you require a police officer who has determined deadly force is necessary to aim at a certain part of the body, you are asking for trouble. Center mass is the only place to aim. Why? You can't dodge with your torso as much as you think, plus it'sa larger target. Legs and arms, while also potentially lethal shots, are moved very easily and much smaller so incredibly easy to miss. Where'd that bullet that missed go that missed because you required the officer to narrow his aim point unnecessarily? Could be anywhere. Even into innocent people very far away.

Leg and arm shots are simply stupid. Anyone that thinks otherwise has never shot a gun, especially not under duress.

Nobody said you have to wish him well. I wouldn't expect that.

But wishing someone to get sick, die, or taking pleasure in that happening makes you a terrible person. And yes, I am going to point out your immorality if you do it.

See? There is nothing wrong with that sentiment. But wishing anyone to have pain and suffering is a horrible way to go through life. It's disgusting.

I wish him well, and I hope he loses in November. That's the mature and moral position.

#30. Yes. Even Hitler, or bin Laden. Neither should have pain wished upon them. Capture and jail? Sure. But celebrating disease or death is the mark of a complete trash of a human. That's not the same thing as understanding that bin Laden was killed for his own actions, it's the actively wishing and hoping for death and destruction that makes you morally bankrupt.

#23. Bull. Good people never.... EVER.... celebrate or wish misfortune and pain on others. If you do, you are a completely terrible human being. I am sorry if the shoe fits, Cinderella.

I have no problem with a complete lack of empathy. He's earned that. But, anyone that says anything smug or celebratory about him getting covid is a terrible human.

Generally speaking, I lean conservative. I am not libertarian than Republican, but whatever. I try to be fair and judge everyone and everything on its merits and not worry about the lens of politics, especially party based politics.

This is unconscionable. Truly. I would never accept my children compromising their integrity, morals, ethics, or anything else in the name of winning.... I can't advocate for it in my politicians.

If 4 years ago, it's not right to appoint a nominee because it's too close to the election, that's fine. I wasn't too furious because precedent can change. Be rules established. But to then turn around in the very next election completely ignore every argument you made and take the exact opposite position just because it's advantageous?

In the immortal words of the Dude: this aggression will not stand, man.

I wouldn't accept this from my children on the football field, why is everyone so wish to throw away their moral compass just to win?

I.... can't.... with this.

I am disgusted.

Rest in peace, pioneer.

Where does one apply to join a secret army? Is there like a LinkedIn profile or something?

But.... but..... she's hot. So, all's good, right?

Bizarro, your argument is like saying a shooting victim died from lead poisoning and not trauma. It's stupid.

Kneeling on his neck while he is already in distress and it has no effect? Are you insane?

Bizarro, the rear knee choke is designed to control suspects UNTIL they are in handcuffs. There are countless court cases determining that once a suspect is in handcuffs they are incapable of helping themselves and it is the responsibility of the officer to help them. The officer should have called for Ems at the first sign of trouble.... which he didn't ever see because he was still choking him. You don't know he died from the fentanyl. Of the officer had provided proper medical care and got him to the hospital he may have lived. But choking him for ten straight minutes AFTER he was handcuffed ensured he did not.

Completely the officers responsibility.

We 100% need more people to do exactly that Snoofy. At least we have some common ground.

Bizarro, you aren't helping and add nothing.

Breonna Taylor likely did aid get drug dealing ex a little bit. That's not a death sentence. Get being involved on the buying or selling of drugs is not in any way relevant to her being killed by police. It is ludicrous to think that poor people desperate for a way out of being poor deserve to be killed or somehow brought it on themselves.

The only relevant facts in the Breonna Taylor case is that the thus far it appears the police were legally right in their entrance to the home. They had a warrant signed by an impartial judge. They got shot at and returned fire. One of the officers is responsible for over half the rounds has been fired and is still under investigation. It seems the correct response by the department and the DAs office has been taken. If the facts change, then the response should change.

Bizarro, stop bringing up Floyd's fentanyl blood level. It doesn't matter. At all. Completely irrelevant. The rear knee choke is a restraint used to temporarily deal with a suspect to get t them cuffed. He was cuffed. And as such, he became 100% the responsibility of the arresting officer. He should have immediately sat him up and medically checked him. Period. End of story. I don't care if he has ---- his own throat right before the officer cuffed him. The officer would be responsible because instead of doing the right things after getting him cuffs, he purposefully made it worse. He is a murderer, and that's it.

I would agree with that moder8. I base my opinion on the fact that the cops had a right to be there and a right to return fire. If they lied on the warrant, then they had no legal right to be there which trashes all of their other defenses.

I'll give you an A for the effort, not one of those shooters were actively defending themselves in a life or death struggle.

Emptying.... stupid auto correct.