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And now, you are have decided that burning down the entire country is worth it if it means your precious illegal aliens get to stay. Your politicians are the ones have actively encouraged the riots in places like Minneapolis and radicalized people into thinking they have a right to obstruct lawful immigration enforcement. Renee good and Alex Pretti are dead because of you.

I, along with 77 million other Americans, voted for a government that promised mass deportations. And that doesn't mean just gang members and criminals. It means every single person who crossed the border illegally or has overstayed their visa. It doesn't matter if they're a murderer or uber eats driver. We voted to get rid of them all because America is a sovereign nation that has the right to deport people with no right to be here in the first place.

So no, I simply do not care about any of the sob stories that you manufacture on a daily basis to emotionally manipulate people against lawful enforcement of our immigration laws. I don't care if federal agents wearing masks triggers you, I don't care about your tug-at-the-heartstrings propaganda, and I especially don't care that your illegal alien "neighbors" feel scared.

We're sick of being told we're bad people for objecting to the hordes of third-world illegals that you brought here without our consent. The moment you decide that Americans matter more to you than protecting illegals is the moment the chaos and death comes to an end. But you won't because all you are useful idiots for a machine that seeks to make Americans poor and miserable in the country their ancestors built

I just saw this at a site called Twitchy

" To my leftist friends:

I do not care that a leftist agitator got himself killed because he decided to arm himself with a gun and venture out to resist ICE, nor the other one who sped her car at an ICE agent while fleeing arrest, nor do I care about the little kid who was detained with his illegal alien father.

And neither do you, because all you care about are turning people-- whose deaths never would have happened if you people didn't have a psychopathic opposition to lawful immigration enforcement-- into martyrs who can be used to justify ending deportations, which you want because it's the biggest threat to Democratic political power.

What I do care about is the fact that there are millions of illegal aliens that have invaded my country. Your party are the ones who spent the previous 4 years importing as many of them into America as possible-- allowing millions of foreign military-aged men to cross the southern border and resettling them all around the country with our tax dollars.

You didn't give a crap about the thousands of unaccompanied children that smugglers dropped off at the border-- nor the thousands that went missing-- in one of the biggest child trafficking operations in the world that happened because of your party.

You didn't care about real victims like Laken Riley, Jocelyn Nungaray, and Rachel Morin-- not agitators trying to obstruct law enforcement-- but innocent people who were minding their own business when they were brutally murdered by criminal illegal aliens that Biden released into the country.

But you people have decided that it's imperative that these illegals be able to stay. That somebody fresh over the border from Honduras is just as American as the rest of us. That somebody with such disrespect for our country that their first contribution to it was breaking our immigration laws should be given the same rights as every American. That they should be allowed to continue stealing jobs, driving up housing costs, and mooching off American taxpayers.

And you want this for one reason and one reason only: Because it's the only way you can continue winning elections. You don't actually care about any of these people. You just want to give them citizenship so they can vote for Democrats and count them in the census so that blue states have more electoral votes than they deserve.

All you want is to import as many foreigners as possible and give them a stake in the political future of our country so that Democrats can rule forever without the consent from actual Americans who you couldn't give two craps about.

And you of course don't actually want to deal with the consequences of mass immigration. The places you live are not the ones where massive demographic changes have happened almost overnight. You'll continue living in your majority-white affluent communities while working class Americans deal with the influx of your new class of voters.
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"I understand where truth is coming from but Jeff is too far gone and it made this thread hard to follow "

Twoothy totally spammed the thread yet I'm the problem?

"llegal aliens do not count as "persons".

#94 | Posted by REDIAL at 2026-01-26 02:01 PM "

It is my understanding that they do. Otherwise, what is below wouldn't even need to be proposed:

"This bill requires that the statement sent by the President to Congress after the decennial census indicating the number of persons in each state exclude noncitizens. (This statement is the basis for reapportionment of U.S. Representatives.)"

I totally ---------- Twoothy.

Go take some meds.

Some of the opposition is driven by how the deportations are being carried out especially with 2 fatal shootings over a short span of time.

Having said that, even if the deportation process was more restrained and the rhetoric from the administration was more careful and less reckless and incendiary, Democrats and their allies would still oppose this tooth and nail.

" When, specifically, do these humans cease to be "persons" under the Constitution?"

Democrats absolutely prioritize illegal aliens over citizens.

" When, specifically, do these humans cease to be "persons" under the Constitution?"

As I said up thread, if non citizens are to be excluded from being counted in terms of House seats, and they absolutely should, "persons" may very well prevent it from happening.

" The upper ceiling of supposed migrants in the "invasion" is 12 million people (which is entirely unsupported, BTW).

That's, at most, about 3.5% of the total populace"

They are not spread evenly at all. It doesn't take much for a state to add or lose seats due to population shift. Again, basic math and a rudimentary understanding of our civic processes.

" Most end up in blue area anyway, which does nothing to skew election dynamics.

You're an idiot. Just STFU already and stop acting like you give two s*&^s about our Constitution and Republic.

#73 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2026-01-26 10:50 AM | FLAG: "

You are so ------- stupid. Locating illegal aliens n blue states is the whole reason why Biden's handlers opened the floodgates. Increasing the number of "persons" in blue states can result in either added seats or Status quo as citizens are fleeing blue states for greener pastures in red states.

It's basic math which is too much for your stupid ass to comprehend.

Stay in your lane, junior. Pathogens and truckers' dongs are your areas of expertise. When you swerve outside of those two lanes you end up looking like an idiot.

" It's just a stats reporting issue"

No it isn't. It's about congressional seats and electoral college votes.

" Because you bigoted s*&^piles are making stuff up out of thin air.

There's no Constitutional basis for excluding non-citizens from representative appropriation and this is nothing but a naked power grab for rural red states and rural red districts.

#63 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2026-01-26 01:44 AM | FLAG: "

You give the game away. I've been saying for a while the reason that Biden's handlers flooded the zone was mostly about the 2030 census and numerical power. Lefties on this site, you included, hurled all sort of invective at me for suggesting that the auto pen open borders was a naked power grab. Yet, here you are now defending it. It's the biggest reason why you are so opposed to securing the border and embarking the insurmountable numerical task of removing a meaningful fraction of illegal aliens auto-pen flooded our country with.

" It makes no changes to representation."

That is what needs to happen next.

" It will ultimately go down to original intent IMO.

Not letting slaves vote?

#59 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2026-01-26 01:14 AM | REPLY | FLAG:"

No. Not about voting. It's about congressional seats and electoral votes. Southern states wanted to have their cake and eat it too. They wanted to have slaves as property but wanted them 100% counted in the census to boost their census numbers. That is where the 3/5 compromise came into play.

The crazy thing is, people who are ignorant of history view the 3/5 person clause as being incredibly racist, when it was the opposite politically.

" Yes. It would require passing a Constitutional Amendmen"

Maybe. Maybe not.

" which is not something that will ever happen again."

Probably true.

" No, for "Persons". That law thing again.

#57 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2026-01-26 01:04 AM | FLAG: "

That will be the legal issue. It will ultimately go down to original intent IMO. I don't think an argument can be made that when "persons" was written the intent was to open our borders and shuffle non citizens around so they could passively participate in our electoral process.

" That's the way it's supposed to work.

#54 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2026-01-26 12:58 AM | FLAG: "

Yes. Absolutely. For citizens. If the US were to have a red state exodus to blue states then blue states should gain seats and electoral college votes based upon their CITIZEN population.

" Do "non-citizens" pay taxes? Yes. Therefore, they are due representation, you stupid ------- drooling MAGAT ----------- --------.

#53 | POSTED BY LEGALLYYOURDEAD AT 2026-01-26 12:53 AM | FLAG: "

Nope. You're stupid. Doesn't work that way.

Cont ... ..when districts are redrawn based upon census numbers.

" Um. Aren't the House seats already capped legally?

#45 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE AT 2026-01-26 12:30 AM | FLAG: "

Yes. It's a zero sum game. Put in very simple terms (and basic numbers) hypothetically let's say 200K left Minnesota and went directly to Texas. The end result would likely be Minnesota loses a seat and Texas gains a seat.

" I retract my 41. I'm not actually sure what that question is asking.

#43 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2026-01-25 11:11 PM | FLAG: "

Non-citizens (this includes those who are here legally) are not permitted to vote in national elections because non-citizens have no business anticipating in our political process.

Extrapolated out, non-citizens shouldn't be able to passively participate by flocking to certain areas of the country to inflate the population in said areas to increase representation for those areas via more House seats and electoral college votes.

That is why I say this SHOULDN'T be a partisan issue.

" The topic is that Trump wants subjects, not citizens, is willing to to kill to get that, and you're willing to help in your own small way ay.

#39 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2026-01-25 10:07 PM | FLAG: "

Try commenting on topic.

" ICE isn't law enforcement"

Yes, they are.

" They have no right to abuse and kill Americans"

I 100% agree with you on this.

"#35 | POSTED BY HORSTNGRABEN AT 2026-01-25 09:24 PM | FLAG: "

Maybe try commenting on topic.

#36. I knew you'd say that. I don't mean that in a negative way because I don't think you come to that belief fr9m a bad place. For me, citizenship has privileges. If I were to be transferred to the UK for work for an indefinite period of time I would never presume to be allowed to vote in their elections nor would I expect to have my presence in any way be any kind of participant in their political processes.