Still haven't read pages 15-16 of the declassified FISA application? It's okay for you to remain willfully stupid but please try to limit your contagion to others.

Hey dummy, that's been addressed:

"8. Omitted the fact that Steele's Primary Sub-source, who the FBI found credible, had made statements in January 2017 raising significant questions about the reliability of allegations included in the FISA applications, including, for example, that he/she did not recall any discussion with Person 1 concerning Wikileaks and there was "nothing bad" about the communications between the Kremlin and the Trump team, and that he/she did not report to Steele in July 2016 that Page had met with Sechin;"

Lies.

You are an embarrassment like the rest of these clowns.

Painful ignorance Andrea...painful!

It's truly sad how often Andrea shows just how painfully ignorant he is. The issue was with the RENEWING of the warrant, not its origin as you've wrongly alleged for months and months.

Anyone who keeps spouting obvious lies and distortions should be considered allies and or operatives in the ongoing Russian disinformation campaign and treated as such until further notice. Stop being traitorous, the truth is right before your eyes.

#64 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-11-23 06:28 AM | Reply

Nothing could be further from the truth, Danforth.

DANFORTH

I think he's trying to say that FISA warrants are automatically rubber stamped.

Nothing could be further than the truth. I seem to remember the signing off goes through 8 different arbiters at the DOJ and is arduous and time consuming before it ever reaches the A.G. ~ and they double check everything.

#63 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-11-23 03:15 AM | Reply

"Carter Page"

Carter Page?!? You mean the guy who told US authorities the Russians were trying to recruit him? The guy who got FISA warrants renewed, which requires NEW findings since the prior warrant?

Yeah...hang your hat on that one.

Meanwhile, if the tables were turned, and Page was an HRC operative meeting with Russians, your head would've exploded if the FBI hadn't investigated.

#62 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-23 01:43 AM

The "narrative" has been that the investigation wasn't based solely on the Steele dossier and that it wasn't partisan actions by "deep state" members trying to oust Trump for personal reasons.

Well, we could believe your reshaping of history, or we can head on over to the old twitter machine and see nearly every leading media member covering this story telling us over and over with hundreds and hundreds of tweets for months on end that the Page FISA applications were legit, and the reason they had done so because Page is a lynchpin to the case. Type it into google and search it yourself, the compilations are a delight. Just an absolute consensus of wrong.

What has me unsettled is people who act as if they're accurately assessing reality while supporting an AG who is weaponizing the DOJ to go after political enemies while touting an executive branch that's far more powerful and independent than our Constitution allows for.

Perhaps someday you will get through your thick skull is that what was weaponized was the ------- FISA court and this investigation and further investigations are clearly warranted. I'm sorry if our government lying to secret courts isn't as exciting as Trump tweeting at Greta, but you're going to have to bear with the adults for a while longer.

You know, maybe if you idiots actually read the reports rather than the narratives that have been written about what's in the report, you wouldn't look like such imbeciles. But why bother with that when you can have great people like Jennifer Rubin put words in your mouth?

You guys keep angling towards some kind of Fruit Of The Poisonous Tree exoneration of Trump, without using those words, because you're not lawyers.

It's called the rule of law. It's the ---- you guys say you are into when a Democrat is your president.

The tainted evidence is admissible if:

I appreciate the recognition that the evidence is tainted, and none of it meets the threshold to make it tainted and admissible.

THE COPS SHOULDNT HAVE EVER LOOKED INTO A CRIME.

The cops shouldn't be lying to get a warrant.

As I said, nothing you note has been proven in court beyond a reasonable doubt, just like allegations against Trump.

Prove them first, allow those who made these potential criminal mistakes to testify under oath as to how and why they did those things. Then pass definitive judgment.

Tony's default position is that he believes Steele and his phony document, but the jury is still out on Steele's literal sources disputing the details in his phony document. This is perfectly reasonable.

Oh, and Danni, I'll go ahead and pretend you weren't nodding your head in agreement with me twelve years ago when I was blasting these same letter agencies for their misdeeds and lip service to rule of law.

Is it just me or does Ben Berkkake make others want to vomit too?

You're allergic to the truth.

As has been reported ad nauseum, nothing in the Steele dossier has been conclusively proven wholly false while much of it has been confirmed since it's release.

Directly from the IG exec summary on Crossfire Hurricane.

"8. Omitted the fact that Steele's Primary Sub-source, who the FBI found credible, had made statements in January 2017 raising significant questions about the reliability of allegations included in the FISA applications, including, for example, that he/she did not recall any discussion with Person 1 concerning Wikileaks and there was "nothing bad" about t he communications between the Kremlin and t he Trump team, and that he/she did not report to Steele in July 2016 that Page had met with Sechin;"

also

"Among the most serious of the 10 additional errors we found in the renewal applications was the FBI's failure to advise OJ or the court of the inconsistences, described in detail in Chapter Six, between Steele and his Primary Sub-source on t he reporting relied upon in the FISA applications. Although the Primary Sub-source's account of these communications, if true, was not consistent with and, in fact, contradicted the allegations of a "well-developed conspiracy" in Reports 95 and 102 attributed to Person 1 the FBI did not share this information with 01."

Page was not the entrance nor fulcrum that the FBI investigation was laid on.

It's obvious they really wanted Papadopoulos and/or Page. They couldn't get Papadopoulos, so there was no limit to the lying to make sure they got Page...and it was on the back of a report written by a notorious BSer, commissioned by democrats.

"The FISA request form drew almost entirely from Steele's reporting in describing the factual basis to establish probable cause to believe that Page was an agent of a foreign power, including the secret meeting between Carter Page and Divyekin alleged in Steele's Report 94 and the role of Page as an intermediary between Russia and the Trump campaign's then manager, Paul Manafort, in the "well-developed conspiracy" alleged in Steele's Report 95."

Elevating him as an example of errors doesn't eliminate all the other factual crimes and behaviors of Trump-related officials and Russians. Will you agree to that?

So abuse of FISA courts, lies and omissions should be standard operating procedure now? You're ok with all of this as long as the FBI gets their man? Where's the accountability?

I'll tell you what, a couple years from now when you find out Trump had embeds on Warren, Biden and Sanders, because the report has made clear he has plenty of supporters in the FBI, I don't want to hear a peep from the partisans about it.

And even though mistakes were made, how can anyone conclude without trial that they were made with the intent to harm Trump? Can't people make mistakes that aren't based on bias other than normal human fallibility? The errors committed were egregious, but their existence only allowed for further surveillance that may not have been permitted without them. The inclusions DID NOT lead to false evidence even if they did compromise a suspect's rights to privacy. This does not poison the rest of the evidence and wrongdoing found within the investigation unrelated to surveillance on Carter Page nor make the investigation's multi-faceted narrative 'bogus'.

The FBI:

Lie about exculpatory evidence.
Lie about Steele's credibility.
Lie about contacting Steele's subsource and verifying his claims.
Repeatedly use Steele dossier as pretext for FISA warrants knowing the subsource said it was false.

Tony Roma:

Is this normal human fallability?

Many of you have such Hillary Hate that you won't ever consider the facts but I try to supply them just in case you have am inadvertent moment of honesty.

What abouting isn't about facts, it's about obfuscation. You know that.

Or does Hillary Clinton, the Queen of Warmongers, have her hand up your ass making your lips move?

He'd waterboard a million innocent Russians without a second thought (or a shred of evidence) if Hillary scared him enough.

Of course I have it figured out. You guys have a club with secret decoder rings and each day Kellyanne Conway, and in some cases St. Petersburg, send the signal on what to say and think

Walls are closing in, right Zed?

Have you ever been right about any of this Russian --------? You started convinced of treason, and it's been diminished expectations ever since.

What's amazing is how all of you seem to come up with these memes abruptly and together.

What's amazing is your narcissism is at such an astronomical level that you think a few showing up for a drive-by to laugh at your idiocy is probably evidence of a coordinated attack, probably by the Russians.

Amazing! Where do you get this stuff? Is there a newsletter?

It shouldn't be hard to figure out, especially for you. Just take whatever you're one hundred percent convinced is going to happen, and prepare for the opposite. It's like clockwork.

Eat your sugar and get your vaccine, bitches. It's healthy, doctor said so.

Whinging about Russian propaganda in a thread with an article that was written by Julia Davis, who is The Atlantic Council's Alex Jones, is peak Russiagate. The lack of self awareness never ceases to amaze.

It was wrong for this guy to try to remain in power after changing the rules to allow himself to remain in power.

He followed the supreme court ruling. Somehow a military coup is preferable to following the rulings of their court system?

The socialist president claimed authoritarian powers in the name of the popular will.

He didn't claim authoritarian powers. The Supreme Court made a ruling and he obeyed the ruling. Is obeying supreme court rulings authoritarian?

Then the OAS fomented unrest with deliberately conflating the "quick count" voting with the official voting, and the rest is history.

Oh well, at least we can get at those sweet, sweet lithium mines now. We got batteries to make. This green new deal ain't supplying itself.

This seems like a major news story. Surprised it's not getting more attention.

The good people at the CIA are working their magic, and the media loves when we overthrow governments, so no reporting for you.

A competent president could have found a way not to betray the Kurds.

That has nothing to do with "eternal war", and everything to do with a mentally-ill shyster.

What you consider a competent president (like the Queen of the Warmongers) would never leave...and that would be just fine with you. You couldn't care less.

"Democrats" like you are the problem.