A mere momentary diverson compared to Executiongate.

Given Miley's actions, he should be put on trial.
#83 | Posted by deadman

A lot of people think Trump should be put on trial, but I have never heard Biden or Harris or any other high ranking Democrat in Congress suggest he deserves to be executed.

"Stop already, you are looking dumber than Biden now."

I stand by my posts.

As for Trump's remark about Cheney, it did sound to me at first like he was talking about putting her in front of a firing squad. After hearing it a few more times and researching how many people are usually in a firing squad (was that the reason he used the number 9?), I came to the conclusion that's not literally what he was was referring to. Having said that, I still have a problem with the implied violence in his statement (shooting her in the face), especially because of other comments he has made in recent months (suggesting General Mark Miley deserves execution, giving a thummbs up to military tribunals for his political opponents). I tried to explain all that in my previous posts. The only thing I forgot to cite was Trump's remarks about Miley:

Here's what I quoted Josh Marshall as saying on the topic:

@joshtpm
One of those cases where it's clear what Biden said and the only question is how much MSM journalists will allow Trumpers to lie about it. Nothingburger. "demonization" coming after supporters makes no sense unless it's the supporters demonization. Again, Trump's closing on denying being Hitler. They'll do anything to change the story.

2/ Talking to reporters about this, basically none of them can credibly say they think that's what Biden said so they pivot to but Republicans are already fundraising off of it. This is really the heart of the current media moment.
#53 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

The White House purposely and illegally tried to cover up the transcript of what Biden said which was utter hate and contempt for 50% of America.

That wasn't what he said, if you place one single comma where it's supposed to be in his statement:

"Just the other day, a speaker at his rally called Puerto Rico a floating island of garbage,' " Biden said on the call.

"They're good, decent, honorable people," Biden said, referring to Puerto Ricans. "The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporter ' s. His demonization of Latinos is unconscionable, and it's un-American. It's totally contrary to everything we've done."

The transcript was missing the possessive comma designating the subject being discussed was Hinchcliffe, not anyone else. Grammar has rules folks, even if Trumpers never do.
#87 | Posted by tonyroma

With an apostrophe the key sentence doesn't even make sense. Also, I am much more inclined to take the stenographer's interpretation because they are trained to accurately transcribe.
#65 | Posted by BellRinger

Adding the apostrophe changes the other punctuation:

WH transcript shows Joe Biden called Tony Hinchcliffe "garbage" language:

And just the other day, a speaker at his rally called Puerto Rico a "floating island of garbage." Well, let me tell you something. I don't-- I--I don't know the Puerto Rican that--that I know--or a Puerto Rico, where I'm fr--in my home state of Delaware, they're good, decent, honorable people. The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporter's--his--his demonization of Latinos is unconscionable, and it's un-American. It's totally contrary to everything we've done, everything we've been.
#23 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

"Supporters, versus supporter's"

Exactly because if you read it as supporters then it read like this, which makes no sense grammatically:

And just the other day, a speaker at his rally called Puerto Rico a "floating island of garbage." Well, let me tell you something. I don't-- I--I don't know the Puerto Rican that--that I know--or a Puerto Rico, where I'm fr--in my home state of Delaware, they're good, decent, honorable people. The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters--his--his demonization of Latinos is unconscionable, and it's un-American. It's totally contrary to everything we've done, everything we've been.

If you do want to pretend Biden was talking about all Trump supporters, then Trump is the one who is demonizing Latinos and, althoughtit makes no sense grammatically, his supporters are garbage because they are on board with it. If Biden had meant all of Trump's supporters, he would have said:

And just the other day, a speaker at his rally called Puerto Rico a "floating island of garbage." Well, let me tell you something. I don't-- I--I don't know the Puerto Rican that--that I know--or a Puerto Rico, where I'm fr--in my home state of Delaware, they're good, decent, honorable people. The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters--their--their demonization of Latinos is unconscionable, and it's un-American. It's totally contrary to everything we've done, everything we've been.
#50 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

IOW, the stenographers made a grammatical mistake. It happens.

So, WH stenographers, whose job is to accurately transcribe, don't see the invisible apostrophe.
#53 | Posted by BellRinger

No one can hear an apostrophe, but by reading the text, you can see that grammatically what Biden said was "his suppporter's" not "his supporters."

FTA:

By now, you've most certainly heard about the most shocking comments from the rally at the Garden: the comic who joked about Puerto Rico as a "floating island of garbage"; the childhood friend of Trump's who called Harris "the Antichrist," while wielding a crucifix before the audience like some medieval Crusader; Tucker Carlson and Donald Trump, Jr., promoting the white-supremacist "replacement" theory that claims Democrats want to get rid of native-born Americans and put foreign people of color in their place. When Trump's longtime adviser and chief anti-immigration ideologue, Stephen Miller, said, "America is for Americans and Americans only," did he know that it was a direct echo of the Ku Klux Klan's "America for Americans" slogan? Or the Nazis' "Germany for the Germans"? It did not seem like a question that needed to be asked"it had already been answered. I can assure you that the night was not, as Trump tried to claim a couple days later, "an absolute love fest."

Video at link:

Aaron Rupar
@atrupar

Trump defends his Liz Cheney comments by amping up the incitement even further: "She kills people."

"Yav can speak for himself"

Of course, as can you, but since the discussion is taking place on this forum, I get to have an opinion.

I'm not going to jump on the "She's definitely going to win bandwagon."

My posts in this thread aren't meant to make that prediction either. Some of my friends are convinced Trump is goinog to win, but I don't think that is a fait accompli. I'm holding out hope for a Harris/Walz victory if perhaps only by the slimmest of margins. We'll see.

"It's the exact same thing......... If I'm screwing another man's wife, despite the issues in that marriage, then that's the same thing as you screwing another woman's husband, despite the issues in that marriage."

I agree with that, however, I don't think Yav is offering a defense or an excuse:

"The husband's gayness is no defense for YOUR choice. None. It's not some special get out of jail free card that excuses anything you've done."

I think he was offering an explanation for his own behavior, motivation. It seems like you want him to feel guilty about his actions, but he doesn't.

I watched the clip in its entirety. He called Trump supporters garbage. . . . I know what I saw and heard. "
#35 | Posted by BellRinger

No, he didn't as Tony and I both explained in another thread by doing everything short of diagramming Biden's sentence for you. You know what you wanted to see and hear. And that's fine. It's what people usually do. I often use this quote to describe that tendency: "We see things not as they are but as we are."

Oh, I just discovered the full quote which is by ----- Nin:

"We see things not as they are, but as we are. Because it is the 'I' behind the 'eye' that does the seeing."

Eberly,
This ad isn't about Trump. It's an ad stereotyping husbands (pretty much all of them) of treating their wives as property that they get to boss around and control.
#18 | Posted by BellRinger

All of them don't think that way but some do, especially those who follow what they think is the Christian concept that men are the head of their households and wives must obey their husbands. "Don't worry your pretty little head, dear. Let me do all the thinking around here.":

Charlie Kirk is upset that Republican women may "undermine their husbands" and secretly vote for Harris while telling their husbands they voted for Trump, even though the husband "works his tail off to make sure that she can have a nice life."

"I provided the entire clip."

Someitmes the full context is bigger than one entire clip as I hope my previous posts have just demonstrated. There is often a threat of violence in Trump's calls for retribution against his perceived political enemies.

Trump's Dark Threat Against Liz Cheney Is Cause for Nationwide Alarm

Donald Trump has ramped up his attacks on Liz Cheney"this time, fantasizing her death in gruesome new detail.

Trump's threat evoked his earlier comments about using the military against "the enemy within," which he said included the likes of Representatives Adam Schiff and Nancy Pelosi. Apparently, Cheney would also be on that list.

What's the point of putting Cheney and others before televised military tribunals?:

Trump amplifies posts calling for televised military tribunal for Liz Cheney

Former President Donald Trump amplified posts on social media calling for a televised military tribunal for former Republican Rep. Liz Cheney and the jailing of top elected officials, including President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris.

"ELIZABETH LYNNE CHENEY IS GUILTY OF TREASON," one post created by another user that Trump amplified on his social media website Truth Social on Sunday reads. "RETRUTH IF YOU WANT TELEVISED MILITARY TRIBUNALS."

#26 I feel your pain. Biden was talking about 1 Trump supporter but that's not the way Trump supporters heard it. C'est la vie.

The problem some people have with his comment is that he's a little too enthusiastic and graphic in his description:

At an event with Tucker Carlson on Thursday, Trump said of Cheney, "She's a radical war hawk. Let's put her with a rifle standing there with nine guns shooting at her. Let's see how she feels about it. You know, when the guns are trained on her face."

I had forgotten how bad the tape was because only part of it got played over and over again, so when I heard the extended version yesterday, I thought, "Wow, his comments were even worse than I remember." But that's the thing about Trump and the way Republicans and the media have normalized his worst comments and behavior:

US election: Full transcript of Donald Trump's obscene videotape

Trump: "I moved on her actually. You know she was down on Palm Beach. I moved on her, and I failed. I'll admit it. I did try and ---- her, she was married."

Unknown: "That's huge news there."

Trump: "No, no, Nancy. No this was [inaudible] and I moved on her very heavily in fact I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said I'll show you where they have some nice furniture. I moved on her like a bitch. I couldn't get there and she was married. Then all-of-a-sudden I see her, she's now got the big phony ---- and everything. She's totally changed her look."

Here's the link to the Stein tweet, the rest was me:

Sam Stein
@samstein
Trump tonight says he is going to have RFK Jr. working on "women's health

Sam Stein
@samstein
Trump tonight says he is going to have RFK Jr. working on "women's health

Just what every woman wants: a guy who had 37 affairs in one year when he was married to his first wife being in charge of women's reproductive health:

Here's Mike Luckovich's cartoon version of the Julia Roberts ad: