"Perhaps I'm not being clear, but my problem isn't with calling out those things for what they are - my problem is with equating every centrist or right winger as being the same as these fringe whack jobs for something like disagreeing with an essentially open borders policy. . . .Maybe if we didn't have idiots saying every Trump supporter is a racist and lumping them in with those groups, I wouldn't find Bernie's statements so problematic - but we have far more of those vocal idiots than actual white supremacists."

Not every centrist Dem or left winger is for open borders, and yet we have idiots on here saying every Democrat/liberal/progressive is for them.

I can't tell whether he's ... joined the political suicide crew that thinks things like being punctual are white supremacy
#24 | POSTED BY ZEROPOINTNRG

Yeah, cause that's what everyone on the left who objects to white supremacy has in mind. Especially Bernie who is descendent of Polish Jews, most of whom were murdered during the Holocaust.

PS If you can't tell about Bernie, maybe you have more in common with that embarrassing uncle than you would like to admit.

"When I was in high school, we would regularly shout "sieg heil" and give the nazi salute to principals, teachers, cops, security guards or any other authority figures."

Did a group of you get together and perform your Nazi salutes during an organized school ceremony? Or did you do it in a joking Hogan's Heroes kind of way?

"Maybe if we didn't have idiots saying every Trump supporter is a racist and lumping them in with those groups,"

Idiots will be idiots, and they are on both sides of the aisle. Not every Democrat is a post-birth, abortion-loving baby killer, for example.

"I know nationalists who are black, white, Latino, and Asian. However I've never met a "white nationalist" in my life that was anymore than the village idiot in Hicksville USA. The embarrassing uncle everyone wishes would shut up and no one takes seriously."

Did that embarrassing uncle happen to hold a position of power, say in the police force or local government? Did that embarrassing uncle happen to be a bank manager, rental property owner, coach or teacher? You get my drift.

Speaking of nuance. Bernie isn't against nationalism per se; he's against white nationalism aka white supremacy and racism:

Then he made his declaration. "We will go to war against white nationalism and racism in every aspect of our lives," he said.

"No one objects to a war against racists and white supremacists in and of itself."

Au contraire.

"What is objectionable is fanning the flames of division and racial tension by broad-brushing every political opponent as racist, every problem of class as being racially motivated, etc."

Bernie has never done this, and you are doing him a disservice to suggest otherwise:

Sanders described his family background as being Jewish and from Poland. "My father's whole family was wiped out by Hitler and his white nationalism," said Sanders, who is one of many Democratic presidential hopefuls in 2020. "Too many people have fought over the years, too many people have died against racism to let it resurface and flourish in America." Then he made his declaration. "We will go to war against white nationalism and racism in every aspect of our lives," he said.

"No one objects to a war against racists and white supremacists in and of itself. What is objectionable is fanning the flames of division and racial tension by broad-brushing every political opponent as racist, every problem of class as being racially motivated, etc."

Also, one could see Bernie proposing M4A for illegals as a way of "de-escalating the flames of division." One could also see what you are doing with regard to Bernie's statement as increasing "racial tension by broad-brushing every political opponent" as playing the race card against him.

"We don't even have Medicare for all, we're not yet equipped to pay for our own citizens, and yet Dem candidates would offer illegals free healthcare before their own constituents. BS! Let's take care of our own first. But sure - call anyone who takes those views a racist, and see how fast you make them an actual racist. It's basic psychology."

Bernie is for M4A for illegals, but I don't see him calling people who oppose that part of his plan "racists".

"The same problem occurs with class issues. Affirmative Action is a good concept, but do you think poor white kids growing up seeing education benefits get extended to others based on the color of their skin know or care about historic economic disparities? They don't, and being left behind breeds resentment. Some of our racists are our own creation. So we'll just attack them on top of abandoning them? Way to breed extremism."

Bernie is for free college for everyone.

The problem is using race as a wedge issue, drumming up resentment and division that weren't there, and pushing extremism rather than unifying people and helping all who need it equally. The problem is tribalism and the left taking stances like deplatforming rather than listening and seeking to deescalate and unify.

People marching with torches and chanting "Jews will mot replace us" or going so far as to plan to shoot up a synagogue are full of tribalism, real resentment and rage that no amount of "deplatforming" and "listening" is going to "deescalate and unify".

"The problem isn't that racism is bad."

Yeah, the problem is it is.

"When this crop of leftists is claiming everyone against essentially open borders is racist for instance,"

Show me where Bernie has done that.

This is what Bernie is talking about:

Video: California High-School Students Sang Nazi Song and Gave Hitler Salute

#30 Nope.

This is how Bernie describes white nationalism:

Sanders described his family background as being Jewish and from Poland. "My father's whole family was wiped out by Hitler and his white nationalism," said Sanders, who is one of many Democratic presidential hopefuls in 2020. "Too many people have fought over the years, too many people have died against racism to let it resurface and flourish in America." Then he made his declaration. "We will go to war against white nationalism and racism in every aspect of our lives," he said.

Why would anyone who is not a white supremacist object to his declaration of war against them?

IOW, Bill Maher is the Dennis Miller of the left!

Wisconsin dairy farmers' struggle featured on PBS NewsHour
July 16, 2019

In a PBS NewsHour story that aired Sunday, weekend anchor Hari Sreenivasa visited dairy farms in Clark County, Wisconsin, to tell the story of dairy farmers' fight for survival in their struggling industry. He began the piece noting that 2,700 dairy farms went out of business last year and that one-third of those farms were in Wisconsin.

Stephen Colbert @StephenAtHome

So long as we're accepting updates to the Statue of Liberty poem, I have one:

Give me your tired, your poor.

And in exchange, we will give you Ken Cuccinelli

"I don't see it. Every name associated with Epstein participating in the crimes was a D at that time. Every single one."

Not really:

Trump registered as a Republican in Manhattan in 1987 and since that time has changed his party affiliation five times. In 1999, Trump changed his party affiliation to the Independence Party of New York. In August 2001, Trump changed his party affiliation to Democratic. In September 2009, Trump changed his party affiliation back to the Republican Party. In December 2011, Trump changed to "no party affiliation" (independent). In April 2012, Trump again returned to the Republican Party.

"Epstein isn't a pedophile either, he's a creep or a pervert. But not a pedophile."

Someone better tell Trump and whoever else uses the term "pedophile island" in association with Epstein:

Donald J. Trump Retweeted

BNL NEWS @BreakingNLive

BREAKING: Documents were unsealed yesterday revealing that top Democrats, including Bill Clinton, took private trips to Jeffrey Epstein's "pedophilia island"

You have to put on your QAnon thinking cap:

andy lassner @andylassner (Executive Producer - @TheEllenShow & @NBCGameOfGames)

I just got off the phone with Q.

Was at car wash so bad connection, but here's what I think they said.

Don't quote me.

Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide on 8/10/19.

8 + 10 + 19 = 37

The name Bill Barr has 8 letters.

37 + 8 = 45

Donald Trump is the 45th President.

"I think the 2 most likely are, however, Epstein went after rich/powerful Dems because that is who he had more access to in Miami and NYC, not really picking a party but it was just easier access."

Miami? Epstein had a mansion in West Palm Beach a few miles from Mar-a-logo.

"Correct. I've pointed this out before. In fairness to Gal, "pedophile" is often misused. Michael Jackson was a pedophile. Roy Moore is not a pedophile. Moore is a sexual predator, but not a pedophile."

The reason I used the term with regard to Hastert is statements like this:

#95 I was using the term introduced and used by Ira repeatedly in this thread. Interesting that you decided to correct me but not him.

#64 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY
I don't believe you know what a pedophile is since you're misusing the term:
www.merriam-webster.com
Definition of pedophilia
: sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object
specifically : a psychiatric disorder in which an adult has sexual fantasies about or engages in sexual acts with a prepubescent child
Epstein isn't a pedophile either, he's a creep or a pervert. But not a pedophile.
#68 | Posted by SheepleSchism