2. HE PLANNED AND CARRIED OUT AN EXECUTION OF KIRK.
#298 | Posted by BellRinger

Unless the shooter was like the Butler shooter. See post #287. We really don't know.

"1. According to the 3rd party recollection, the shooter brought up Kirk at a family dinner and claimed that Kirk spews hatred"

According to the WaPo correction, it was the 3rd family member who said Kirk spewed hatred, not the shooter.

If the 3rd person accounting is true, then he did hate Kirk.
#290 | Posted by BellRinger

How do you figure that?

One can assume a shooter hated Kirk but that's not a given. The Butler shooter researched both Biden and Trump and seems to have chosen Trump because he was the one who was holding an outdoor event an hour away from his house.

We know very little about him at this point. We do know he absolutely hated Kirk.
#282 | Posted by BellRinger

Actually that's not true. See my above post.

OREM, Utah (AP) " A 22-year-old Utah man who was arrested and booked on murder charges in the assassination of Charlie Kirk held deep disdain for the conservative activist's provocative viewpoints and indicated to a family member that he was responsible for the shooting, authorities said Friday.
#245 | Posted by sitzkrieg

See link for WaPo's correction:

Tiffany
@tiffanyclay.dev

Oh, well it turns out that the shooter never actually said he thought Charlie Kirk was "full of hate." The person who reported the shooter to the police said that these were the views of a third person, w/ whom the caller & the shooter had discussed Kirk.

I'd heard the claim about leftists celebrating Kirk's death but hadn't heard the same about those the right until now:

Among the rightists, Kirk was the moderate option. "The bullet fired at Charlie Kirk may have killed the moderate right," reads a tweet from Antelope Hill Publishing, an independent publishing house whose titles include works by Joseph Goebbels and Jos Antonio Primo de Rivera. With Kirk killed, his longtime nemesis Nick Fuentes becomes the path forward. After years of sending his "Groyper army" to harass Kirk at TPUSA events for being a "Zionist shill" and "America last," Fuentes offered his condolences: "I feel absolutely gutted and devastated. Pray for Charlie Kirk's soul, his young family and for our country. The violence and hatred has to stop. Our country needs Christ now more than ever."

What's The 'Bella Ciao' Song, And Did Charlie Kirk's Shooter Have It On His Bullet Casings? The Song's Link To The 'Groyper War' Explained

I didn't see that anywhere...
That pretty much confirms he is a Groyper...
#262 | Posted by Sycophant

I don't know if he's a Groyper, but I do know that Fuentes turned on Trump over the Epestein files:

Neo-Nazi podcaster Fuentes calls MAGA a "scam" following Epstein "cover-up"

Maybe he left a manifesto.
#251 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

Preferably with a list of his college professors who MAGA say radicalized him.

If only he'd left us some clear signs of intent.
#249 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Maybe he left a manifesto. Many shooters do.

Trump last night at Yankee Stadium. Clearly devastated over Charlie Kirk's death ...

There isn't anything new in there.
#246 | Posted by Sycophant

Right now it's also just the family member's word on this.

OREM, Utah (AP) " A 22-year-old Utah man who was arrested and booked on murder charges in the assassination of Charlie Kirk held deep disdain for the conservative activist's provocative viewpoints and indicated to a family member that he was responsible for the shooting, authorities said Friday.

It would be interesting to know which of Kirk's viewpoints the shooter disdained and why he disdained them. He was raised in a conservative Mormon family, so which of Charlie's many view points did the shooter come to hate? Maybe there are online posts which will clarify this. Maybe some of his friends will weigh in.

*Lindbergh

Trump didn't create it. It's just a rebrand of the tea party movement with a more radical perspective because those idiots got hosed and fell for the same tricks again.
#217 | Posted by jpw

The original America first goes back to Charles Lindberg:

Stephen King Apologizes After Claiming Charlie Kirk "Advocated Stoning Gays To Death"

King's original claim refers back to comments made by Kirk in 2024, when attacking YouTuber Ms. Rachel for quoting "love your neighbor" to defend Pride celebrations.

Kirk said: "Ms. Rachel, you might wanna crack open that Bible of yours, in a lesser referenced part of the same part of scripture is in Leviticus 18 is that thou shall lay with another man, shall be stoned to death." He added: "Just sayin'."

Kirk appeared to be referring to Leviticus 18:22, which states: "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

Leviticus 20:13 adds: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

"Who created the America first movement? That would be Trump."

No, he didn't create it. He brought it back into vogue.

BTW, you'll never guess who Bebe thinks killed him:

Netanyahu Unveils Most Unhinged Theory Yet on Charlie Kirk Shooter

The Israeli prime minister decided it was high time he weigh in.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has offered his own unhinged theory as to who shot Charlie Kirk, asserting without any evidence that the Turning Point USA founder was killed by a team of "radical Islamists and ultra-progressives."

"This is a worldwide problem. The people on the extremes, the Islamists ... the radical Islamists and their union with the ultra-progressives, they often speak about human rights. They speak about free speech. But they use violence to try to take down their enemies," Netanyahu said on Fox News on Friday. "Whether it's President Trump, who's been almost assassinated twice, or they try to kill me here too. But they got Charlie Kirk, and it's just heartbreaking."

What box doesn't Kirk check to meet the purity test of Fuentes regarding White Nationalism?
not anti-semitic enough?
Posted by eberly

That would be one box. Kirk was very pro-Israel:

Israeli leaders heap praise on Charlie Kirk as a staunch ally of Israel

Benjamin Netanyahu and other officials pay tribute to the slain US right-wing influencer as a friend of Israel'.

Trump this morning on Fox and Friends:
"The radicals
Translation please, Trump apologists LOL
#145 | Posted by brass30

I thought it was weird that Trump even mentioned radicals on the right.

My first thought was he was trying to piss his dad off. Typical.
#189 | Posted by lee_the_agent

That crossed my mind too.

He appears to have been radicalized by the left. People who are considered "right wing" typically agree with Kirk's views on at least some, if not most, issues.
#150 | Posted by BellRinger

Maybe he was radicalized by his conservative Christian upbringing. He wouldn't be the first person to radical reversal on his upbringing.

Sorry the goyper thing doesn't play. It's desperation attempting to not make it what it is. Unless you can prove that Charlie was cucking him, it's political terrorism executing a right wing activist.
#143 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Okay, thanks for the feedback.