Once again I have to say... I would far prefer we have an open border that allows everybody and anybody into America than the current abomination that Trump and his MAGAt cultists have allowed ICE and law enforcement to become in regard to immigration. The notion of deporting people (including children) to nations, or even continents with which they have zero connection, no family/friends/support, no knowledge of the local language, culture or even most basic elements of daily life is Kafkaesque and a moral travesty. There is no action that more loudly proclaims the US government under Trump does not care if these immigrants live or die or are subjected mistreatment beyond imagination. What's next? Lining them up against a wall and shooting them?

Chuffy, you sound like an annoyed tv pundit who expects everyone to have an instant concrete opinion about every event or issue that arise. Usually it is prudent to observe how different nations and leaders react before instantly jumping to a conclusion about how a huge and complicated set of circumstances will play out over the short, middle and long term. Sorry. But that is what smart people normally do.

LauraMohr: For what it is worth, I do NOT support this action today. I am honestly trying to evaluate what has now actually happened and how it may play out. But in your eagerness to pigeon-hole everyone of either being with you or against you, you make entirely incorrect assumptions.

TH, you really are mastering the art of moving the goals posts and creating strawmen. The topic of this thread and my posts are specifically about the bombing of Iranian nuclear development facilities by the USA earlier today. You are eager to widen the field to tie America's actions today with the Israeli actions in the Gaza Strip. They are in fact two different events with two different targeted victims and two different goals. But you keep ------- that chicken.

And, for what it's worth, I have no interest or intention of tuning in to Trump's self congratulatory speech.

Also, if Iran does retaliate against the USA in coming days, I do believe that Khameini will be targeted by BOTH Israel and the USA.

Sorry TH. There was nothing "genocidal" about this targeted attack on Iran's underground nuclear facilities. You can repeat and insist that it was all you want until you are blue in the face, but that simply is not the truth.

Corky, I mostly agree with your comment in #127. Trump helped create this situation. But please, let us not fall into the trap of in any way downplaying or ignoring Iran's continuous deadly support of international terrorism, including the October 8 attack on Israeli civilians in Western Israel. That really would be a case of not seeing the forest for the trees.

JPW, there is no point arguing the facts as we currently know them to be with you. Whatever anybody says, you are going to believe what you want to believe. And the same can be said of BJohnson and Shrimpy. For once, try to take off the partisan lenses. They are causing you to misunderstand the far bigger, and imo, far more interesting consequences of this action. (Now you may resume insulting me as I know you will feel obligated to do.)

The last dictator to bomb Iran was Saddam Hussein. Shortly before then, he was gassing civilian Kurds.

Netanyahu is now bombing Iran. Shortly and concurrently with this he is/was murdering civilian Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.

Now, to complete the wanna-be dictator trifecta, Trump is bombing Iran. Just a short time ago he was deploying Marines to the streets of Los Angeles to persecute and intimidate people who do not support them.

Do we all see a pattern? Iran is the world's easiest target for wanna-be strong men to show how tough they are.

Truth be told, with it's continuous and ongoing support for international terrorist groups, Iran makes it easy to hate the theocratic regime there and become an instant "hero" by attacking it. Also, ironically, if somehow the USA and Israel do manage to force regime change in Iran, over the SHORT term the world will be a safer, more stable place. But that is like cutting off the head of a hydra. Quickly two more heads will grow to replace the one that has been cut off.

Also, regardless of your politics, it is clear that the US has attempted to target strictly military/nuclear facilities. This was not an attack on Iran's civilian population. I realize that in our liberal hatred of Trump we want to make it seem that this was some out of control maniacal attack. But in this instance that simply does not appear to be the case. It appears to have been a targeted, and so far at least, relatively well thought out attack on what seems to be as legitimate a group of targets as could have been chosen. We shall see.

If only marijuana had its own amendment, like guns ...