"Thanks Grandpa, we can all read wikipedia. "

Obviously you haven't.

A case could also be made that Ziminski is culpable for Huber's death and Grosskreuz's maiming.

Given the above description, why hasn't Ziminski been charged in Rosenbaum's death?

Rittenhouse testified that he received a call from Dominick Black telling him that the Car Source location at 63rd and Sheridan was being vandalized and that many vehicles had been set on fire and requesting him to go to that location and help put out fires. Rittenhouse then asked another person at the Ultimate Gas Station for a fire extinguisher and to accompany him to the Car Source location at 63rd and Sheridan. This person provided him a fire extinguisher but did not accompany him to the location.[75]

Rittenhouse testified that he then walked and ran towards the Car Source location at 63rd and Sheridan on his own, carrying his rifle, the fire extinguisher and some first aid supplies. As he approached the Car Source lot at 63rd and Sheridan he heard someone shout "Burn in hell!". He responded "Friendly! Friendly! Friendly!" to placate them but could not see who it was.[75]

Rittenhouse testified that when he reached the Car Source lot, he noticed a vehicle with flames in the back seat and approached the vehicle intending to put out the fire. He was then approached from near the vehicle by Joshua Ziminski, who was holding a pistol in his hand. Rittenhouse dropped the fire extinguisher, intending to run away. He then noticed Rosenbaum approaching him on his right, around the side of the vehicle, with a t-shirt wrapped around his face.

Rittenhouse testified that he then believed himself to be in danger and ran south-west across the lot, aiming for the safety of the Car Source lot buildings. Rosenbaum chased after him. Rittenhouse testified that he heard Ziminski shout to Rosenbaum "Get him and kill him!", and that he soon perceived his avenue of escape to be blocked by vehicles and a group of protesters, and that Rosenbaum was catching up to him.[75] Video footage showed Rittenhouse being pursued across a parking lot by a group of people.

Ziminski fired a shot into the air, and was later charged with disorderly conduct using a dangerous weapon.[81][34] After the shot was fired, Rittenhouse turned around, to see Rosenbaum now only a few feet away from him.[75] According to McGinniss, who was standing near Rittenhouse at the time, Rosenbaum then shouted "---- you!" and "lunged" at Rittenhouse and grabbed the barrel of his rifle.[6] Rittenhouse then fired four shots at Rosenbaum, killing him.

McGinniss, who had been standing fifteen feet away and felt one of the bullets whiz by his leg, checked himself before he began to administer first aid to Rosenbaum and told Rittenhouse to call 911.

Rittenhouse then ran down the street towards police vehicles[30] pursued by protesters.

"I believe Rittenhouse to be a loser and I wish there was a remedy for him to be punished criminally."

Being a loser isn't a crime. If it was, everyone on this site would be in jail.

From the above Wikipedia article:

Rittenhouse testified that he heard Ziminski shout to Rosenbaum "Get him and kill him!"

Ziminski fired a shot into the air, and was later charged with disorderly conduct using a dangerous weapon.[81][34] After the shot was fired, Rittenhouse turned around, to see Rosenbaum now only a few feet away from him.[75] According to McGinniss, who was standing near Rittenhouse at the time, Rosenbaum then shouted "---- you!" and "lunged" at Rittenhouse and grabbed the barrel of his rifle.

Another protester, Anthony Huber, struck Rittenhouse's left shoulder, neck and head with a skateboard as the pair struggled for control of the gun.[95][77][11][96] As Huber was pulling on the rifle, Rittenhouse fired once

Here are some things I did not previously know about Rosenbaum:

One of the trolls in this thread made request about a gaping hole. OK, here ya go...

"but it does not mean the person at issue is not a massive piece of ----."

Here is where you don't understand how the law works. Whether he was piece of ---- or a good choir boy are both irrelevant to whether or not he had a right to self-defense in that specific situation.

What ever happened to Brute Banner anyway? Did he end up back in prison? He never showed any remorse for his sexual abuse. Which suggests it was an intrinsic part of his character (or lack thereof).

I'm 100% certain that JPW likely touched his kids inappropriately. He fits the profile of a sexual abuser and often praises other sexual abusers.

The argument made in this thread that an imminent threat cannot exist unless and until physical contact is made is absurd on its face. It's hard to believe that the person making it doesn't know that. Then again, excessive alcohol use can cause brain damage.

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"It's hard to paint Rittenhouse as an aggressor, since he didn't actively threaten anyone to the best of my knowledge."

There argument seems to be he was a threat simply by existing.

"Trump bragged about doing that in beauty pageant dressing rooms. What's the problem?"

Exactly, why did anyone think that was a problem? Isn't the end goal to desegregate locker rooms?

We always joked about coed showers after gym class when I was in high school.

If you can dream it, you can do it.

"That example was used in response to the claim that a verbal threat to kill justifies shooting someone in the head and back."

Nobody ever made the claim that a verbal threat alone justifies shooting someone.

In the moment, Rittenhouse had two choices. He could either shoot his attacker, or he could allow the attacker to overpower him and take his gun, at which point it could have been used against him to follow through on the attacker's threat.

"Suffice it to say, you have not convinced me that Kyle Rittenhouse's first victim provoked a reasonable fear of great bodily harm. I've suffered more threatening acts on the subway and managed to come out unscathed."

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, that someone who compares a person of Rosenbaum's size and stature to a 5-year-old could not be convinced of what a reasonable person could be convinced of. Rosenbaum was just as innocent as a 5-year-old, huh?

It's just goes to show, when you grossly overcharge someone and it's blatantly obvious like it was in both of those cases, it shouldn't be surprising when the jury tells the prosecution to F off.

The testimony was very clear that Rosenbaum stated earlier he would "------- kill [him]" if he caught up with him. It was reasonable for Rittenhouse to believe he would follow through on that threat.

Wanting to see Kyle convicted of first degree murder implies you believed the people he shot were victims in the situation and nothing more.

I have no idea what was going through Rosenbaum's mind. We can only judge him by his behavior that night, which included being hyperaggressive towards numerous people and making death threats. It's absurd how you guys assume Rosenbaum had 0% responsibility for his own death, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

"Just to men who cannot control their sexual urges."

Like Rosenbaum.

#225

What is that even supposed to mean?

Never mind, I'll take it as a concession that you can't defend your argument or were illustrating how it was in fact analogous to what I pointed out.

#221

It's just another version of the "she was dressed provocatively" argument.