and no, it doesn't take nukes. We have the capability to reduce their infrastructure to nothing and trigger the biggest humanitarian and refugee crisis in written history. We can do to Iran what Russia wishes it could do to Ukraine. The only thing that checks it is political restraint.

#165 | Posted by sitzkrieg

And as I pointed out in #163, the consequences for us would be so terrible that even Trump had to pull back. They know we can't go through with it without destroying our own economy and the world's economy.

So the threat of End their Civilization is a very very empty threat.

That's why we have NO NEGOTIATING POWER.

We have ZERO ------- NEGOTIATING POWER right now.
#159 | Posted by Sycophant at 2026-04-07 09:22 PM | Reply | Flag
Zero. Zip. Zilch. Nada!
Minus those thousands of airstrikes and total ability to end their civilization without even bothering to use nukes.
#161 | Posted by sitzkrieg

They know DAMN WELL we can't do that or they'd end oil in the Middle East.

They can take out the desalination plants that places like Saudi Arabia get 80% of their water from. No water, no workers, no oil. 3-5 years to rebuild minimum.

They can take out the refineries, pipelines, storage facilities, etc. Again, no oil. 3-5 years again to rebuild minimum.

They can keep the straight closed like they have.

They can keep hitting Tel Aviv at will and their missiles are getting through now.

If they did these things or just a combination of a few: Oil prices would shoot up to $200 a barrel and the US would hit a major depression.

Bombing bridges and power plants wouldn't stop ANY of this.

So no. Now they KNOW Trump understands this, we have ZERO NEGOTIATION POWER.

...of course, the Dementia Don may forget by morning...

If this is the final agreement, we've lost.
#154 | Posted by Sycophant at 2026-04-07 07:50 PM | Reply | Flag:
It's not. It's a general framework for negotiations per Iran.
So Trump can.. make an Iran Deal...

#158 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Iran is saying Trump agreed to it...which he probably did and didn't at the same time because its Trump.

Here's the issue: How can the US say no? We lost. Iran won. We have ZERO ------- NEGOTIATING POWER right now.

Sometimes a Trump TACO is the best result we can hope for. Especially after Trump ------ up this entire situation by making threats he never had the political support to follow through on.

#12 | Posted by moder8

Except now the Iranians KNOW they won.

So the negotiation will be a nightmare and they will be in a MUCH better position than before the war. We're looking at likely the Strait requiring a toll.

But it's still WAY better than going through with the actual attack. The reprecussions from Iran are terrifying. Oil hitting $200 a barrel would have caused a global recession, possibly depression.

WHY does Iran have to open the Strait for a Ceasefire if:
1. We already won the war.
2. We wiped out their Navy, Air Force, Defences, Mine Layers, and we control the air.
3. We can simply escort ships through the Strait.

Oh...because all these things are Trump lies.

And now the Strait is PARTIALLY open with Iranians deciding who goes through AND they have time to resupply internally/with Russia.

Not happening.
#2 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT
I suspect this is just a story, a fable, a fabrication Trump has generated to save face.
He may as readily send a B-1 over Iran with a nuke if he wakes up tomorrow in a bad mood.
Our president is insane.

#3 | Posted by Zed

My understanding is Iran agreed to SOME travel through the Strait coordinated BY Iran only during the Ceasefire.

Iran is also claiming the US agreed to their ten point plan that included lifting sanctions and uranium enrichment.

If true, this is a war we lost. Iran came out ahead of where they were 2 months ago. They came out ahead of where they were under Obama even.

TACO

TACO

TACO

Iran has NOT agreed to open the Strait indefinitely. Just for the ceasefire.

Iran is also claiming the US agreed to its 10 point plan INCLUDING lifting sanctions and allowing enrichment.

If this is the final agreement, we've lost.

Not happening.

Oil prices for physical barrels have officially hit $150 per barrel as Europe and Asia are panic buying.

Is that what Trump is doing? Chickening out?
Or is he deliberately giving them repeated chances to back down before things escalate further?
This doesn't look like hesitation to me. It looks like applied pressure.
The problem is clerics whose authority depends on never backing down, regardless of who pays the price.

#17 | Posted by BillJohnson

Again, you're an idiot.

Iran holds all the cards.

Trump knows he can't invade because the loss of troop life would be catastrophic. We'd need well over a million troops to control the country. 4x the size of Iraq. Surrounded by mountains. 2x the population. And a military that is trained for asymmetric warfare.

Trump can only lob a few missiles.

IRAN can SHUT DOWN the Middle East anytime it wants. Take out a few desalination plants and no more water. Half these countries get 70-80% of their water from these plants. No more oil for 3-5 years. Take out some oil refineries, no more oil for 2-4 years. Iran can shut down the Strait of Hormuz again, no more oil or fertilizer. 20% of BOTH come through that Strait.

And you MAGA FIRED all the top generals who understood the situation.

So Trump either TACOs out or destroys the world economy and ours.

And idiots like YOU put him in charge.

It is interesting that the bridge was hit in 3 places.
Each end of the bridge and the very middle.
What was left alone was all the concrete columns that support the bridge. I am quite certain that was a precision strike.
It was decided to not totally destroy the bridge but just take it out of commission.
Just throwing that out there.
For some reason I thought it was interesting.

#13 | Posted by BillJohnson

Let me help you out because we all know you're a complete moron.

THE BRIDGE WILL NEED TO BE COMPLETELY REBUILT.

You can't just throw a top back on it. It's not how bridges, especially with concrete and metal, work.

For example before he was elected, I've criticized how he conducted business and apparently considered bankruptcies a business plan.
But I never saw that as a reason to hate him.

#13 | Posted by BillJohnson

Before he was elected
1. Pedophile
2. Racist
3. Rapist
4. Liar
5. Conman
6. the Narcissism
7. Generally an ------- to everyone
8. J6
9. Abortion ruling and treating women as incubators
10. Incompetence
11. National Debt
12. Tax Cuts for the rich and taking from the rest

Post Election:
13. See the above
14. The Brutality of ICE
15. The stupidity of Tariffs
16. The crackdown on Free Speech
17. Tax Cuts for the rich and taking from the rest...again....
18. the Iran War
19. Voting Lies and Jim Crow laws
20. Hiding the Epstein files

These aren't Republican vs Democrat Differences. These are Humanity vs Nazi Piece of ---- differences. I'm COMPETELY unsurprised you can't see the difference.

So the count now is:
1 Fighter Jet
1 A-10
5 helicopters
2 C-130s

Is that right?

And ALL after Trump said we destroyed their anti-air defence?

And how many did we lose to recover him?

MAGA = Pedophile

End of Story

"Replace radiologists with AI and double the price!"
-Venture Capitalists

"Great idea!"
-MAGA

Did we win yet?

No?

Did the B-52's bring down the cost of oil?

No?

Did the B-52's open the Strait of Hormuz?

No?

Guess those B-52's aren't accomplishing much.

Without the crusades, and the war in Spain against the Muslims, Jesus's word wouldn't be known today.
You'd all be Muslims.
#10 | Posted by oneironaut

Even 4th Graders know more history than OneIronPedophile.

JEFF!

You don't need to lick this one!

Trump hasn't actually used it!

I keep forgetting.

MAGA help me on this one.

Is this Biden's or Obama's fault?

"Just make more money."
-President Donald Trump

(No, seriously, that was his proposed solution.)

Given the shipping lanes are in international waters, isn't this piracy?

#2 | Posted by jpw

Nope.

The waters are part of Iran and Oman.

It's considered an international strait under UNCLOS.

Iran signed UNCLOS but never ratified.

Guess who never signed? That would be the US.

So the US has no claim to the Strait as an international strait.

Its wild you denigrate gold investors, then can't articulate beyond "Trump", why Gold went up relative to the dollar?

#26 | Posted by oneironaut

I'll take Pedo destroys economy so badly that people buy gold as the only "safe" place to keep their money for 500, Alex!

Of course OneIronPedo can't actually defend his favorite Pedo. He can only deflect and whine about lumpers.

Maybe if he stopped chasing underage girls and boys, he could try Googling a few things someday.

DiPloMacY iS BaD!

#6 | Posted by oneironaut

This Pedo supports a Pedo.

Of course he's fine with Russian criminals hanging out with Pedo Trump.

The idea is to get rid of terrorism, they don't want the terrorist getting out and committing more terrorism, like they do in the US.

#4 | Posted by oneironaut

Odd. I remember Trump pardoning J6ers and releasing 5,000 Taliban in Afghanistan.

Take Israel's balls out of your mouth.