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Honestly, both candidates should be asked to reflect on how they mentally arrive at making the decision to send Americans into harm's way, and how the wounding or loss of soldiers on their respective watches has affected them personally. What did they learn about themselves through their experiences that they didn't know beforehand.

And lastly, ask each of them to articulate their understandings and feelings about the sacrifices made by our soldiers and their families who defend this nation, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice.

The answers would be very illuminating about each individual, without a doubt.

She's picked up her game and now is trolling him to debate with open mics:

Well, Trump has indeed responded:

"This is a man who has called our fallen service members suckers" and losers' and disparaged Medal of Honor recipients," she wrote, referring to comments the former president made in 2018 about Americans killed in World War I and a remark he made this month.

"A man who, during a previous visit to the cemetery, reportedly said of fallen service members, I don't get it. What was in it for them?' This is a man who is unable to comprehend anything other than service to himself," Harris went on.

"If there is one thing on which we as Americans can all agree, it is that our veterans, military families, and service members should be honored, never disparaged, and treated with nothing less than our highest respect and gratitude," Harris wrote.

"And it is my belief that someone who cannot meet this simple, sacred duty should never again stand behind the seal of the President of the United States of America."

If Trump thought that this controversy would die a quiet death, he's quite mistaken. Due to his inability NOT to respond to criticism, he'll again place his own self-serving explanation of events against what those tethered to reality know and viscerally understand actually happened - and how his staff maligned and lied about the conduct of a federal employee doing her job trying to protect the sanctity of Section 60.

Trump and his team continue to commit own goals while telling everyone else it's simply a part of their winning strategy. Brilliant!

Excuse me. The Seal's name was William "Ryan" Owens, and his father is Bill Owens as I miswrote above.

No disrespect intended.

Let me re-highlight something Trump said regarding his role in Navy Seal Bill Owens' death:

"My generals are the most respected that we've had in many decades, I believe, and they lost Ryan ... saying that the buck stops "before I got here."

Every President has openly adopted the ethos behind Harry Truman's time-honored desk plate - The Buck Stops Here - except for one. Trump has abdicated any right to criticize what another President had happen under their orders after his own Profiles in Anti-Courage deflection of the blame that completely lies with him and him alone - as it does with all U.S. Presidents, past and present.

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You have to post the actual copy for Trumpers because they never link to anything that disabuses them of the groupthink narrative.

FTA:

Either way Harris/Biden were too inept to improvise when things went ---- up

Spoken like a true ignoramus. Once Trump had moved US military out of Afghanistan and given up bases and resources, just how could Biden improvise the manpower needed for proper security? There was no way for the US to reintroduce a couple thousand troops back into Afghanistan after the infrastructure to do so was gone due to Trump's orders.

What you're claiming is akin to saying "Why didn't Biden stick the pin back into the grenade before it went off?"

The answer is Trump handed the pin to the Taliban when he forced the release of 5000 prisoners who swelled the ranks of Taliban fighters who overran the Afghan government in record speed. Short of recommitting to US soldiers fighting and dying for another decade, just what tangible action would you have recommended Biden do?

Give us your solution Nostradumbass.

Harris/Biden were powerless against Trump.

Funny how Visitor doesn't link Mike Pence to anything that happened when he was VP, but all of a sudden, EVERY DECISION that President Biden made is now the fault of VP Harris.

That dog simply doesn't hunt. VPs work FOR the President, not for their own political futures. Everyone with 2 functioning brain cells understands that. VPs are literal Tammy Wynettes - they all Stand By (Their) Man come hell or high water. VPs have no constitutional power outside of presiding over the Senate and casting tie-breaking votes when necessary.

And Pence stands as the perfect sycophantic example. He does few of the deviant things that Trump does, and no one tries to tie him personally to anything Trump said out of abject ignorance or stupidity.

Gaslight all you want. Trump's own NSA Gen. McMaster blames him for what happened in Afghanistan during the chaotic withdrawal.

Because he had no choice?

Yep. Trump signed the withdrawal agreement with the Taliban, not Joe Biden. Troop decided not to listen to his generals that wanted 4000 troops to remain until withdrawal by giving orders that only 2500 would be left in country. And he did all these things AFTER Biden defeated him on November 3rd.

Again, read some factual history that isn't spun to hide Trump's ultimate responsibility for creating the conditions present when Biden followed the agreement Trump negotiated himself.

It shows how badly Harris/Biden's disastrous cut and run in Afghanistan hurts them by how fervently supporters and the media try to ignore and deflect from it.

You are one depraved individual. But you keep on being you. Pick up a history book sometime and look at what happened during our Vietnam bugout in Saigon. Frankly, it makes Afghanistan look almost orderly.

Let's all forget the dead soldiers and the blood on Harris/Biden's hands. Buh Trump makes Harris look bad.

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Are you trying to retire with the lifetime prize for moronic irony? Don't you dimbulbs realize that every single person in ANC who was KIA died under someone's presidency? There are 400,000 bodies buried at ANC, but Trumpers only think that those who died due to a suicide bombing under Joe Biden's watch have any grievance?

This is why no one mentions the obvious - ANC is about honoring the dead, not blaming those whose orders placed them there. Every soldier's premature death is a tragedy for those who loved them, no exceptions.

If what Trump's doing was the norm, Ronald Reagan would have been dragged for eternity over his lapse in protecting the 241 who died in the Marine barracks in Lebanon in 1983. Americans normally don't criticize CIC's for the actions of our enemies - except for one glaring exception - the draft dodging, troop besmirching coward known as Donald J. Trump, who not only refused to answer the call when his country came asking, he used his family's wealth to insure some other person's child would have to take his place defending America's interests.

Recent days have seen Trump spiraling. In a single 24-hour period, he used his social media platform to spread a crass joke about Harris performing a sex act; suggested without evidence that she and President Joe Biden were partially responsible for the assassination attempt upon him; promoted a QAnon slogan; and sent out fake images of Harris and a host of other leading Democratic figures in orange prison uniforms.

Harris's team has, wisely, declined to comment on his antics. As one campaign official put it to me: "Why would we step in this man's way?"

Want to know what's the absolute worst thing about Trump's continuing trashing of America's military heroes?

He doesn't have a conscious clue as to why he's being criticized, nor can he viscerally comprehend why Americans hold those who've made the "ultimate sacrifice" in such high regard. Both inabilities are rooted in his clinical narcissism and sociopathic myopia - where he's incapable of any analysis that doesn't start through the prism of his needs wants and desires, first and foremost.

IMO, Kamala Harris and Tim Walz has thrown Trump for such a loop that all his pathological tendencies are colliding at once in a way they never have before. The one thing that many on the right cannot countenance is trying to serve two masters at the same time. Now that Trump is showing weakness towards his anti-abortion supporters by trying to play footsie with the majority of women who think a 6-week ban is simply too draconian and controlling, his continued trashing of military service and its heritage, traditions, and honors respecting our fallen and injured warriors has to be damaging his brand in ways political opponents haven't been able to so far.

Trump is clearly positioning himself as not only an unfit POTUS candidate, he's rubbing both supporters' and detractors' faces in his abject ignorance and glaring lack of common humanity, making this election not one driven by policy, but instead turning it into a referendum on his undeniably flawed character and his total lack of respect for America and Americans outside of how he can use both to serve his greedy egocentrism.

Wait 5 minutes and he'll reverse his position on abortion now

Already done. Donald received a personal call from one of the head pro-life evangelical Xtian group's leaders telling him that he needs to clarify his position on abortion lest he lose the support of this group's members who're now questioning his bonafides. They told him straight up, if you're pro-choice, we aren't knocking on doors for you. So confirms the genesis of his comments today, but speculation is still running rampant that evangelicals are finally realizing that Trump isn't wedded to a complete abortion ban, which is what they want. And that his other antics are the antithesis of being Christ-like.

And even as he avowed to vote against the Florida abortion referendum, he still said that 6 weeks is too early along to completely ban elective abortions. This is not what evangelicals want to hear. IMO, Trump's mouth has finally got his ample rear in trouble with his base, and it may cost him in states not yet even on the radar. Evangelicals are not going to vote for Harris no matter what. But if they sour on Trump, they simply won't cast a presidential vote at all, which obviously would be a boon to Harris all across the country.

#22

That's the one day story I was referring to. I can't find a single story about them dated later than a month ago.

They missed one day because the network actually misled them, and that was it.

I don't know why AZ Central is blocked but I just read their report about why Joe and Mika haven't been on the air recently.

I cannot find anything on Google regarding them actually leaving MSNBC or being asked to leave. They were upset about getting bigfooted during the Trump shooting coverage, but that was a one day story, not a prediction.

They were on both the week of the DNC and the week afterwards, then off this week. There are individual days when one or the other might not be on, but for the most part I haven't noticed any changes since Biden dropped out at the end of July.

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The interview I saw had a cackling empty pantsuit and a white guy that gave off a John Wayne Gacy vibe.

You've just proven why the Republicans each of them have trounced during their respective senatorial and gubernatorial elections found themselves on the losing end. Americans by and large saw intelligence, thoughtfulness, and normal in comparison to Trump's endless Tourette's-like manic, incoherent meanderings, devoid of content, context, and any semblance of deeper thought and understanding.

Your perceptions are just like Trump's Depends - full of waste and stinking to high heaven.

He and Mia are still missing. There's no word yet if NBC took him up on his offer.

C'mon Twin, that's not correct. I've watched Joe and Mika every week since Biden dropped out except this one because they're on vacation, as is Willie Geist.

Morning Joe is the highest rated morning show on cable and Joe the highest paid morning host (along with Mika, whom they demanded be paid equally).

what failed paradigm?

Trickle down economics. Cutting taxes for the wealthy does NOT increase tax revenues, nor does the increased revenue received by the wealthy reach the lower rungs of society - which is the crux of the trickle down argument in the first place.

Every single time the GOP has cut taxes at the top end our deficits/debt has increased and no corresponding increase in income has been realized by the working class.

Now Don the Con is obliviously claiming that he's the victim in this controversy:

It started when the former president attacked Vice President Kamala Harris' running mate, Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, who has used the word the describe Trump, running mate Sen. JD Vance (R-Ohio) and others on the right.

"He is weird," Trump said. "He's weird, I'm not weird, he's weird. No, he's a weird guy, he's a weird dude."

Trump continued: "See, they come up with sound bites, they always have sound bites, and one of the things is that JD and I are weird. That guy is so straight, JD is so, he's doing a great job, smart, top student, great guy, and he's not weird and I'm not weird. I mean we're a lot of things but we're not weird I will tell you, but that guy is weird."

Walz has said he uses weird to describe Trump, Vance and others on the right to take away the fear that helps give them power.

"The fascists depend on fear," he said in July. "But we're not afraid of weird people. We're a little bit creeped out, but we're not afraid."

As Anand Giridharadas remarked this morning on tv, it's ironic that Donald Trump is now talking about IVF because it's also an anagram of Trump's current vibe: I'm Very Frightened. For the first time in Trump's foray into politics, he's found opponents that not only don't fear him, they largely ignore him when he staggers from one personal attack to the next, unable to find any traction for his threadbare worn-out shtick.

So weird, eh?

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Whoops! Thank you.