And again, 2 babies are born and assigned female at birth

One develops a cis identity the other a trans identity.

They grow to age 10, both seek hormone therapy to delay puberty.

The cis girl can get it, the trans boy cannot.

That is discrimination pure and simple.

The courts should have ZERO involvement in this medical situation.

And to be clear what the SC is deciding is whether a doctor can provide therapy and medically necessary interventions to trans youths.

Only scum like jeff think that means forcing 10 years olds to get the ----- cut off cause Billy feels like a girl for a week.

It means providing a child with the loving support to affirm the gender identity that they feel.

That support starts with therapy and simple things like NOT shaming them for expressing themselves or calling them by preferred names and pronouns

THAT is what is at stake

Jeff, being a hateful bigot lies and says doctors are conspiring with insane liberal parents to cut the ---- off of 12-year-old girls who act like tomboys

Define transitioned?

I think I made my position pretty clear, even a dolt like you should be able to understand.

You need to create a strawman to attack.

But that isn't reality, it is the fevered dreams of a hateful bigot.

For the record I posted this thread for the sole purpose of mocking the magat scum for their choices

Less than a month the union magat scum found out the hard way that their choice bit them on the ass

They chose a well known scam artist, union busting, anti-labor -------- for their vote instead of a president who saved union pensions and actually walked the picket line

I find this HILARIOUS!!!!!

You ------- magat scum voted to destroy this country and he is starting with YOU!

LOLOLOL

I cannot laugh hard enough that you magat scum are facing the consequences of your actions.

Reality does not arrive lubed.

Point and laugh at the magat scum, they'll probably be on the unemployment line cause of their votes.

TOO ------- FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you're going to strip the essence of my post you should change the thread from my name to retort

I suppose many parents do, now that I think about it.

should be

I suppose many parents don't, now that I think about it.

In fact I would argue that most parents do practice GAC in their own small way without realizing it, if their young child acts in non-normative ways from their gender assigned at birth.

Like say their 2 year old boy comes to them wearing their mom's high heels, they don't yell at them to stop acting like a girl.

Or when a 2 year boy acts nurturing to siblings or expresses an interest in cooking or cleaning they quietly support them.

Or when their young daughters prefer to roll around in the mud and are determined to not wear pink, they don't shame them or make them feel guilty.

I suppose many parents do, now that I think about it.

But being a nurturing parent in those situations IS GAC.

Probably 99 or 98 times out of a 100 the child outgrows that interest and can express their identity more directly and they were none the worse the wear.

And 1 or 2 out of a hundred are actually trans and will develop in a more healthy environment knowing they are accepted for who they are.

I really wonder about people who hate people so much.

An ACLU trans lawyer claims 2 year olds know they are trans.

This is insanity.

#21 | Posted by BellRinger

You've never encountered a toddler that does not prefer to play or dress in the normative manner as their gender assigned at birth?

i.e. you've never heard of young boys who prefer to play with dolls or wear high heels and young girls who prefer smashing things or hate dresses?

The point being is that it is better to allow the children to express their identities as they see fit then to deny them the expression of who they are.

Many, if not most, of those young children expressing non-normative behavior are not trans and will not be forced to transition and will benefit from not being stigmatized for not expressing themselves in cis normative ways.

Those who truly are trans will be able to grow up in a healthy environment.

I truly wonder why you think that is insane.

Oh wait, now I remember.

Alito: is trans status is immutable?

If gender status is immutable then one cannot be trans.
If gender status is not immutable then it is not a protected status.

What an interesting line of thinking.

#26 | Posted by oneironaut

Sounds like Alito is setting up getting rid of protections against discrimination against women

Point and laugh at the pathetic magat scum

Magat ------- scum

While I do believe in Trans rights, I really struggle with allowing children to make these decisions. The reason being they don't KNOW what they are doing and don't have the ability to make an informed decision. If they had that ability we would consider them adults.

On the other hand the only time the GOP wants to consider them adults is when there is a crime...

#6 | Posted by GalaxiePet

Yeah, but you see, gender affirming care is not a kid comes in and says I think I am another gender, ok, lets chop off his private parts.

It does not work that way.

When done appropriately (and I am not arguing there aren't occurrences of unethical behavior not adequately treating the child), gender affirming care is a long PROCESS.

GAC may be something as simple as affirming the trans child's gender identity with a new name or through dress.

GAC can be done solely in a safe place like in the home.

GAC encompasses a wide range of therapies, consultations with a variety of medical professionals, issues, dress, language, names, and yes eventually medication and occasionally surgery

GAC can and should and does include professional therapists to parse body dysmorphia issues from transgenderism.

GAC can and should and does allow children to explore their gender identity and be allowed to say you know what I am not trans I am gay or something similar.

GAC can and should and is a process that safely allows the child to explore his or her or their identity in a safe, nurturing, loving, non-judgmental and open-minded environment.

It is simply not a thing that gender affirming surgeries are being performed willy-nilly except in those cases (if any) where the medical professional is acting unethically and likely illegally.

And it must be clear that trans people only want to live their lives, they are NOT interested in indoctrinating or brainwashing your kids.

People can start by considering trans people as human beings deserving of respect.

wow damn Laura! with the receipts!!!!!!!!!

10 seconds of reading this piece of ---- brought me the following observation:

Quote from pos:

"Each step moved the Bureau further away from the mission of developing evidence for court and more in the direction of gathering information for its own sake, while pursuing extrajudicial remedies to "contain" or "disrupt" undesirable "conduct." "

Wow, that sounds pretty darn bad, like damning, right.

BUT

What the quoted words are from is the following:

An email to field offices regarding counterterrorism (presumably directed at an ISIS like organization given the timeframe-subject IS redacted).

"4. Does the FBI have a strategy to disrupt any plans to commit acts of violence or other criminal conduct associated with the subject and terrorist organization?"

The author seemingly has a problem with the FBI attempting to disrupt terrorist violence in America, you know through investigations and arrests-that sort of thing.

Why did the author feel the need to completely misrepresent the intention of the FBI's statement?

aweeee look at the racist, point and laugh people the racist is showing his spots

The federalist society had a meeting recently where they discussed their goals and accomplishments. They were especially proud of the SC cases beginning the process of dismantling the administrative state.

Their stated goal was to return America to 1935.

Why 1935 you say?

Because 1935 was when FDR began his transformation of our country into the liberal democracy we know now. Things like the Social Security Act and the Wagner Act (establishing the National Labor Relations Bureau) and the Banking Act of 1935 (completing the effort to make the Fed independent).

Their stated goal is to destroy all of the underpinnings of the social safety net and protections for the lower and middle class and return us to the Gilded Age.

These are people that sincerely believe that there are 2 types of people, rulers (including the wealthy-but only white Christians) and the rest of us-to be ruled.

These are people cheering and actively pursuing the destruction of the most popular programs in America-Social Security and Medicare. These people believe they are better than you and have pursued the means to establish permanent power over you.

This is not hyperbole; this is their stated aim.

And we have elected the perfect tool for them to achieve this end.
They have a Supreme Court just waiting for the court cases to lock their aims into immutable law.
And that Supreme Court will rule us for the next 40 to 50 years (minimum).

Congrats Magat Scum, you won.

Simple fact is ------- can do anything he likes Supreme Court said so

"Really," he said. "I don't really wash my hands ever."

Not washing your hands after -------- is a very maga thing and should disqualify him from holding office.

Magat scum gotta scum though, amiright

Look at jeff justifying everything that this fascist regime says or does.

Not recognizing the danger and stupidity of making threats like this, like terrorists give 2 ----- about some military strike, like no one will ever call his bluff, like escalation isn't a thing.

Also consider that ------- is both a coward AND a bully. The bully in him wants to use the US military to blow ---- up, he is just too much of a coward to follow through-the end point of having zero morals or core beliefs. But his ego may get his mouth to cash a check the rest of the world will have to pay.

Well done magat scum this is what you voted for

"Is it okay for the FBI to unlawfully obtain a FISA surveillance warrant?"

Being this is jeff, we need to fact check everything.
Do you have a legitimate source for this claim? there were 4 btw and 2 were later deemed invalid.

As far as I can see only a magat hack claims any were obtained unlawfully

" BTW ------- replacing Christopher Wray is a huge constitutional issue. Following Watergate many measures were taken to make them independent of the WH"

I don't think it is. The 10-year term was established in 1976 as a term limit after 36 years of Hoover running the FBI.

It's part of the Executive branch and the FBi director serves at the pleasure of the duly elected president.

#131 | Posted by BellRinger

Is there absolutely ANYTHING you won't defend from this fascist regime?

Let me answer that, no.

The DoJ SHOULD be and was meant to be (post Watergate) to be independent from the WH BECAUSE it is supposed to investigate crimes in the WH.

Firing Wray for no ------- reason is the epitome of stepping on that separation.

Even a blind morally bankrupt ------- idiot like you should recognize that. but you're a ------- corrupt piece of ----. so there you have it.

BTW ------- replacing Christopher Wray is a huge constitutional issue. Following Watergate many measures were taken to make them independent of the WH.

------- firing the guy HE put in there to put a political hack in there is a huge constitutional issue.

So, apparently, this Patel guy was an undersecretary for counterterrorism in the 1st ------- administration.

We were sending in our navy seals to rescue a hostage in Niger.

When the seals were in the air, Patel was asked if we had approval from Niger to enter their airspace, he said yes (it was his job to find out).

Just before the seals were to cross the border, the NSA got wind that we didn't have authorization. Patel out and out lied.

When called on it, he basically said WGAF no one died.

This is the guy ------- is putting in charge of the FBI

He was found to have participated in An insurrection. Something the SC did not refute

Hey Jeff

---- u magat ----