Tuesday, September 17, 2024

Yes, Trump Started the Fire. and Everyone Knows It.

Josh Marshall: He and his partisans now claim that Joe Biden's or Kamala Harris' rhetoric is inciting violence against him. But it's an argument that simply collapses under the weight of its own ridiculousness. The man is talking about himself. Donald Trump is simply himself a source of unrest and conflagration. He's a vortex of violence. His rhetoric is violent. He was the one who incited a violent mob to storm the U.S. Capitol.

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When a young man took a shot at Donald Trump in July it was the first time political assassination, attempted or otherwise, had intruded into presidential politics in more than 40 years. Now it appears to have happened a second time in two months. What's going on here?

Republicans are now predictably demanding that Democrats in essence stop campaigning against Trump because they're inciting their supporters to try to assassinate Trump. That's absurd. Neither of these men is in any sense a supporter of Democrats or even of more marginal groups that could in any sense be identified with "the left."

But we shouldn't run too deep into the rabbit holes of Trump's supporters' logic. As his supporters like to put it, he likes to "stir the pot." And he does. Attention, in his vision, is the only real currency in business or politics or media. So he keeps upping the ante and pushing new limits to get it, like a heroin addict he has to keep upping the dose to get the same fix.

Trump's supporters ask rhetorically, if it's not Biden and Harris who are doing it, are you really saying that Trump is inciting people against himself? The answer is actually yes. He's now twice almost been consumed by the fires he himself is lighting.

And even further, Trump and Vance together - along with this latest targeting attempt - have managed to eliminate from the news cycle the worst night of Trump's entire presidential career when Kamala Harris eviscerated and emasculated him during last Tuesday's debate.

Ah yes, last week's debate. In the firehose world of Trump newsmaking, 7 days ago now feels like an eternity. The time Kamala took over the head of the Democratic ticket around 50 days ago now feels like something that happened in the Spring or late Winter. But make no mistake, Trump will always do or say whatever he needs to to escape from whatever his latest controversy happens to be as he sprints right toward his next outrageous utterance or insinuation. It's always about him, and never about the American people.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-17 10:18 AM

Fmr Pres Trump accusing Democrats of inciting violence is just another in the long series of Republicans accusing others of what they have been doing and, in some cases, Republicans have faced Justice for what they have done.

#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-09-17 12:31 PM

Fall Out Boy - We Didn't Start the Fire (2023)
www.youtube.com

The video has lyrics.

#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-09-17 08:42 PM

Obligatory:

www.youtube.com

stereo version

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2024-09-17 08:48 PM

@#4

I have the vinyl of that album.

The lead-in to the song (usually omitted) is good.

But, regardless, cool tune.



#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-09-17 08:55 PM

over 33 bomb threats in springfield, ohio according to dewine.

trump belongs in jail.

#6 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-09-17 08:55 PM

@#6 ... over 33 bomb threats in springfield, ohio according to dewine. ...

Overseas threats hit the Ohio city where Trump and Vance lied ...
apnews.com

... Ohio stationed state police at Springfield schools Tuesday in response to a rash of bomb threats " the vast majority that officials said came from overseas "- after former President Donald Trump and his running mate, Ohio Sen. JD Vance falsely said ...

Schools, government buildings and elected officials' homes in Springfield were among the targets of more than 30 hoax threats made last week that forced evacuations and closures. Two more schools had to be evacuated on Monday, and the high school was threatened on Tuesday. Republican Gov. Mike DeWine said a foreign actor was largely responsible, but he declined to name the country.

Even with dozens of Ohio State Highway Patrol officers fanning out to protect the Springfield City School District's 18 schools, many parents opted to keep their children at home. At one elementary school, some 200 students were absent Tuesday out of a population of 500.

"There's still a high level of fear due to these unfounded threats and hoaxes that have marred our existence really for going on a week now," said Robert Hill, chief executive office of the Springfield City School District, appearing at a news conference with DeWine. ...


#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-09-17 09:16 PM

Josh Marshall is, as usual, right on here. Speak the language of madness, and you shall soon find madness being visited upon you.

#8 | Posted by cbob at 2024-09-17 09:25 PM

"the vast majority that officials said came from overseas"

Why is it assumed MAGAts don't know how to spoof?

#9 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-09-17 09:26 PM

@#9 ... Why is it assumed MAGAts don't know how to spoof? ...

Yeah, my first thought on that comment was along those lines.

Nowadays, VPNs make it so easy to appear in a country that you do not reside in (mostly, apparently, to get around NetFlix restrictions of who can view what).


But yeah.

I agree.

#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-09-17 09:30 PM

What Dems are being blamed for is... quoting the Republican candidates.

And then other Republicans shoot at them... well, one did.

#11 | Posted by Corky at 2024-09-17 10:27 PM

@#11 ... What Dems are being blamed for is... quoting the Republican candidates. ...

The Democrats were not just quoting, but also commenting upon how wrong the Republicans' proffering those quotes may be.



#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-09-17 11:00 PM

Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

#13 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-09-18 03:05 AM

Wasn't the first guy a Republican and the 2nd guy a disgruntled Trump supporter?
Just saying...

#14 | Posted by Sezu at 2024-09-18 08:01 AM

Traitor Trump is what we used to call a "domestic terrorist". Full stop.

#15 | Posted by NOTGOINGBACK at 2024-09-18 08:10 AM

This article.
ONE party and one party only has been threatening violence non-stop since 2020. It is disingenuous to now say either "both sides do it," or more ludicrous, to blame Harris or Biden.

#16 | Posted by e1g1 at 2024-09-18 03:05 PM

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