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Wednesday, July 30, 2025

Investigators have found the Army helicopter involved in a deadly mid-air collision over Washington DC was receiving faulty altitude data, causing it to fly higher than intended. The findings, revealed during a National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) hearing, indicate that the helicopter's altimeters - devices that tell pilots how high off the ground they are - showed discrepancies ranging from 80ft (24.4m) to 130ft.

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Investigators said the flight data recorder suggested that Black Hawk's barometric altimeters, that measure height, showed the pilot that the aircraft was flying 80 to 130ft lower than its actual altitude. "There is a possibility that what the crew saw was very different than what the true altitude was," NTSB Chairwoman Homendy said. Army officials at the hearing said that discrepancies of up to 100ft were not a cause for alarm in the helicopter because pilots are expected to maintain their altitude plus or minus 100 ft.

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I would expect an aircraft operator would be able to tell their altitude from their eyeballs, not relying on instruments.

#1 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-07-31 11:53 AM | Reply


I would expect an aircraft operator would be able to tell their altitude from their eyeballs, not relying on instruments.
#1 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Depends upon the altitude and the tolerance you want. I can tell ~1000ft +-50ft. Using outside plane references and their distance from the aircraft.

BUT ...

As the passenger jet approached the airport, inside the helicopter the instructor was asking the pilot to descend.

"You're at three hundred feet, come down for me," the transcript from the cockpit voice recorder, also known as a black box, says.
"Alright kinda come left for me ma'am, I think that's why he's asking ... We're kinda ... out towards the middle."
www.cnn.com

Too high, too far right (middle of river).

Don't blame the altimeter.

#2 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-07-31 12:24 PM | Reply

I can tell ~1000ft +-50ft.

At night, over water, wearing night vision gear?

#3 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-07-31 12:59 PM | Reply

Yeah, I agree that's part of what went wrong here. All wired in to all those electronic systems has the effect of putting the pilot into a Plato's Cave.

Trusting failed instruments is a fairly common "pilot error" scenario.

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-07-31 01:04 PM | Reply

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