-Oh no I think it's very informative to have these discussions.

With anybody here except you.

-What's your answer to #176, where America elected a President on mandate of health care reform.

Listen closely ... ... ... ... ..GFY

-That's your party. You built that.

Actually it's YOUR healthcare system.

Enjoy

-It barely got enough votes to pass as it was.

Exactly.

-I think it's a retarded question that shows how much you Republicans hate America.

Gotcha. We can stop talking about it.

-Should Democrats have not allowed the Republicans to participate in the legislative process, since they had the votes?

That's my question.

I think it's a fair question.

maybe the answer is contained inside the $1 BILLION+ in lobbying. One party had the control....where do you think that money was going?

-It's absolutely amazing how we Democrats been talking about health care on this site for over fifteen years

So the ---- what?

It's gotten you absolutely nowhere.

The only thing better was single payer and the democrats wouldn't do it. Not then....not now.

JFC, did anybody even try to introduce single payer? Don't give the "republicans would have killed it" excuse. We have a lot of good thing that the GOP opposed.

The democrats plagerized a republican idea rather than write their own. They let the republicans sit at the table and participate and then got royally screwed over by the GOP after that......not seeing any of it coming.

But you've been talking about it. Good for you, Mr. Helpy Helperstein.

The democrats hate you more than the republicans.

"Democrats on this committee adopted around 160 Republican amendments into the bill. The Senate Finance Committee also held 17 bipartisan sessions with Republican senators."

all in exchange for no support.

"70 Republican-led attempts to repeal, modify or otherwise curb the Affordable Care Act"

I was gonna save that for dessert.

So...they were allowed to add 160 amendments and in exchange, the democrats received ZERO votes and a commitment to kill the entire bill over the next 7 years.

-They changed their minds at the last minute when told to by their leaders

So the democrats admit they were working with the GOP all the way up to the vote allowing their input when they didn't need it.

And then SHOCKER......none of them voted for it?

So offering no votes in favor......they managed to get 160 (some very very very very bad....) amendments to a bill they had zero leverage to get added?

zero leverage...and still got what they wanted in the bill.

-Republicans refused to work with Democrats at all on Obamacare.

just a few posts above it was stated the republican added 160 amendments working with the democrats.

They did work with them......right up to the point where they didn't vote for it.

-They could not allow the Obama Administration to be successful in ANYTHING.

You're not getting it.......I asked what prevented the democrats with coming up with something better.

I didn't ask why the GOP wouldn't support it.

-A bad plan so full of corruption even the Republicans refused to back it.

That was pure partisan politics. It wasn't about the objection to the corruption.

Also.......I don't know much about the rules and nuance of how bills are passed but how did the republicans manage to get the democrats to attach all these amendments? What leverage did they have to get that done?

They didn't need any of their votes to pass it so why the need to invite them to the table and let them destroy the bill?

The GOPs intent was to not support the bill regardless so why did the democrats allow their amendments?

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You're saying the republicans stopped the democrats from even coming up with something better?

The GOP controls the thoughts of the democrats?

As I pointed out earlier on another thread....

More than $1.1 billion was spent on lobbying the initial version of the bill in 2009, according to an OpenSecrets report. In the lead-up to the bill's passage, there were more than 1,500 individual clients"including defense contractors, labor unions, ideological organizations and corporations"contracted with lobbyists to influence the bill's ultimate design.

The healthcare industry spent more than $270 million on lobbying in 2009, which exceeded its own spending record up to that point. On average, the pharmaceutical industry spent a stunning $1.2 million on lobbying each day Congress convened during the first three months of 2009.

Industry giants including the Pharmaceutical Researchers and Manufacturers of America, the American Medical Association and the Partnership for America's Healthcare Future all supported the ACA, but pushed lawmakers to pass the legislation on their terms.

The groups argued that establishing a government-run insurance provider " often referred to as a "public option" " or giving the government the power to negotiate drug prices would hurt private insurers, hospitals and drug makers. The industry's massive lobbying investment paid off: The version of the bill that ultimately passed in 2010 did not include a framework for publicly-provisioned insurance.

The ACA passed without support from a single Republican. Conservatives argued the legislation would undermine free market principles and raise taxes on the rich, and the GOP's opposition to Obamacare didn't dissipate after the bill became law.

www.opensecrets.org

-What's racist about rooting out and prosecuting fraud?

Law enforcement has been accused of racism since at least the 60s for targeting minorities.

The question you just asked has no answer except to repeat the same accusation.

It has been decided that enforcing the law is....racist.

Look at our prisons.

One way in which the report is counterproductive is announcing its existence and then openly ditch it.

-Are you not using the term "---" anymore?

this is never not funny....

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That's what I would think and I can't imagine a real plan staying under the radar.

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If it moves anywhere near that point, that's what I would expect would happen. A settlement

-Is the military's budget going to take the hit when companies like Costco and others start winning lawsuits that require the government to reimburse them?

You think those companies will win a lawsuit in court?

-Jeff is just trolling because his wife won't ---- him.

He should call Yav, who specializes in ------- married men.

"do you believe Republicans have ANY responsibility to address health insurance issues? Any at all?!? Because you're not asking a damned thing from them. Ever."

Is it possible the republicans are holding some sort of alternative in their pockets? Something they are holding onto for as long as possible?

-Turns out, making good decisions is keeping me warm, dry and fed....... and insured.

It also deserves criticism here, apparently.

-Maybe Democrats shouldn't have sunsetted the subsidies

couldn't have passed it otherwise, I would imagine.

-ANd you're posting about ------- eggs.

Did you or did you not just ask about food prices?

-Claims Dems are controlled by insurance companies ... but most insurance companies execs donate to Republicans who oppose single payer.

I can't say you're wrong but consider this fact about ACA.......

More than $1.1 billion was spent on lobbying the initial version of the bill in 2009, according to an OpenSecrets report. In the lead-up to the bill's passage, there were more than 1,500 individual clients"including defense contractors, labor unions, ideological organizations and corporations"contracted with lobbyists to influence the bill's ultimate design.

The healthcare industry spent more than $270 million on lobbying in 2009, which exceeded its own spending record up to that point. On average, the pharmaceutical industry spent a stunning $1.2 million on lobbying each day Congress convened during the first three months of 2009.

Industry giants including the Pharmaceutical Researchers and Manufacturers of America, the American Medical Association and the Partnership for America's Healthcare Future all supported the ACA, but pushed lawmakers to pass the legislation on their terms.

The groups argued that establishing a government-run insurance provider " often referred to as a "public option" " or giving the government the power to negotiate drug prices would hurt private insurers, hospitals and drug makers. The industry's massive lobbying investment paid off: The version of the bill that ultimately passed in 2010 did not include a framework for publicly-provisioned insurance.

The ACA passed without support from a single Republican. Conservatives argued the legislation would undermine free market principles and raise taxes on the rich, and the GOP's opposition to Obamacare didn't dissipate after the bill became law.