"...his skin color."

maybe you should rethink that.

How is that not racist?

Why do you call Boaz "DEI"?

I imagine Defense contractors get threatened all the time but now we have a president who loves for it to be public.

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Thanks!

-I will absolutely remember this the next time a driver is surrounded by an angry mob and hits the gas to escape from a potentially dangerous situation.

Who is the driver? An armed member of LE?

-I don't think anyone on this site would have felt totally safe with a 4000 pound vehicle coming at you.

You're right....which is why if I wouldn't feel safe then I wouldn't have gotten in front of it.

Who was this ICE officer protecting? I didn't see some innocent bystanders standing the potential path of this vehicle.

If there had been then the actions of the officer can be interpreted entirely different. I can defend lethal force if a LE officer isn't the only person in harms way.

Why get in front of the vehicle? It's not like he thought he could physically stop the vehicle with his body.

He was playing chicken with an SUV. She wasn't a suspect in another crime fleeing LE or anything of the sort.

She simply gave the middle finger to these guys.

"To protect and server"....it's not "If I think my foot might get run over, I can kill you"

I usually land on the side of LE on most of these situations......but no friggin way this time.

Can local law enforcement arrest and charge an ICE agent?

sorry....I forgot to reference second line to A Friend

I think all that's true about Bill but I was just referencing his leaving for a while.

And I've not seen those two denizens "attack and run off."

well, first of all....I don't see Bill "attack".

All I see those 2 ------- do is attack. They can't come close to discussing an issue which is why I won't bother with them.

It's not their nastiness.....but the fact they can't discuss an issue. I love the nastiness if they can also stay on topic.

But they can't. they are completely worthless.

-Democrats fight to defend democracy from fascism and you say they're just doing it because of politics.

That's what's wrong with you. You're so deluded you pretend you speak for democrats.

You speak for 1 democrat.

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Just worry about telling the truth on your own behalf. That should be challenging enough.

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A coward would be someone who attacks someone and then runs off.

At least Bill isn't doing that.

Legallybraindead and --------? Those guys are the cowards.

-He legally has no duty to retreat to apprehend someone.

citation?

-The same can be said of the driver, just let them arrest you. No one gets hurt.

nobody is disputing that but this isn't a wrongful arrest.....fatally shooting someone 4 times because they wouldn't stop the car moving 1 MPH is insane.

Goddam....we've argued many LE killing someone instances. I've believed there were multiple sides to in some of those cases.

But not this one. There is 1% defense for this ICE agent.

Yes, we can all agree this woman didn't comply and should have but that's not a defense for what happened.

-Next he should ban private equity firrms from buying up local medical offices ...

I'm not disagreeing......but can you tell me why he should do that?

But back to the real estate thing.....the worst thing about these private equity firms buying houses is they are taking advantage of how real estate is valued. Well, a flawed system of how real estate is valued.

One of the most significant ingredients of how they price a home for sale are the recent sales in their neighborhood.

The obvious way to increase the value of your home is to get the entire inventory of homes for sale in your area to sell for more money.

The average joe can't do that. He simply has to live with the value of those sales as a basis for his value when he lists his home.

Private equity firms have lots and lots of entities. They use Entity A to buy a home, turn around and list it for significantly more money than they just paid for it. Entity B buys it for that price.

Now you have a recent sale for a lot of money.....and they do it again and again in the same neighborhood. It's all money from the same pockets anyway. They are only in to the house for the original price they paid for it.

How that is legal is complete --------. But realtors are opportunists. Which is to say they are greedy and lazy. They aren't going to blow the whistle on this even though they KNOW it's going on and it's how PE firms have artificially inflated the markets.

-Where's an ambulance chaser lawyer when you need one?

They're literally everywhere now.

-The difference is the cop was in front of the car on purpose. She could have kept her brakes on.

True but in this case, which is significantly different than what happened with your wife, there was zero chance of that same outcome.

It's a vehicle....but a virtual motionless vehicle. Bodily injury from impact with this vehicle was not an issue.

-I see his position as "defensible"...not the right thing to do or proof his life was in danger.
Simply "defensible" which will matter in court.

It is an issue that will matter in court. That's all I know....but I can't imagine someone successfully making the argument their life was in danger in that situation.

-The vehicle traveling 1 MPH was the "weapon".

FT, Bill

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I wonder how that works. We have to do background checks on all new hires......but we don't do them....we use a vendor for that so I've never seen an actual background check.

But what does a background report show regarding a "pardon"?

I have no clue.

-I prefer something like "reasonable" or "defensible" or "legally justified".
How about you? Why do you believe what you believe?

Those are fine words......if we didn't have the video evidence we have.

None of them apply and any thinking person would agree.

I just now remembered that I was run over by a similar vehicle when I was in high school.....may have been a little lubricated at the time.

It was on grass, not pavement to be honest.

I got up and walked away. Forgot about it.

-#644 Ah, yes, bell boi jumps in with his "both sides."

He has a point.

-Eberly, PhD in Bothsiderism

-Would you explain the specific things you saw and how you interpreted what you saw to come to this conclusion?

Sure.

The vehicle was traveling at a speed of 1 mile an hour. Contact with the vehicle wasn't dangerous. What's the worst thing that could happen to the ICE agent here?

He falls down and gets run over by a mid size SUV (traveling 1 mile an hour). He breaks a few ribs. or suffers a concussion.

And that's the WORST thing that can happen.....which wasn't going to happen.

Sooner or later you will come to the obvious conclusion the ICE agent was simply pissed off this woman didn't comply.

Not for even a split second did he think his life was in danger. The woman was in a stopped vehicle and had no weapon.

She was in a motionless vehicle and no weapon.

WTF is he going to argue? That a vehicle moving 1 MPH (or whatever very low speed) driven by an unarmed person was a threat to his life? Is he going to argue he thought she was armed?

Of course not.....she just didn't comply.

-Trump will Pardon him if he is ever tried and convicted.

Unless of course Trump is out of office by the time he's convicted.

A reason to slow it down a little?

Since this is a Federal agent......what can happen to this guy?

Derek Chauvin wasn't a federal agent.

So I'm curious how this moves forward. Who has the authority to prosecute this guy?