No, when the abrogated their oversight of reasonably delegated power is when things went off the rails.

They willingly stopped representing us even though that was literally what they were voted in to office to do.

Several dicks at the truck stop.

#36 | Posted by BellRinger

I think you'd find a lot of folks on the left would strongly disagree with you.

Somewhat.

The ones pissed at her about Israel/Palestinian conflict wouldn't.

The others would, but they would have been so happy to finally have a POC woman [insert other identity politic nonsense here] POTUS they would have been distracted a good amount of the time.

I tend to agree with you that it was working pretty well but I've been attacking consistently over the past 20 years on this site for "whistling past the graveyard" and ignoring all the misery and mayhem occurring everywhere.

There were genuine things to fix or improve, but none of them were existential as they were proposed to be by both the idiot left and moronic right. Nor did any of them indicate a nation wallowing in immorality, bigotry or discrimination.

Ironically enough, the current administration fulfills that bill far far more than any other in my lifetime.

but surely you noticed the notion that everything went to hell didn't start with Trump. It didn't end when we elected Biden, Obama, Clinton, etc. either.
#45 | Posted by eberly

No, as best as I can remember it started in earnest with Gingrich in the mid 90's when politics became increasingly less about service and more and more about zero sum political theater and personal enrichment.

Good question.....Any of those coming your way if Harris had won? Of course not.

Except none of that is what I wanted.

I wanted our flawed by still functional system to be fixed by people acting in good faith so my sons could inherit a world where they had a chance to prosper and live in peace like I was able to.

Harris would have been status quo. Nothing for me beyond a continuation of what was already working pretty well.

Instead, we got a sociopathic narcissist who is burning it all down to rule over the ashes.

Why are you crying at the scoreboard and the points the farmers scored for the other team all the ------- time?
#37 | Posted by eberly

Because they'll ignore the a*& f*&^ing they took from Trump because he paid them and continue supporting our descent to failed state status.

I get what you're saying quite fine. You don't seem to get it's not about the past actions so much as the continuation of those past actions to our further detriment.

The core of this, if you really distill it down, is the inability or refusal of enough of our electorate to learn from past mistakes.

Of course, he did.

Totally normal behavior for someone who didn't incite a riot to try and overturn an election...

This is classic.

#1 | Posted by BellRinger

Sure, if you're a petty, bigoted, peaked in high school dumbs*&^.

You're just crying like a ----- because you didn't get what you wanted.

What do you think I wanted? Wealth? Riches? Your wife feeding me grapes?

LOL....you're on a role today.

#31 | Posted by eberly

Otherwise known as a roll.

for fakes and scum buckets like newsom.

You support Trump you f*&^ing idiot.

Jesus Christ if you morons had even an ounce of self-awareness we'd be in much better shape.

Here you are on this thread bitching about socialism that benefits farmers because they voted for the guy who is dispensing the socialism to them.

NO, I didn't. I pointed out that these idiots will predictably ignore the soshulizm that benefits them and continue supporting the s*&^stain they voted for that's making it necessary.

This isn't hard yet you and ballwasher can't seem to wrap your three functional neurons around it.

And it pisses you off.

#26 | Posted by eberly

Well gee, let's see. People are so stupid they'll vote for a guy who tanked their industry last time, he tanks it again and they'll continue to support him because their loyalty is so easily bought.

Meanwhile, the rest of us bear the brunt of that bulls*&^.

If you're not pissed off you're stupider than the idiot farmers and every other dumbf*&^ Trump supporter who can't put down the fauxrage crack pipe.

So no, you don't know.

Just STFU then.

Yawn.

It doesn't take a big ego or much intellectual bandwidth to recognize the double standard bulls*&^ you peddle.

So again....if they just vote democrats....all the other sins are washed away.

#21 | Posted by eberly

I'm going to say this slowly...

The.

Sins.

Wouldn't.

Exist.

Get it?

These people are incapable of talking about anything else.

What's that saying about noticing the splinter in another person's eye while ignoring the plank in your own?

You fools are acting so predictably stupid a 2000 year old book of Bronze Age goat herder myths calls you out.

Even after all these years you still don't know what those dollar figures meant, do you?

You're not worth a well thought out response, Gutes Deutsch.

You're a traitor to your country, constitution and community.

So, their scruples, self-respect, and hypocrisy...are all fine and dandy if they just switch parties.
Right?

#19 | Posted by eberly

Nope. If they were part of the other party they wouldn't whine about soshulizm until it's them with their hand out and they wouldn't have voted to destroy our Republic like an idiot.

And these f*&^ing idiots will take this soshulizm because it benefits them while falling back in line behind the idiot who's burning their lives down.

They won't change a thing.

Still doing whatever necessary to avoid acknowledging the dumpster fire he voted for.

F*&^ off, idiot.

Donald Trump Jr. criticized corruption in Ukraine

Has there ever been a more pathetic skidmark on the underwear of humanity than this turd?

No he's not. You progressives made up those charges just for Trump.
#4 | Posted by boaz

Go stick your head in a wood chipper you brainless dumbs*&^.

New York is truly fu$c$ed...

#1 | Posted by boaz

Cool, now do Trump and the United States, dumbf*&^.

This shouldn't be newsworthy because it was the safe assumption that this was the case.

It's probably the case for most of those in his inner circle as well.

Moving forward, we need to not be surprised that they will blatantly let brazenly illegal things slide while pinning minor s*&^ on anyone who displeases them.

Trump's lawfare retribution has been a disaster.

#10 | Posted by BellRinger

An actually accurate statement.

Read it as many times as needed, s*&^bag.

#6 | Posted by oneironaut

Of course, onelumpofs*&^ is pro-Putin.

how much you want to bet the leaked list will have lines it showing they're simply cutting and pasting from other documents like vote rolls without having any information on the subjects or groups?