In any case this doesn't make much sense to me as the danger with pneumonia IS hypoxia. He seems to be saying the same thing just slightly differently and I'm not sure what the ultimate point is.

My understanding is ventilators work by forcing the oxygen into your lungs. It has to expand your lungs to a volume equal to or slightly larger than max in order to compensate for lost O2 absorption and function due to tissue damage and edema.

People think the nightmare is over if you survive when actually severe COVID and ventilation will likely result in people permanently losing lung capacity and function.

What you call corrupt, I call following the law. These are unusual times but we can't throw everything out the window. The Governor should have called a special session a month ago. You can't believe the amount of confusion these last minute changes and the reversals have caused.

#4 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Yes, they are unusual times which is why the unusual measure of postponing the voting was warranted.

That would be moronic and almost criminally negligent. The American people won't forget the traitorous left, your mentally deficient Dem candidate, our the communist Chinese you love to propagandize on behalf of.

#45 | POSTED BY MAGA_2020

This is definitely Iraschitberg.

What did you do to get the boot? And why are you slithering back where you're clearly not wanted?

It's probably Ira, aka Special Eddie, or just another in a long line of one trick ponies.

#24 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Their mannerisms and style are definitely Ira.

I didn't know schitberg had been axed.

which is why HCQ was looked at originally.

Hydroxychloroquine was looked at because it's cheap, abundant and there's lab data showing inhibition of the virus in vitro.

In fact, the more research done shows that it is the zinc that is the miracle part of the cure, the chloroquine just helps it be absorbed into the cells. Again, you are about 3 months behind the times. Catch up with the latest and than we can discuss more. No point talking about out-dated information.

#16 | POSTED BY MAGA_2020

LOL oh man.

Where do you read this garbage?

It's known how chloroquine interrupts the viral life cycle.

Stop commenting on something you clearly know nothing about and only want to sound smart by asserting garbage as correct.

Also, three months? The first French study is just shy of three weeks since publication.

I'm guessing your dismissive tone is because you're getting stomped but can't admit it.

That was the initial study - you are 1 month behind the times. The second study used 80 patients with a 79% cure rate. You are exactly the reason why progress is so slow, you are very certain of yourself yet you are 100% wrong.

LOL the first study was published less than three weeks ago. The second a week later and the Chinese study I linked to was just published a few days ago.

Also, your coveted second study didn't have controls and was mostly in ambulatory patients, ie those with less severe disease.

LOL. Incompetent before Trump and will be long after - just like the WHO.

Says a person who likely survived childhood because of them.

Is Google really that difficult for you?

Pay walled.

And it's not my job to support your assertions.

testing that omits testing EVERYONE accomplishes nothing other than identifying people that have antibodies and can get on with their lives.

We don't have serology tests yet.

In any case I'm well aware of what people knowing their status would mean, it's still impractical. Or do you have some jenius idea on how 300 million tests will be run every day when we can't even get widespread, consistent testing off the ground?

No - those saying it have common sense and know a huge number of people have already had is and don't even know it yet.

Common sense is code for "bullschit".

Fact is we have shut down our country without knowing the true rates. I think that was a huge mistake.

Of course, you're a Trumper and to a Trumper $$$ means all.

Fact is we knew enough and acted appropriately based on the information in hand.

All you're looking for is a small number to then act as if it's no big deal. Because "common sense".

The overall mortality rate is critical as it shows how afraid the public should be. Becoming aware of it will 100% change the future projects and outcomes. You are living in fear and choose to remain ignorant. So be it.

LOL

No, I'm smart enough to know that knowing the overall rate will only tell us the overall rate. It won't effect the case fatality rate, new infection rate ect.

Knowing one is positive by serology might ease some of the economic impact but even if there are ten times more cases than we know of now we're still, at best, only talking about 1% of the US population as being immune.

With all the righties gone how are we going to know what he really means?

Why is not the President of the United States doing his job?

#2 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

Because he's a worthless, incompetent pile of ----- supported by scared, bitter, miserable ------?

Sounds like she's learning the problem with right wing media.

They're full of ----- and will push their agenda even if it means you or your loved ones die.

Hope they learn that lesson and it sticks.

Not at all.

I think people expect airborne transmission to mean an infected individual would look like Pig Pen with magic glasses on.

Remember, statistically an infected individual infects about 1.5-2 other people. Think of how many people in a day a person encounters.

for a vaccine, which may take a year or more, though tests are already underway (no vaccine for any coronavirus has ever been created, and 18 months would mark the fastest production of any vaccine of any kind in medical history)

Not true.

No coronavirus vaccine has ever been approved for use in humans.

Experimental vaccines were developed for SARS and MERS and there's a decent amount of pre-clinical literature on the topic, so we're not flying completely blind.

And there's at least one veterinary vaccine for a coronavirus, avian infectious bronchitis virus.

It's weird because a lot of the same people down on Trump commenting on a promising drug also promote an autistic 16 year old drop out as an expert on climate change.

#9 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Expert? No.

Accurately representing reality? Yes.

You don't have to be an expert to accurately represent reality.

And not let Joe Exotic, with an inheritance, get elected and f everything up because he thinks being born rich makes you smart.

I've been wondering why Tiger King has been such a popular show given the grotesque nature of the...ahem...characters.

But you nailed it. We're seeing what Trump would have been without a $500 million dollar inheritance.

Last week, Helen Branswell of Stat news reported that public-health experts in the U.S. are increasingly worried that the public is underestimating how long the coronavirus "disruptions" are going to last " with many Americans assuming a sort of national reopening will begin in early May and most public-health experts expecting at least a month beyond that. Possibly more, even considerably more.

LOL

This doesn't surprise me. That's about as far forward thinking as most people are.

All pandemics in the last 100 years or so went through at least two cycles in the spring and fall.

The last pandemic of this type that was a novel virus without vaccine intervention possible was 1918 influenza which went through multiple cycles (waves) over two years.

Maybe it's time to consider, this is working out exactly the way the Trump Administration wants it to.
Chaos is opportunity.
#2 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

As long as they can BS enough of the electorate into reelecting them absolutely.

Oh the old H1N1 2009 misrepresentation.

What a useless pile of -----.

The smell? You are breathing in fecal matter.

What? No you're not. You're breathing in gases produced by decomposition and digestion of the food material.

Frankly I am with her.

Without rigorous testing I'm not.

The evidence for fecal oral transfer of coronaviruses is pretty thin with most of it consisting of detection of coronaviruses such as MERS and SARS-CoV-2 in fecal samples and rectal swabs.

The only test I've read of actual infectivity of virus in sewage samples was studies where virus was added to sewage to see if it remained infectious. Not at all the same as virus actually being shed in feces and the environment it would encounter within the intestine and colon.

Not to mention the effects of X number of hours or days it spends in sewage, the ocean ect.

Mis-characterizing the results as 'mild' is not a valid criticism basing that on one Chinese paper. This guy is not an MD - he is concerned about profits and Trump is taking those away from his greedy, blood soaked hands.

#9 | POSTED BY MAGA_2020

Chloroquine itself was a mild benefit. You haven't read the study they're referring to have you?

And so what if he's not an MD. Truthfully, PhDs are better at this than MDs who are quite often glorified mechanics running through the motions.

As for the rest, LOFL. Vaccine are typically not big money makers for pharma companies.

79 out of 80 cured of the disease for hospitalized cases. If that is mild, how do you define very effective?

The published study was only in 20 patients.

And the more significant effect was when chloroquine was administered with azithromycin.

And that doesn't answer the question. You have to describe the differential to controls (in French study it was patients who declined the chloroquine treatment and patient reports who didn't have access to it).

But, if you want to say its benefits are 'mild' that is the point of comparison.

No, studies are always looking for significant increases compared to standard of care.

If this repeats and shows it does improve upon standard of care then it'll be used. Fact is the data doesn't exist yet.

Not sufficiently supported by your standards maybe - but people are dying now so we don't have multiple years for a double blind study on a drug that is completely safe.

Nobody is calling for years worth of studies.

Just a little more discretion from Orange Schitstain in not selling something as a panacea based on 20 patients.

I call that the rational approach as banking on a vaccine is fools gold when we have viruses like herpes and HIV that have been studied for decades without a vaccine.

There is far too much to unpack there for a blog. Lets just say you chose two very poor fruit to compare to our apples.

And no, a vaccine isn't fool's gold. The faster the population develops significant widespread immunity the faster this becomes a thing of the past or a season upper respiratory infection like the other coronaviruses in circulation.

Would be interested in the Retort's thoughts on this quote, I felt it best fit this thread of "life returning to normal...eventually."

#2 | POSTED BY GONOLES92

We haven't forgotten it, the strain that spread in 1957 (H2N2) genetically shifted to H3N2 which was another pandemic in 1968.

And is a current seasonal influenza strain that has been kicking a-- the last few years.

I suspect the same will happen with this. It'll become seasonal with some years being worse than others due to genetic drift or time allowing for an increase in the non-immune population.