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Saturday, April 04, 2020

On a recent trip to the grocery store, Molly Lixey, a former emergency room nurse in Saginaw, Michigan, told CNN she noticed a lot of people wearing gloves, which she thought was great.

But what wasn't so great? All the cross-contamination she saw.

In an off-the-cuff Facebook video, Lixey decided to demonstrate just how quick and easy it is to spread germs at a grocery store.

Friday, March 27, 2020

A video created by Priorities USA Action, a PAC that has supported Democratic presidential candidates, showed a chart of coronavirus cases that rose as Trump's past comments downplaying the virus played in the background. read more

As America became the epicenter of the global coronavirus pandemic, President Donald Trump downplayed the escalating national crisis.

His comments at Thursday's afternoon briefing underscored the growing duality of the fight: While the President is telling a tale of great successes, of a government powerfully mobilizing, front-line health care workers are facing gruesome scenes in hospitals in a growing number of hot spots.

Sunday, March 22, 2020

April 15-First US case of H1N1 detected April 25-WHO declares public health emergency April 26-US declares public health emergency and releases antiviral drugs from national stockpile April 28-FDA approves CDC test for H1N1; CDC releases guidelines recommending school closures May 1-CDC H1N1 tests ship June 11-WHO declares H1N1 a pandemic; CDC holds press conference July 22-clinical testing of H1N1 vaccine begins September 15-FDA approves vaccine October 5-first doses of H1N1 vaccine administered in US Late December-vaccination open to anybody who wants it You can continue reading the further response in 2010 if you'd like, but I think the point is clear. Obama did not did f--- up the H1N1 response. Trump is not doing a better job. Ten days went by from first case to emergency declaration and mobilization of US agencies. In less than a month tests were approved, produced and shipped for disease monitoring and public health experts. It took 2 months for Trump do some part of that.

Wednesday, March 11, 2020

The COVID-19 viral disease that has swept into at least 114 countries and killed more than 4,000 people is now officially a pandemic, the World Health Organization announced Wednesday.

"This is the first pandemic caused by coronavirus," said WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus.

Eight countries " including the U.S. " are now each reporting more than 1,000 cases of COVID-19, caused by the virus that has infected more than 120,000 people worldwide.


That was the initial study - you are 1 month behind the times. The second study used 80 patients with a 79% cure rate. You are exactly the reason why progress is so slow, you are very certain of yourself yet you are 100% wrong.

LOL the first study was published less than three weeks ago. The second a week later and the Chinese study I linked to was just published a few days ago.

Also, your coveted second study didn't have controls and was mostly in ambulatory patients, ie those with less severe disease.


100% agree - but the Chinese "study" showing mild results was versus a treatment 100x more expensive and was done without the z-pak and without the prescribed dosing regime. In short, referring to the Chinese 'study' is ridiculous when we have the 80 patient study out of France.

Dosing was higher in the Chinese study. 500mg 2X daily vs 200mg 3X daily. And yes, without the azythromycin.

But the second study out of France is uncontrolled, flawed in it's patient selection and still too small to be significant.

Maybe best if you stay in your armchair and keep your opinions to yourself.

LOL this from the guy who's clinging to this not because the science is robust but because Trump said it.

You don't know that - and no one else does either. There is no 100% certainty in a vaccine much less when it will be available.

Oh boy. Of course there's no guarantee. Nothing is ever guaranteed.

But there's a significant amount of pre-clinical data on coronavirus vaccines for SARS and MERS using multiple methods and vaccine platforms.

Maybe you should sit in your armchair and keep your ignorance to yourself?

Far cheaper and easier to do that via going about your normal life with an effective treatment.

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I already showed you the numbers. This is simply false no matter how much you repeat it.

LOL. Incompetent before Trump and will be long after - just like the WHO.

Says a person who likely survived childhood because of them.

Is Google really that difficult for you?

Pay walled.

And it's not my job to support your assertions.

testing that omits testing EVERYONE accomplishes nothing other than identifying people that have antibodies and can get on with their lives.

We don't have serology tests yet.

In any case I'm well aware of what people knowing their status would mean, it's still impractical. Or do you have some jenius idea on how 300 million tests will be run every day when we can't even get widespread, consistent testing off the ground?

No - those saying it have common sense and know a huge number of people have already had is and don't even know it yet.

Common sense is code for "bullschit".

Fact is we have shut down our country without knowing the true rates. I think that was a huge mistake.

Of course, you're a Trumper and to a Trumper $$$ means all.

Fact is we knew enough and acted appropriately based on the information in hand.

All you're looking for is a small number to then act as if it's no big deal. Because "common sense".

The overall mortality rate is critical as it shows how afraid the public should be. Becoming aware of it will 100% change the future projects and outcomes. You are living in fear and choose to remain ignorant. So be it.


No, I'm smart enough to know that knowing the overall rate will only tell us the overall rate. It won't effect the case fatality rate, new infection rate ect.

Knowing one is positive by serology might ease some of the economic impact but even if there are ten times more cases than we know of now we're still, at best, only talking about 1% of the US population as being immune.


Is this the Chinese study you were referring to? Only 20 patients again...

And not much in the way of significant differences, especially in light of the much later mean time from symptom onset in the non-chloroquine group (2.5 vs 6.5 days) and worse radiological presentation of those patients.

Dosing in the only paper I've seen (www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov) is 3X per day for 10 days.

29 million pills gets you treatment for 3 million people.

79 out of 80 cured of the disease for hospitalized cases. If that is mild, how do you define very effective?

The published study was only in 20 patients.

And the more significant effect was when chloroquine was administered with azithromycin.

And that doesn't answer the question. You have to describe the differential to controls (in French study it was patients who declined the chloroquine treatment and patient reports who didn't have access to it).

But, if you want to say its benefits are 'mild' that is the point of comparison.

No, studies are always looking for significant increases compared to standard of care.

If this repeats and shows it does improve upon standard of care then it'll be used. Fact is the data doesn't exist yet.

Not sufficiently supported by your standards maybe - but people are dying now so we don't have multiple years for a double blind study on a drug that is completely safe.

Nobody is calling for years worth of studies.

Just a little more discretion from Orange Schitstain in not selling something as a panacea based on 20 patients.

I call that the rational approach as banking on a vaccine is fools gold when we have viruses like herpes and HIV that have been studied for decades without a vaccine.

There is far too much to unpack there for a blog. Lets just say you chose two very poor fruit to compare to our apples.

And no, a vaccine isn't fool's gold. The faster the population develops significant widespread immunity the faster this becomes a thing of the past or a season upper respiratory infection like the other coronaviruses in circulation.

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