Fascinating the bind the Lumpers have gotten America into.

And this dishonest sack of s(*& shows up to rub his inflamed ----- all over the carpet...

But it wasn't much more than just noise clearly.

Just noise. LOL

I show you people/interest groups clearly aware of what his previous policies did and now it's just noise...

Mike Pompeo took a bunch of s(*& from Iowa farmers because of how bad it was...and they still voted for Trump anyway. Just noise, huh?

Which is what they are asking for......help. Not a do over on the last election.

They're asking to be bailed out of their self-inflicted FO. Stupidity.

That's why all the information I posted is "just noise." They expected to be treated differently and, adding a second layer of stupidity here, thought they would be shown loyalty by Trump as a sizeable portion of his base.

and the dems were silent on this.

I hope to God you're day drinking because if you're not...wow.

Let's see if a leading democrat campaigns on this.

#59 | Posted by eberly

Incorrect question.

Let's see if an election is even allowed to happen in a fair and secure fashion.

BTW I stopped posting links in 55 after only the second page of good results.

I'm sure it could be much, much longer. Especially if I used a different search engine since Google is so dominated by the current news it was only about one ever 4th result that was from 2024.

What stat have the Dems offered up for how many people have been killed by drugs?

Show me that or else this is entirely believable...

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Of course, that's the stupidity you stoop to.

It's all you have.

So.......when was this debated by you prior to the election?

#56 | Posted by eberly

Now you're just getting yawn levels of ridiculous.

If farmers needed JPW from the Drudge Retort to tell them what was going to happen, then they are in fact...wait for it...stupid.

They didn't think that. Again, republicans have been lying about immigration forever.

Read the links in #55.

Then tell me again how "they didn't think that" isn't pure stupidity.

Where were warnings from those resources? Don't vote for Trump. He's gonna wreck your business!! Wait...no, they weren't hearing that. Where were the democrats with that message?
Again.....crickets.

So despite living through Trump 1.0 and his bad ag policy, they had to still be told these things? But they're not stupid?

you think everyone who either disagrees with you are believes in anything different from you is an idiot.

Nope. I think people who argue with spurious information, poor logic and a lack of facts are idiots. I've known plenty of people who disagree with me that I don't think are idiots because they can actually craft an actual argument.

You all realize of course that JPW has declared the most honest politician in the history of the US is............you guessed it......Donald Trump.
#54 | Posted by eberly

So they voted for a complete unknown or their own demise because they didn't get a good enough slate of stuff the Dems would do for them.

You just keep right on diggin'.

Again. Post 55. Trump had already done significant damage to the ag industry in his first administration, but he bailed them out because he needed the votes.

This time he's screwing them again but is refusing to bail them out.

That's what you get for trusting Donald Trump.

#49 | Posted by eberly

Look. It's really simple.

If you need to be given an alternative to your demise to not choose your demise.

You. Are. ----. Stupid.

It's the last time I'm saying it.

I'm trying to give you some perspective.
#42 | Posted by eberly

And I'm telling you that their perspective doesn't sound like it's going to convince me otherwise that they're not idiots.

why are you dismissing "wasn't well defined" as nothing. Do you even realize that you're asking a group of voters to make a pretty big change?

Change from what? Their usual voting habit in response to stated plans that would be massively damaging to their industry? Again, you're not making an argument to change the prevailing opinion.

Your perspective seems to be their "demise" was imminent because Trump ragged on illegal immigration.

Oh Jesus Christ you really do think they're stupid. Or maybe you're equally incapable of seeing a step or two down the road.

Their demise was imminent if Trump was elected because he clearly stated he was going to gut their labor force and destroy their markets. Literally all of this was pointed out as obvious ramifications of electing Trump. Multiple times.

what was the alternative? What differences did farmers expect to get from democrats should they choose to vote that way?

Not losing their farm within a year of casting their vote.

For all I know...democrats were out in those red states saying the same things as trump
#44 | Posted by eberly

So you make decisions where what isn't said is weighed as equally as what is said? Amazing you've made it this far...

JPW seems to think they should be voting against Trump for HIS reasons....not their own.

#46 | Posted by eberly

No, they should have voted against Trump because his stated policies would do exactly what they've done to their industry.

They, like so many others, just assumed the pain and misery of their chosen policies would be experienced by others and they would be untouched.

by election day? tariffs on ag commodities? no, they didn't know.....and if you're going to argue they did....cite it and show where a single democrat tried to use it.

Again, why does your position hinge on Dems and not the threats/promises from Trump that Trump is acting on?

His own Agenda 47 website said it quite clearly:

2. Enforce Immigration Laws
Republicans will strengthen ICE, increase penalties for illegal entry and overstaying Visas, and reinstate "Remain in
Mexico" and other Policies that helped reduce Illegal Immigration by historic lows in President Trump's first term. We will
also invoke the Alien Enemies Act to remove all known or suspected gang members, drug dealers, or cartel members from
the United States, ending the scourge of Illegal Alien gang violence once and for all. We will bring back the Travel Ban, and
use Title 42 to end the child trafficking crisis by returning all trafficked children to their families in their Home Countries
immediately.
3. Begin Largest Deportation Program in American History
President Trump and Republicans will reverse the Democrats' destructive Open Borders Policies that have allowed criminal
gangs and Illegal Aliens from around the World to roam the United States without consequences. The Republican Party is
committed to sending Illegal Aliens back home and removing those who have violated our Laws.

And

1. Rebalance Trade
Our Trade deficit in goods has grown to over $1 Trillion Dollars a year. Republicans will support baseline Tariffs on Foreign
made goods, pass the Trump Reciprocal Trade Act, and respond to unfair Trading practices. As Tariffs on Foreign Producers
go up, Taxes on American Workers, Families, and Businesses can come down.
2. Secure Strategic Independence from China
Republicans will revoke China's Most Favored Nation status, phase out imports of essential goods, and stop China from
buying American Real Estate and Industries.

What, those actions weren't going to have consequences and they were going to just keep selling to China as if everything was normal?

Foreign aid cuts, another huge market/buyer for US produced food stuffs, was a constant target during Trump's first administration.

Your perspective seems to be their choice was between their own demise or something that wasn't well defined...

So, they chose their own demise and it's the fault of those who didn't define the 'avoiding their own demise' alternative sufficiently for the demise voters to vote against their own demise.

Do you have any idea how mental that is?

Where is the documented effort on the part of the democratic party to campaign these farmers and offer a solution to their problems with trump (and his promises)?
Stop crying like little bitches and offer a reasonable answer to the question.

It's not a sound question.

Their problems with trump, as you call it, only came about because they were stupid enough to vote for him.

They campaigned on shoring up the border and overhauling the immigration system (they even had a bipartisan bill to do so, remember? Trump killed it because immigration bigotry was central to their plan to shred the constitution) because those did need to be done. Both of those are things that the farmers presumably wanted given their vote.

Trump campaigned on that and on the additional steps of mass deportation. Stop ignoring their blind obedience that led to their own demise.

#36 | Posted by eberly

The last section is a false dichotomy because it's not an accurate analogy. You're still arguing as if it's normal times.

The farmers voted believing it would remain normal times.

What we're saying is that it was clear from the beginning that it wasn't going to be normal times. And that was a warning shouted from the rooftops over and over and over and over and over and over and over...

For instance what is a "so-called "gore forum" that Holly used called Watch People Die, according to the ADL"? give us the name.

Try doing a simple good search you dishonest sack of s(*&.

Since you're either too stupid or too lazy to do so, try clicking on the link in #7.

Someone who farms 5,000 acres or so, runs 500+ head of cattle?
And by "know" I mean you understand a little about their business?

#30 | Posted by eberly

Don't have to to know it's abject stupidity to vote for Trump given his campaign promises or to act surprised and angry when exactly what was predicted to happen as a consequence of those promises is happening.

Did they or did they not know that tariffs on Chinda would happen and that they would likely disrupt trade and their market(s)?

Did they or did they not know that immigration crackdowns would decimate their labor force?

Yes or no.

Bonus question: Is it smart to trust a man who previously significantly impacted your industry with his policies?

Yes or no.

By who? Citation please.......

I'm not arguing against intentional obtuseness.

Just like I wouldn't argue with a farmer complaining they're gonna lose their farm now.

Both are stupid and a waste of time at this point.

What do farmers typically point to as the elephant in the room on how the federal government impacts them and their bottom line?
Meaning...the most important thing that impacts them?
#24 | Posted by eberly

Trade (ie markets) and subsidies.

What else did he say that could be a challenge for farmers?
when did he say he would screw them on soybeans?

LOL really? So because he didn't specifically say "I'm going to screw Nebraska soybean farmers out of their market and labor" the farmers aren't expected to have any responsibility for their actions? You're not a serious person.

Look. You're trying way too hard to make this into a valid argument.

If two Uber drivers showed up to pick up a passenger and one of them was a vanilla a&& normal driver with a mediocre rating who basically said "I'll get you there and there's a few free snacks in the back if you want" vs the second one who had previously picked up that passenger, assaulted them and threw them out before getting to the destination who pulled up yelling "yeah motherf*&^er! I'm gonna do it again but even harder and I've got some other Uber drivers who are going to follow me and help!"

And the passenger went with the second because [insert stupidly shallow irrelevant issue here]...

And then turned up with the s(*& kicked out of them, stripped of their belongings and whining that that Uber driver and his other driver friends assaulted them, took all their s*&^ and is keeping it while the police do nothing...

They would rightfully be called an idiot.

Same as these farmers.

Sometimes you just gotta realize people are lost cause and walk away for your own sanity.

OMG......I voted against Trump.
#17 | Posted by eberly

Hmmmm really? Or did you slip?

I voted for Trump. But I don't remember the issues specific to farmers being the reason. I didn't need that reason.
#14 | Posted by eberly

So yes, you are ---- stupid.

And you keep harping on this because you need to avoid acknowledging your stupidity.

You can avoid where this is going or just get there.......we both know where this is going.

#15 | Posted by eberly

Yeah, it's going to where you're a pedantic dumbf(*& asking disingenuous questions to deflect from the stupidity of them and you voting for Trump.

#13 | Posted by eberly

You're joking, right? You think you're owed an explanation of what the Dems said despite Trump very clearly stating during the campaign that he would do the very things he's doing and are killing their farms?

You're as stupid as they are.

And probably even more dishonest to keep harping on this piss poor line of "logic."

it's that they have every motive to sow seeds of deception.

#5 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Do you have any idea how ---- pathetic and stupid you are that everyone else is always lying except the people you believe?

All while you're a die hard Donald Trump fan...

You know what's missing? Not a single shred of evidence for what the ADL is pushing is this article. If all of this is on social media, how come they can't produce it?
#2 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Going to bat for a neo nazi school shooter.

What a piece of s(*&.