Americans are morally bankrupt

" The population of the State of Palestine (West Bank and Gaza Strip) has grown significantly since 2000, rising from approximately 3.15 million to over 5.4 million by 2023"
No population subjected to genocide actually grows its population especially at a significant level.

#139 | Posted by BellRinger

Christ you're stupid

Just pick a date decades ago show an increase in population and voila, what Israel has done since October 7 is somehow not a genocide

Seriously, you are pathetic, just deplorable.

Look at the intentional targeting of civilians

Look at the land theft

Look at the starvation

Look at the collective punishment

Look at the forced displacement

Look at statements from the Netanyahu government

Look at the treatment of Palestinian detainees (aka hostages)

Look at the destruction of the Gaza strip

Look at the restriction of aid and food

---- you you ----

Is it free?
No?
Poll tax
Illegal

If you think posting bronze era myth quotes is somehow profound it just goes to show how out of your mind you are.

What the actual ---- is bill talking about?

I don't agree that Israel should be left alone.

Not after how they have conducted themselves.

That is not an advocacy for terror or war

I am stating that Israel has acted abysmally towards the Palestinians for decades.

Israel has destroyed the 2-state solution

Israel is committing a genocide

As a result, they should be confronted.

That should involve the US applying political pressure.

We haven't, which allows the radicals in the Israeli government to act with impunity to commit massive war crimes, to commit genocide, to blow up the path to a 2-state solution.

If America had simply conditioned it's aid at any point Israel would have had to change it's actions.

As for the abhorrent beliefs of Iranian leaders, they are equally matched by the radical rightwing Israeli Zionists now controlling the Israeli government. Look at that scumbag Smotrich's attitude towards Palestinians is.

Truth,
"Are you asking how we control their feelings? Their WANTS? How we stop Iran and Iranians from wanting something?"
Their actions, not just what they say.
They are funding other groups with similar objectives toward Isreal.
That squarely falls in the "action" category.

#123 | Posted by BillJohnson

Ok so we are on the same page.

You are just going to ignore that I have answered your question several times.

Truth,
"Are you asking how we control their feelings? Their WANTS? How we stop Iran and Iranians from wanting something?"
Their actions, not just what they say.
They are funding other groups with similar objectives toward Isreal.
That squarely falls in the "action" category.

#123 | Posted by BillJohnson

Ok so we are on the same page.

You are just going to ignore that I have answered your question several times.

We killed 3 Iranian children today

My god how pathetic do you have to be?

Does he realize I am enjoying a Jurassic Park movie and this is literally nothing to me?

Honestly, conservatives, this is what you have to offer in terms of debate?

What exactly is the solution to the fact that the Iranian regime openly wants Israel destroyed?

#111 | Posted by BillJohnson

Wait, maybe I am missing something.

Are you asking how we control their feelings? Their WANTS? How we stop Iran and Iranians from wanting something?

Is that what you are asking?

Cause adults learn that you cannot control someone (or their nation's) wants. You can control their actions.

You understand that kindergarten level concept, right?

Let me try a different tack.

What about my answer doesn't answer your question?

Is it me or is Bill trolling? Or stupid?

I answered his question several times, respectfully, at length and detail and he still doesn't understand.

this is worse than his position on mail in ballots, at least THAT is a position.

This is a question asked and answered several times

I am sorry bill but you really are coming across as stupid

What exactly is the solution to the fact that the Iranian regime openly wants Israel destroyed?

#111 | Posted by BillJohnson

Bill, not to be nasty but you're not very smart

The solution is diplomacy to assure Iran does not destroy/attack/harm Israel

How could Iran destroy/attack/harm Israel?

the most damaging would be a nuclear weapon

Which the JCPOA addressed

that is a HUGE thing.

Israel is not going to be destroyed via proxies or conventional missiles

So, the next step would be to get an agreement on those, similar to the JCPOA

An international agreement, that binds Iran and places inspection and enforcement and penalties in place

I am sorry, that is extremely simple and has been explained to you numerous times.

If you don't understand that well either you are lying or just plain stupid.

"Diplomacy."
I asked you earlier,
"What actions from Iran would convince you that they are trustworthy?"

They could convince me they are trustworthy by holding up their end of the agreement.

Are you aware of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action aka the JCPOA?

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Genocide is the intentional, partial, or total destruction of a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group, defined under 1948 international law as a "crime of crimes." It involves acts like killing, causing serious harm, or imposing conditions to destroy the group, with 43 instances occurring between 1956 and 2016.

Key Aspects of Genocide
Definition: Coined in 1944 by Raphael Lemkin, it is the deliberate, targeted destruction of a group rather than just individuals.
Acts (per the 1948 Convention): Killing, causing serious bodily/mental harm, deliberately inflicting conditions to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children.
Historical Examples: Major 20th and 21st-century events include the Holocaust, Armenian Genocide, Rwandan Genocide, and the Bosnian Genocide (Srebrenica).
Scope: The Political Instability Task Force estimated 43 genocides occurred between 1956 and 2016, resulting in 50 million deaths.
Common Misconceptions
Not just mass killing: While it often involves large-scale murder, it also includes non-lethal acts intended to destroy a group's identity or existence.
Group Targeting: Victims are targeted specifically for their membership in a group (national, ethnic, racial, or religious)

Bill do you believe Israel is committing a genocide against the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank?

Truth,
"Bill do you wonder why people around here hold you in low esteem?"
No.
It's a mostly liberal site.
What else would you expect?

#94 | Posted by BillJohnson a

I expect people who have differing opinions to me to have sincere debates on stuff.

I actually have some respect for some conservative posters because they are able to at least attempt to defend their positions. You don't seem to have a grasp on basic facts on various topics and honestly refuse to be educated. that has nothing to do with this being a liberal site.

Ex. Boaz, as reprehensible as i view his positions on trans issues, he strikes me as consistent and sincere in his beliefs. I have a modicum of respect for him.

Some other conservative posters, between their trolling ---- can post some reasonable arguments

Then there are people like jeff who has no beliefs and is just a troll. I have zero respect for him.

Truth,
"yet here you are not taking up the discussion"
Did you answer my question?
All I saw from you was deflection and you justifying Iran's intentions towards Isreal.
#89 | Posted by BillJohnson

Bill I honestly don't know how to make it clearer or simpler

Diplomacy

You set up a multinational agreement that prevents Iran from getting a nuke. You enforce that agreement THROUGH MULTIPLE US ADMINISTRATIONS. That latter part is critical to assure ongoing iranian buy in.

That eliminates the most severe existential threat to Israel.

The next thing you do is work on the other underlying threats/issues, which from Israel's perspective are proxy groups and missiles. From Iran's perspective it is THEIR regional position AND the fate of the Palestinians.

It will require COMPROMISE on all parties.

That is what you do.

For the severalth time. That is what you do to handle Iran.

And honestly I have had to be extremely generous in interpreting your question.

What is the goal of the US war with Iran?

In fact you even said you would take up the discussion

Truth,
Sorry...I'm tired...will take up tomorrow..

#22 | Posted by BillJohnson

yet here you are not taking up the discussion

This is yet another example of what is wrong with conservatives today.

@79

Bill do you wonder why people around here hold you in low esteem?

I answered that question several times

Yet you refuse to engage with those responses at all

and here you are posting the exact same thing

all you reveal yourself to be is either

1. insincere
2. intentionally trolling
3. intensely ignorant

which is it?

We killed 3 more Iranian school kids today

btw bigoted? ME????
LOL

Now that is some funny stupidity right there