Piggy could not care less about this war. He is bored with it. He has said that.

And, I forgot to add something.

"Peace" or a "deal" with Iran will require peace with Israel.

Let that sink in.

The war will not end until there is peace in the middle east between Israel and their neighbors.

How difficult could that be?

This is the new normal.

I am honestly shocked that pundits think a "deal" is forthcoming.

I expect nothing from the MSM, their too corporate and cowardly to report the truth or even frame this illegal, unjust, unjustifiable war in the proper light.

But someone in the pundit class surely should be able to see the obvious conclusion of the simple facts reported.

Remember to end this war, Piggy has to get Iran to agree to give up their control of the strait.

With what bargaining chip?

Sanctions relief? Money?

---- that can snap back the minute commerce is flowing again?

NOPE

You think Iran is going to trust Piggy who cravenly bombed them during negotiations, during peace time, without warning, without notice, without any justification, TWICE?

The cowardly sneak attack that killed the Iranian leader and his family including babies

You think Iran is going to believe ANY assurance from Piggy?

NOPE

We are in the new normal.

Just remember this obvious point, Piggy's announcements are NOTHING MORE THAN MARKET MANIPULATION.

Look at today's stock market.

There was a massive drop a couple of hours BEFORE the copter going down was announced.

Was that insider knowledge? Of course it was. That shorting of the market has happened every time Piggy makes an announcement.

This is your corrupt government.

This is the new normal.

Funny thing I heard today.

CNN has had 37 or 38 headlines that Piggy was announcing a deal to finish the war was imminent. 14 weeks, 37 times Piggy said the war was just about won.

Over 2 and a half times a week or once every 2 and half days Piggy has announced the end was near.

See a pattern?

This is the new normal.

Get used to it

6 months from now Piggy will be saying the exact same thing

It means the Iranians could shoot at a rescue helo, but can't send out their own boats to nab the pilots, nor detect and engage the rescue boat.

#10 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Why would they do that?

Why bother nabbing the pilots?

What in that action is to their benefit?

Isn't Iran sitting pretty right now? No "hot" war and getting revenue from controlling the strait.

Why would Iran put that in jeopardy by capturing a couple of pilots that Piggy would have to retaliate massively?

People fail to understand that Iran has everything they want

This is the new normal, Iran controlling the strait, taking a toll on every ship that passes, paid for by the rest of the world.

That is not going to change any time soon.

So, yeah, grabbing a couple of pilots would be about the worst thing they could do.

Now if they DID shoot down the copter, it shows, at relatively low cost/risk they are capable of projecting force.

Which helps them control the strait.

This is all pretty simple, seems most people haven't caught on yet.

Just a few things we are currently involved in

1. An illegal, immoral, unjust and unjustifiable war of aggression against Iran, MASSIVELY incompetently implemented btw. This war was started with a COWARDLY, sneak attack, during negotiations, which murdered the Shia pope and babies.
2. Actively supporting the Israeli genocide and pogroms against Palestinians and their illegal, immoral war of aggression and conquest of Lebanon
3. We are murdering Venezuelans without justification or legality.
4. We have instituted an unjust, unjustifiable, illegal and immoral blockade of Cuba resulting in the death of children.
5. We have ICE agents gunning down US citizens in the street
6. We have corruption on a mindboggling scale
7. We have wholly incompetent and corrupt people running critical national security agencies
8. We have a president threatening our elections.
9. A Supreme Court that for the first time in our nation's history stripped rights from its citizens.
10. Our Dept. of Defense apparently denying thousands if not millions their chosen recognized faith.

This is just a few items

250 years of our country has led us to the Maga movement. A movement of hateful bigots, cognitive morons, white Christian nationalists, conmen, grifters and traitors. Where the leading lights of the movement like Candace Owen spout that Charlie Kirk's wife killed him in coordination with the Jews and that Macron's wife is trans.

This is what our country has become.

Proud?

---- you if you're proud

I asked a simple question. What in the past year and a half has been worthy of national pride

I got a liberals hate America response

No list of achievements

No summary of the greatest achievements of America

Just an insult of half the country

Not sure how insulting half the country is a sign of patriotism but there you have it

In the past year and a half what has there been to be patriotic about?

In the past year and a half what has there been to be patriotic about?

The answer is they shouldn't trust him. Because apparently, they never stopped their nuclear program with the cash deal Obammy made with them.

#29 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Liar

It was stopped

It was monitored

It was demonstrated, continuously that they were abiding by the agreement

Once Piggy unilaterally pulled out they began enriching uranium again.

Obviously in anticipation of Piggy, America and Israel cowardly attacking them during negotiations, twice.

I repeat myself

Be perfectly clear
America started this illegal, immoral, completely unjustifiable war of aggression with a cowardly, murderous assassination of Iraq's leaders during negotiations, without warning, without declaration, without notice (for the second time).
That is cowardly.
That initial attack killed infants.
It was not some grand success of Mossad or CIA intelligence.
It was bombs dropped on a country's leader's home, during peacetime. Stealth bombs that weren't detected until they exploded.
That is gutless cowardice of the highest order.
And note that the Iranian leader happens to be the equivalent of the Shia pope.
This whole war is evil.
Compound that with the US supporting Israel's ongoing genocide against Palestinians, Israel, who is instituting a pogrom against the Palestinians in the West Bank, who is daily breaching ceasefire agreements, who targeted civilians, EMS workers, journalists and UN Peacekeepers, who desecrates religious symbols, who is occupying and stealing land from Lebanon and Syria.
All the while America is imposing a completely illegal, immoral, unjustifiable embargo of Cuba resulting in the starvation and death of children.
America is killing without justification, without any legal authority Venezuelans on the high seas.
America is stealing Venezuela's oil.

America deserves to suffer.

Maxine Water's daughter.
It's not unique to Trump.
Nepotism goes on in DC.
Many members of Congress both parties have had paid family members.
That was my point...Why not Mullin's wife?

#13 | Posted by BillJohnson a

Maxine water's daughter was/is Maxine Water's campaign manager and paid her in campaign funds

Please explain how that is the same as what Mullin is doing?

You do realize there is a difference between campaign funds and public tax dollars, right?

Be perfectly clear

America started this illegal, immoral, completely unjustifiable war of aggression with a cowardly, murderous assassination of Iraq's leaders during negotiations, without warning, without declaration, without notice.

That is cowardly.

That initial attack killed infants.

It was not some grand success of Mossad or CIA intelligence.

It was bombs dropped on a country's leader's home, during peacetime. Stealth bombs that weren't detected until they exploded.

That is gutless cowardice of the highest order.

And note that the Iranian leader happens to be the equivalent of the Shia pope.

This whole war is evil

Compound that with the US supporting Israel's ongoing genocide against Palestinians, who is instituting a pogrom against the Palestinians in the West Bank, who is daily breaching ceasefire agreements, who targeted civilians, EMS workers, journalists and UN Peacekeepers, who desecrates religious symbols, who is occupying and stealing land from Lebanon and Syria.

All the while America is posing a completely illegal, immoral, unjustifiable embargo of Cuba resulting in the starvation and death of children.

America is killing without justification, without any legal authority Venezuelans on the high seas.

America is stealing Venezuela's oil.

America deserves to suffer.

We are currently starving Cuban children to death with an illegal immoral completely unjustifiable blockade

Iran will successfully get rid of sanctions
Any nation using the strait will not be permitted by Iran to pass through if they are sanctioning Iran

Except you've spent an entire thread being a breathless reactionary turd getting it wrong.

#70 | Posted by jpw a

Other than insulting me you haven't posited one argument in response. that says a great deal.

Simple fact

Truth Hurts Donut

I'm guessing your spittle spraying tantrum is blinding you to the irony of this statement, eh?

#67 | Posted by jpw

I have the critical thinking skills to recognize an obvious huckster.

I was raised to not vote for a rapist, felon, insurrectionist, liar conman. That was sort of a base line of ethics teaching in my house.

Specifically, why did the American people CHOOSE him?

#17 | Posted by truthhurts
They didn't.

#66 | Posted by jpw

So Piggy didn't take the oath of office in January 2025? Thank goodness i was worried that would happen

So stop him. Go ahead.
Inaction means your evil. Are you evil?
Go touch some grass and disconnect. It's a holiday weekend, unplug for as long as you can.

#64 | Posted by jpw

Where are the mass protests?

Where is the general strike?

Where are the calls for congress to take action?

Why did the democrats surrender when they actually started winning the shut down in November?

The American people have allowed our power to be taken from us for nearly 50 years. We are reaping the rewards, and our options are becoming more and more limited.

But that does not change the simple fact that Piggy should not have been elected in a working democracy, in a country with any sense of right and wrong.

Be it actively supporting such evil or apathetically choosing social media over voting or choosing ignorance over protests we are all complicit.

That is a simple fact.

Again, the election should not have been close.

that it was is not due to Harris, or Gaza or inflation, those were just the talking points. the problem is a populace so devoid of compassion and critical thinking as to vote for piggy over a normal human being. Anyone with critical thinking skills should hear a man stand on a debate stage and say Haitians are eating cats and dogs and think this man should be in a mental hospital. Enough people couldn't even draw that simple conclusion. And more people just said "oh well" and didn't vote. And more people are fighting whether Bernie or AOC or Tom Bombadil would have won in place of Harris.

that is the problem. if it weren't the topics that were the excuse it would have been something else

Until we solve that problem our democracy is doomed.

The structure of our federal government is currently set to permit, to only permit, the irrational minority to rule.

That is a problem that needs to be fixed.

" #7 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT"
Fckk off you POS.

#63 | Posted by BellRinger

Your counterargument and its logic are noted.

Take a breath.
The electorate didn't choose him. He won because the same cultist idiots who voted for him in the past voted again.
But he didn't even receive a majority of votes actually cast, let alone support of the majority of eligible voters.
MAGA and the idiot progressives who took their ball and went home deserve this. Not everyone else. Use that anger to try and fix things.

#62 | Posted by jpw

He won because Americans chose him.

That is how our elections work, whatever the mechanics.

Not voting is a choice

Not having a mass movement rejecting his candidacy is a choice.

Not shutting the country down with a general strike is a choice.

I hate it too, but we are all complicit in this monster's crimes.

It really is that simple

The SC literally have found that the President cannot be held accountable for any crime he commits.

That is power that kings would be jealous of.

That is certainly and decidedly NOT liberalism

It is aristocracy.

This SC stripped women of a right they had for 50 years.

That is unprecedented. That a right, a critical right was just discarded.

That is not individual liberty, it is the state dictating what a woman can do with her body.

They have trampled on trans rights, essentially making them unpeople.

They have dismantled African American rights to representation. that certainly isn't the consent of the governed.

These actions are central to what they are attempting.

And this gerrymandering fight is terrifying in it's long term implications.

The one saving grace I THINK is that representation is by people so more populace areas should have more representation. But if the south has zero democratic representatives will that be offset by blue areas? IDK.

I do know that that chaos in the system runs counter to good governance and the rule of law.

@#55 ... The individual's right is no longer supreme. Liberalism is being replaced with oligarchy and autocracy...
Is Liberalism about the right of an individual being supreme?
Or is it about the rights of the People over the dictated rights of the oligarchy and autocracy?
The people of Hungary recently had the ability to express their opinion on that topic.

#56 | Posted by LampLighter a

Liberalism is a political and philosophical tradition centered on individual liberty, the consent of the governed, equal rights, and the rule of law.

It is the essence of We the People...

It is the essence of representative democracy.

It is the essence of the declaration of independence and the consent of the governed.

this is what the regressives are fighting.

They are striving for a defeat of this system of governance.

They are striving for an aristocratic society-be the aristocracy wealth, race, gender.

They do not believe in universal rights or universal suffrage.

those are anathema to their essential beliefs

And they are winning.

People need to wake up to the fact that the regressives have won. We are witnessing the death of liberalism.

Regressives have been fighting for centuries to turn back the concept of representative democracy and equality. They want a return to the aristocracy. they firmly believe that some are inherently better than others and are inherently, divinely ordained to lead.

We are witnessing the death of representative democracy.

For the first time in 250 years the SC stripped a right from half of Americans. This court has stripped countless liberal policies from our governance, the latest of which is the right to representation. This court has made the President a king in all but term limit (and we will see where that leads)

That is the death knell of liberalism. The individual's right is no longer supreme. Liberalism is being replaced with oligarchy and autocracy.

The regressives are plotting and planning to turn our country into a one-party rule. We should all be terrified of the radical gerrymandering underway. that is a path to one party rule. Making the House work like the Senate where entire states have one party representatives and then complete control of the districts will INEVITABLY result in 1 party permanent representation on the state level. When a state has all it's districts as one party and that party controls the state there is literally nothing to stop that permanent control of the districts through gerrymandering.

That is just another nail in liberalism's coffin.

So, spend all your energy debating trans or gaza or inflation.

When representative democracy is being stripped from you and your vote will no longer matter.

As an aside, my vote hasn't mattered my entire life. I live in a blue district in a blue state. My vote has never had any sway over president or policy.

They are extending that concept to the rest of the country1

#50 "And the people will only change when forced to."
You are 100% correct, TruthHurts

#52 | Posted by A_Friend at 2

I know I usually am

#47 "The problem is the people."
You are 100% correct, TruthHurts

#48 | Posted by A_Friend

And the people will only change when forced to.

That force usually comes from starvation or bombs