Laura,

"Was you a swab jockey?? Just curious."

I worked in Avionics.

Dan,

Ok.

Alex,

"When I GIVE you an argument you didn't make, then attack it, THATS a strawman."

Ok.

Dan,

"But Bill scored near the top! Just ask him!"

Truth is, I only finished 10th grade before enlisting in the military at 17.

My Navy entrance exam qualified me for anything except nuclear.

After service, I finished my GED in two Saturdays without studying and scored high.

Later, a college IQ test put me in the top 2%.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

As Kermit said, "It's not easy being green."

Alex,

Ok.

When something not directly related is used to shift the focus off the actual topic, and we end up debating that instead, that's a strawman.

Alex,

toy?

Alex,

"Tell it to the 5 dead cops, one by stroke from head injury and 4 by suicide right after the insurrection."

That's tragic, no question.

But people dying, as awful as it is, doesn't make something a coup.

Framing it that way is really just a strawman.

Dan,

Calling Jan 6 a coup gives it way too much credit.

A real coup has a plan, a chain of command, and an actual shot at seizing power.

What we saw was a bunch of angry people storming around, grabbing souvenirs, and getting themselves arrested.

It got ugly and destructive and people died.

Some paid the price, but a well executed coup?

Not even close.

Speak,

"You cant deny trump attempted a coup"

Yeah, they stole Pelosi's gavel.

They were getting stuff to sell on ebay.

Not much of a coup.

Speak,

"You don't give a ---- about the integrity of democracy since you support a con man who tried to tear down democracy instead of admitting he lost."

Democrats propped up a president so unfit his aides had to run the country.

And Biden's final act was pardoning his entire family and their spouses.

That reeks of corruption.

Tell me again how that's democracy.

Dan,

The exception is absentee ballots because they are a necessity.

Dan,

"Where is your proof of ANY disaster?"

Every jet that crashes could have been transporting uncounted ballots.

Laura,

Ballots are the currency of democracy.

You'd never transport an unverified load of cash and just hope it arrives safely.

Why should ballots be treated with any less care?

To be clear, even if there was no fraud, I am still opposed to using mail-in ballots, other than absentee ballots.

I will not repeat my reasons. It is all through this thread and the posts I've made for years.

It is a disaster waiting to happen transporting uncounted ballots.

Dan,

"Ballot harvesting is illegal in Oregon."

Oregon law does allow third-party ballot collection ("ballot harvesting") if you're outside the restricted zone (100 ft from elections office), provided you meet the signage requirement, "NOT AN OFFICIAL BALLOT DROP SITE"

Donner,

"The best is yet to come."

But not for you.

Trump has lit a fire that won't die with him.

For thirty years conservatives sat quietly while their values were subverted.

Speak,

Read my earlier posts if you want.

Will explain things better.

Clown,

"He's got you all jumping through hoops for his entertainment."

Hey...I'm retired. Something to do.

Keep in mind I was voting liberal when I began posting here.

I'm not a dyed in the wool Republican.

I don't hate liberals. I understand them better than you think.

The Democratic Party has simply gone off the deep end.

But that's changing the subject.

Alex,

Then states need that addressed.

You should know I would be opposed to inadequate or poorly run voting centers.

That should be fixed.

As if my opinion matters.

Dan,

You might could say, "that's why Republican are against mail-in ballots".

Well then...you can also say , "that's why Democrats are for mail-in ballots".

Dan,

Interestingly, Oregon is barely Democrat according to the voting results.

Because they have no issue with ballot harvesting, you might question how much that benefits Democrats to win.

Come on....we know the truth...we know who ballet harvesting benefits.

Dan,

"absentee ballots permit harvesting as well, based on your parameters."

No...they don't.

Traditional absentee ballots are sent by request to a specific voter for as specific reason.

That's not the same as blanket ballots mailed out.

However, I'm sure some people will lie.

Back to the morality problem I mentioned earlier.

Speak,

"You probably said he would leave office peacefully if he loses the election back in 2020 didn't you?"

No.

Need I dare write it again?

Yet another strawman.

Donner,

"Trumpy has used mail-in ballots himself."

Yet another strawman.

Donner,

"Good luck ginning up that fauxrage fake plastic Christian."

What does my religious beliefs have to do with this topic?

Yet another strawman.

I see why this website is yellow....the color of straw...considering how much straw gets thrown around here.