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#11 | Posted by madbomber at 2026-06-19 10:28 AM
... it's just baffling to me that modern-day Repubs rate Trump higher than Reagan. Or higher than anyone for that matter.

In Nuremberg (2025) (at 00:55:30), there is an interesting conversation between psychiatrist Douglas Kelley (www.history.com, www.forbes.com) and Herman Goering about what drew him to Hitler, which can shine some light on what drew/draws some to Trump:

[K] Let's talk about Hitler.

[G] It is interesting you have not asked me this directly before.

[K] I'm curious what the attraction was. He was a failed painter, right? Not a very good soldier, yet he's worshipped and revered.

[G] He made us feel German again.

[K] How?

[G] Well, the war had seen Germany crushed. And along comes a man who says... We can reclaim our former glory. Would you not follow a man like this?

[K] Depends what else he wanted to do.

[G] The first time I saw Hitler talk was... 1922. Upstairs of a coffee shop. For maybe 30 people. This was peacetime, but it was a peace without food, jobs, shoes. And he stood up. And he said "French bellies are being filled with German pain." And then... "If you make threats, you need bayonets. Rearm! Down with Versailles!" So that night... I became a National Socialist.

[K] Off of... One speech?

[G] Well, I could tell he would appeal to the old soldiers. If they have the old soldiers, they have the manpower. Even with his antisemitism, it served a practical purpose. It brought towards us men who needed something else to focus their emotions. Something else to blame.

[K] And the camps?

[G] They were to be work camps for our political opponents. Nothing more.
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#11 | Posted by madbomber at 2026-06-19 10:28 AM
There was a poll conducted recently. ... Trump was voted the second-most popular president in the last 40 years. ... No harm, no foul, but it's just baffling to me that modern-day Repubs rate Trump higher than Reagan. Or higher than anyone for that matter.

#14 | Posted by donnerboy at 2026-06-20 10:18 AM
National polling shows a sharp divide on this topic, with different surveys reflecting varied results. In a Pew Research Center study examining which U.S. president over the last 40 years did the best job, Barack Obama ranked first (36%), followed by Ronald Reagan (21%), and Donald Trump (19%).

Close enough...


www.pewresearch.org - Pew: Beyond Red vs Blue - 2026-06-10

www.newsweek.com - Summary of Beyond Red vs Blue - 2026-06-11


Last 40 years had 7 presidents, including Bushes and Biden who clearly wouldn't make it to the top of polls. Clinton had a troubled presidency, huge dot-com bubble market crash in his last year and was part of Hillary's "baggage" in 2016, so another scratch off the list.

That leaves Reagan who won Cold War and caused demise of Soviet Union and communist block ideology, Obama and Trump.

So Democrats' choices are essentially down to one, a no-brainer.

Trump's current standing can be explained by several factors, the main of which are the Recency Bias (en.wikipedia.org), self-selective (FoxNews) and algorithmic- / "influencers"-driven digital 'news channels' consumption that favor him and sing his praises, people generally poorly educated in economics, history and politics, and also younger audience who don't have the reference (again, a subset of both Recency Bias and education/knowledge) and are much more influenced by zeitgeist's "marketing / slogans" and "causes / movements".

So, in light of all those factors, 19 percent overall is not that high - about the size of his base plus voters who can't (yet?) admit they made a mistake voting for him.

Would be interesting to see the percentage of people one year before 2024 elections who would give Trump same number as now, or thought Biden's presidency was the best, because of "great economy" and "lower inflation" - pretty sure it would be much higher for Biden than it is now. Even a week before elections there were posters here (some of whom are no longer posting) that were looking at the "good" employment/unemployment numbers and predicted victory, totally oblivious to what the real economy was for > 65% of voters. Harris' campaign was apparently blind to that, too: "I would not change anything", utter failure to take campaign seriously and choose competent VP, pay attention to swing states and "woke" issues, and hit Trump on his atrocious actual "business" and "dealmaking" record.


Most recent generic poll of "red"/"blue" states:

www.newsweek.com - Map Shows Donald Trump's Approval Rating in Every State After 17 Months - June 20, 2026
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#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-06-16 06:02 AM
Israel is Stern Gang and Levi, and nothing else?
Hahaha, Levi. You know what I mean.

No, I have no idea who/what you are referring to or WTH you mean... nor do I care.


"So, humanitarian aid is a "policy of propping up Hamas"?"
--- Giving money to a charity is propping up the people running said charity.

1. Hamas is not a "charity"
2. You just condemned the USA, EU and other donors for giving humanitarian aid intended for Gazans.


"Why Arabs Are Fed up With the Palestinians"
Did they get so fed up they killed 70,000 Palestinians, or was that somebody else?

According to your previous answer, Arabs countries engaged in "policy of starvation" of Palestinians - we don't know how many it killed.


Why is Netanyahu so adamant in maintaining Hamas as the Highest Governing Authority in Gaza?

Again, totally nonsensical "conspiracy theory" loopback because you didn't even try reading or understanding posts and links debunking the premise.

Hamas and Iran have been "maintaining" Hamas as "Highest Governing Authority" (that's what Gazans call Hamas) in Gaza, by brutal repressions and public executions of "Israel collaborators."


"How come there aren't any articles saying Netanyahu didn't support Hamas?"
--- "Because writing one would be stupid"
------ In the middle of writing that very article. Congratulations, you played yourself.

That's because I wasn't writing an "article" - I directly answered your illogical question.

So, congratulations... for "playing yourself"... and wasting even more of my time.


On that note, a couple of sincere suggestions that could make life easier for you, and anyone having to deal with your rambling, babbling posts and questions:

1. Lay off tequila or whatever else you're drinking these days, especially in the morning.
2. Ask your doctors to check you for ADD/ADHD - there are meds and therapies for that.
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#15 - #18 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-06-15
In the late 2010s and early 2020s, Israeli officials encouraged Qatar to support Hamas,[8] especially by approving the transfer of large sums of financial aid by Qatar to the organization.

I addressed that but you ignored it, as usual - it wasn't support of Hamas, it was humanitarian aid for Gaza via Qatar:

FTA: Israel has allowed suitcases holding millions in Qatari cash to enter Gaza...
Letting UN's Humanitarian Cash Assistance to Gaza program pass through Qatar has been a long-standing negotiated policy.

From 2014 to 2020, U.N. agencies spent nearly $4.5 billion in Gaza, including $600 million in 2020 alone... With Israel's approval, Qatar has provided over $1 billion in reconstruction funds and humanitarian aid for poor Palestinians in the Gaza Strip... **


So, humanitarian aid is a "policy of propping up Hamas"?

You've been peddling this nonsense here for years, despite clear rebuttals.


[9] Several Israeli intelligence officials have cited Qatari money as a contributing factor to the success of Hamas in leading the October 7 attacks in 2023;[10]
en.wikipedia.org

Money is fungible ("money is money"). Hamas, being the Highest Governing Authority in Gaza, was the receiver of any "humanitarian aid" from the USA and EU indirectly (because Hamas is a designated terrorist entity) through UNRWA and UN and was in position to [mis]use the money for any purpose...

Does that mean that USA and EU have a policy of "propping up Hamas" or "making Hamas stronger"? You understand now how ridiculous that line of thought is?

Unless your argument is that Gaza had to be deprived of all humanitarian aid because they are governed by Hamas (BTW, all Arab countries finally ended aid **), it still is absolutely contrary to "policy of making Hamas stronger" - anyone but you understands that.


Netanyahu admits Israel backing 'criminal' groups, rivals of Hamas, in Gaza
www.aljazeera.com

You are again undermining your own argument by providing the article that directly contradicts your assertion that Netanyahu had a policy of "strengthening Hamas" - even al-Jazeera proves you wrong.


Netanyahu doesn't even deny it.

Why would he deny that he wants to weaken Hamas by "supporting" its rivals? Again, that is exactly opposite of "propping up Hamas"!


How come there aren't any articles saying Netanyahu didn't support Hamas?

Because writing one would be stupid and journalists need to at least seem credible... as opposed to posters on blog sites.

Your arguments are now reduced to a challenge of proving the negative. What kind of "logic" is that?


You are such a time-toilet... but I am clarifying your posts here so those reading the thread understood that.

Keep the "faith"!


** www.gatestoneinstitute.org - Why Arabs Are Fed up With the Palestinians - by Khaled Abu Toameh, July 12, 2022 (even before October 7, 2023)

|------- ... The Palestinians are disappointed: their Arab brothers have stopped providing them with financial aid. ... The Arabs are apparently not only fed up with the Palestinian leadership, but also with international organizations and agencies that help the Palestinians. Arab financial aid to the UNRWA has dropped by 90% in the past few years... -------|
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#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-06-15 08:41 AM
"Was "uniting" them a job of Netanyahu's or any other government of Israel?"
Why ask a rhetorical question so disconnected from history.

The question is not rhetorical if you know the history - I provided links and facts, you ignored them, because your entire worldview depends on "faith" in "alternative facts" on this subject.

Dividing Palestine politically was the policy choice that Netanyahu chose.

Again, ignoring the facts, because because they will shatter your "faith" in something.

You either didn't read the posts and links, which disprove this with facts, or just have to go with "faith" and this is your shibboleth - I understand that.


Netanyahu: Money to Hamas part of strategy to keep Palestinians divided
www.jpost.com

Article is from 2019 and proves exactly what I posted - money going through legit channels (UN, US, EU or PA) to Gaza/Gazans for humanitarian aid is not about "propping up Hamas" or "making Hamas stronger" or about "dividing" them - they were divided very well by themselves - read the post and links again.

FTA: |------- Netanyahu explained that, in the past, the PA transferred the millions of dollars to Hamas in Gaza. He argued that it was better for Israel to serve as the pipeline to ensure the funds don't go to terrorism. -------|

As I posted, that's exactly opposite of "making Hamas stronger":
Were Netanyahu and others unhappy about continued internecine warfare and split between the PA and Hamas? No, same way Putin and Xi are pleased with Dems and GOP at each other throats or USA split from NATO or Israel. But "propping up Hamas" was not needed to get there.

Instead, you can (and probably will) keep finding the articles with the "right headlines" that may provide opinions and "alternative facts" that satisfy your confirmation bias and fit your view all day long, as I explained in my posts - they just won't be the facts. It's like trying to prove something to Trump or MAGA - they can't accept it or their narrow worldview and psyche will be crushed.

Politicians need to find "villains" to blame and "heroes" to support, to create policies - so Netanyahu will make a great "villain" for both you and Trump/MAGA. Trump is treating Israel as 51st state, anyway... and there can only be one "PRESIDENT."

I am not trying to convince you - that would be a fool's errand - my posts were for the people here who don't know the facts and history and may be confused by what your "faith" and some relatively popular "alternative facts" distort.

It's OK, keep the "faith" - you gotta believe!

You can have the last word(s), I don't have time for this.
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www.timesofisrael.com - Barred from working in Israel, West Bank Palestinians pay a price for Gaza's war | With permits down to 11% of pre-October 7 levels, laborers once dependent on Israel for decent wages are drowning... - July 19, 2025

|------- ... The October 7 attack reinvigorated distrust in Palestinians for many Israelis, which was coupled with suspicions that Gazans who had entered Israel in the past had provided intelligence to attackers regarding the communities they had worked in.

But the decision to severely limit permits marked a change: In the past, defense officials had insisted on keeping them in place even after attacks originating in the West Bank. Indeed, terror incidents involving Palestinians with permits to work in Israel, who must undergo an intensive Shin Bet vetting process, have been rare.

At the same time, small numbers of West Bank Palestinians without permits have continued to find their way into Israel, whether to work or carry out attacks " or sometimes both. The assailants in a fatal January 2024 attack in Ra'anana had been working illegally in Israel in the period leading up to the rampage, and that attack was just one of several acts of terrorism inside Israel committed by Palestinians from the West Bank during the Gaza War, despite heavy IDF deployment there.
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*** How else would Mossad and IDF identify, locate and eliminate top Hamas leaders and other terrorists hiding in Gaza? Intelligence and special ops require funding.



BTW, the security level of annual Pride Parade in Tel Aviv-Yafo on June 12 was elevated due to reports of possible violence. 4-day Pride festival on June 1-4, 2026 at Dead Sea was largest in history of the Middle East. No public Pride celebrations were held in West Bank or Gaza.

www.secrettelaviv.com - Pride in Tel Aviv 2026 Guide - 1 June 2026 - 30 June 2026
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#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-06-12 10:53 AM
For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it's blown up in our faces
www.timesofisrael.com

Good article, if you read what it actually says and avoid the author's "editorial conclusions" - the content itself completely refutes the headline and intentional narrative of blaming Netanyahu for "policy of propping" Hamas - article was written a day after Hamas attack on October 7 2023, with expected reflexive finger-pointing and scapegoating, especially by opposition parties and press, like in all democracies. It's like reading NY Post op-ed to form opinion about Bidens or Obamas.


FTA: For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank

Hamas took care of "dividing power" when it won elections in Gaza in 2006 and then hunted and threw Fatah / PA members and their families from the rooftops. Was "uniting" them a job of Netanyahu's or any other government of Israel?

www.encyclopedia.com - al-Fatah
www.encyclopedia.com - Hamas
en.wikipedia.org - Fatah - Hamas conflict


FTA: The idea was to prevent Abbas - or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority's West Bank government - from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state.

Again, bass-ackwards "mainstream" opposition opinion.

See above links, Israel didn't need to do anything - corrupt and bankrupt PA could barely keep all factions together, let alone joining Hamas in forming some kind of Palestinian state, when Hamas' stated goal is "Palestine" in place of Israel.

Were Netanyahu and others unhappy about continued internecine warfare and split between the PA and Hamas? No, same way Putin is pleased with Dems and GOP at each other throats or USA split from NATO and Israel. But "propping up Hamas" was not needed to get there.


FTA: Hamas was also included in discussions about increasing the number of work permits Israel granted to Gazan laborers, which kept money flowing into Gaza, meaning food for families and the ability to purchase basic products.

Oh horrors! They were letting tens of thousands of Gazans to cross the border to work in Israel (just like workers from West Bank **) to make several times what they could in Gaza - so much for Israel's "policy of starvation" and "genocide"!

Hamas is the "Highest Governing Authority" in Gaza - who else would Israel discuss work permits with, or supplying Gaza with electricity and water (for which Hamas refuses to pay) and letting in food and medicine that Hamas "distributors" kept intercepting?


FTA: ... Netanyahu-led governments have practically turned a blind eye to the incendiary balloons and rocket fire from Gaza.

More nonsense - every time Israel responded to missiles attacks, US governments demanded "ceasefire".


FTA: Israel has allowed suitcases holding millions in Qatari cash to enter Gaza...

Obviously! Letting UN's Humanitarian Cash Assistance program to Gaza (and shhh! "financing intelligence activities" shhh! ***) pass through Qatar has been a long-standing negotiated policy.

None of this was "propping Hamas" or "making Hamas stronger" - the billions making Hamas (and Hezbollah, Houthis etc.) stronger came from Iran and other parties, for missiles and tunnels.
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Trump (Again) Claims Deal to End Iran War Near

And now, the end is near...
I planned each charted course
Each careful step along the byway
And more, much more than this...
When I bit off more than I could chew...
I ate it up and spit it out...
I've had my fill, my share of losing
And now, as tears subside...
I did it my way




And now for something completely different:

babylonbee.com - Trump Sets New World Record By Winning War With Iran 27 Times In One Year - 2026-06-11

|------- WASHINGTON, D.C. - President Donald Trump set a new world record this week by winning the same war with Iran for the 27th time this year, shattering the previous record of one.

... "No one thought we could win the war so many times," Trump told reporters. "We won it very strongly. Then we won it again bigly, and then we won it even more. Frankly, nobody has ever won the same war this many times. It's incredible, many people are saying historic, what we're accomplishing."

Guinness World Records awarded Trump with a special plaque commemorating the prestigious record for winning the most wars against the same country in a single calendar year.

"It's an honor. What can I tell you? It's a great honor," Trump told reporters as he humbly accepted the long-sought-after award. "I've been gunning for this one a long time, and it finally paid off, let me tell you. Lots of people were talking about it. They said, 'You can't do it. No one will fight America enough.' But they weren't thinking about Iran. Iran really made this possible. The great people of Iran. I love them, but I had to keep bombing them so I could lock down this record. It's a beautiful record, and I don't think anyone will ever beat it." ...
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Bonus: babylonbee.com - Trump Repairs The Crack In The Liberty Bell - 2026-06-05

< /satire >
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#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-06-12 01:26 PM
Because Trump is a transactionalist.

This is not about being "transactional" where you exchange something of value to someone for something of value to you - that's exactly how commerce or barter works.

It is because Trump is a lifelong scammer and grifter, "at the highest level" - and people just keep falling for the "value" of his cultivated "reputation" and business persona as a "winner / not a loser" on all things with his name on them. **

Investing in "Trump/DJT" has been a losing proposition for millions of people for decades, regardless of their wealth or status, so Trumps make it easy for suckers to keep "investing" in/with them through worthless "coins" or stocks minted out of ether, via ICOs or SPACs - it's literally a "Boiler Room" (2000) - en.wikipedia.org(film) ** / "Wolf of Wall Street" - en.wikipedia.org(2013_film) enterprise, Trump style.

One of the crypto scams was sale of Trumps'-Witkoffs' $WLFI coins to Alt5 Sigma (ALTS) miner in August 2025, now a penny stock company rebranded as AI Financial (AIFC):

www.cnbc.com - Trump family got about $500M from crypto venture " but investors saw steep losses - 2026-06-09

Another recent scam is Enhanced Group (NYSE:ENHA) that lost over 70% of its value in its first week of trading ("buy on the rumor/ hype, sell on the news") after SPAC merged with actual company whose 'recognition boosters' and stakeholders include Peter Thiel and Donald Trump Jr. Stock is now down 72% from its high, -61% YTD, even after one-time +58% spike due to publicity around Enhanced Games (aka "Steroid Olympics") in May. Like most of the Trump-adjacent companies, it still has a long way down to go.

www.cnbc.com - Donald Trump Jr.-backed 'Steroid Olympics' are happening on Sunday. Here's what to expect - May 22 2026



** The Art of the Con:

"Look, I didn't get to where I am today by losing my clients' money. Put your confidence in myself and J.T. Marlin... and I'm telling you, we'll never have to ask for it again.
... You call me when the stock doubles, all right?"

The psychology of the scams:

fundooprofessor.wordpress.com - The Boiler Room Lollapalooza
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#9 | Posted by Twinpac at 2026-06-07 06:43 AM
In your opinion, what makes the difference if the "deal" needed a few adjustments? In fact, under the current condition, I'd be surprised if it didn't.

You bet it would, and need more than just "few adjustments" - "under current circumstances" it's essentially null and void, given that Russia is also under sanctions.


The main point, with or without, Mr. Putin just put BFF Trump in a most awkward position and a badly bruised ego.

That makes no sense.

This didn't "just" happen, as I explained... and there is no such thing as shameless Trump finding himself in "awkward position"... and if anyone couldn't care less about Trump's ego, it's Mr. Putin and Mr. Xi, for different reasons.

In fact, Trump keeps trying to "normalize" the US relations with Putin's Russia by emulating Nixon's China "ping-pong diplomacy" by sending hockey team to Moscow... Very "original", no?


Both he and Netanyahu left holding the bag, so to speak.

Don't conflate the two - for Trump it's a matter of ego, for Israel it's a matter of existence.

Even if this eventually happens, if it's a nuclear energy reactors agreement there would be at the very least an IAEA observation and monitoring regime.

If not, what difference does it make, except proving that Iran is a client state of Russia and intends to have WMDs, which Saudi Arabia and most of Iran's neighbors do not want but have no ability to stop by themselves?

Was Biden "left holding the bag" when something similar happened in Iraq in 2022-2024?

www.washingtoninstitute.org - Iraq Pledges Nuclear Cooperation with Russia and China - June 11, 2025

|------- ... Iraq is still a governance basket case and a huge U.S. sanctions risk. The ruling coalition that appointed Prime Minister Mohammed Shia al-Sudani includes several U.S.-designated, Iran-backed terrorist organizations, and nuclear chief Aboudi is a member of one such group, Asaib Ahl al-Haq (AAH). ...

U.S. and international policymakers have ample reason to view Iraq's nuclear energy ambitions with caution. Although a single small training reactor is unlikely to pose a threat, anything more than that would raise multiple concerns.

First, the militias that essentially run Iraq have a poor record on safety, corruption, and smuggling, so trusting them to responsibly oversee nuclear infrastructure would be unwise. ...

Second, can a government controlled by Iran-backed militias be counted on not to transfer nuclear technology to and from Iran? For example, Iran has vowed to retain its uranium enrichment capabilities and could conceivably become the main and most proximal supplier of nuclear fuel to Iraq... Worse, Iran may try to use militia-run Iraq as a way to circumvent U.S. nuclear sanctions. To give an adjacent example, after the National Iranian Oil Company was hit with heavy sanctions, it established offices inside Iraq's Oil Ministry, which is free from such sanctions. Since then, Iraq's ministry has repeatedly purchased excess oil and gas equipment and transferred it to Iran. Such abuses make clear why it is so important for Washington not to repeat the error it made during Iraq's 2022 government formation process, when U.S. officials raised no objection to a member of a designated terrorist group running key scientific and nuclear research agencies. ...
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www.iina.news - Iraq and Russia Sign Nuclear Energy Agreement at IAEA - Sep. 18, 2024

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#10 | Posted by Hughmass at 2026-06-07 07:19 AM
Legally, why is it that Iran cannot have nuclear weapons? Not arguing the advisability, but the legality

Good that you don't argue advisability of Iran (and some other countries in the Middle East) having nukes.

Legality: UN's NPT is the general basis in principle for non-proliferation of nuclear WMDs, otherwise what have IAEA inspectors been doing in Iran all these years?

en.wikipedia.org - Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons - June 1968

Parties 191
membership in dispute: North Korea
non-parties: India, Israel, Pakistan and South Sudan

|------- Iran was found in non-compliance with its NPT safeguards obligations in an unusual non-consensus decision because it "failed in a number of instances over an extended period of time" to report aspects of its enrichment program. -------|

Iran has also for many years openly expressed policy and will to destroy "Little Satan" (Israel) and then "Big Satan" (USA), and used terrorist proxies in other countries (Lebanon, Syria, Yemen etc, including number of "Palestinian" terrorist organizations) to attack Israel. That's just history.

[Mostly Shi'a] Islamist-governed Iran also has long been a threat to [mostly Sunni] neighbors like Iraq, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Yemen and others.

Saudis openly stated that if Iran gets nuclear weapon, they are going to get one too, buying from Pakistan, and/or building their own. Neighbors are not concerned about Israel, yet most of them are worried about Iran having nukes, and as we see Iran attacking their Arab/Islamic neighbors with their "conventional" weapons, not without reason.


Israel introduced such weapons of mass destruction and has hundreds aimed straight at Iran

"Introduced" where? "Hundreds"? "Aimed"? "Straight at Iran"?

That's an amazing new intelligence!

Why hasn't Israel used a couple of them? Any other country Israel would "aim" nukes at?

Why did UAE ask Israel to provide Iron Dome to defend them from Iranian missiles?

Well, at least you understand concept of "self-defense" when the country has been constantly threatened with annihilation and attacked by several of its neighbors since Day 1 of its existence. You just don't see it from Israel's point of view.

Iraq, Libya and Syria have tried developing various NBC WMDs, with varying success.

Libya: finally agreed to abandon their WMD program in 2003, days after Saddam Hussein was captured in Iraq.
www.armscontrol.org - Chronology of Libya's Disarmament

Syria: has been stopped several times from developing or importing WMDs:
en.wikipedia.org - Syria and weapons of mass destruction

en.wikipedia.org - Operation Orchard / Outside the Box

2 weeks ago: www.devdiscourse.com - Syria Uncovers Bashar al-Assad's Hidden Secret Chemical Weapons Program Arsenal - 2026 May 26


... it is about stealing Iranian oil

Oh, not this pablum again! Who and how would be "stealing oil" from Iran? Same people who were "stealing oil" from Iraq, Libya or Syria?

Was it also about "stealing Iranian oil" during Biden administration when Iran first attacked Israel to support their terrorist proxy Hezbollah in Lebanon?
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#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-06-04 10:02 PM
... Volodymyr Zelensky has called for a face-to-face meeting between himself and Vladimir Putin in a renewed bid to end the war.
In an open letter to the Russian president, the Ukrainian leader said it would be "wrong to simply wait" until the war in Europe becomes the focus of the US's attention once more, adding peace could only come "through direct engagement between" Ukraine and Russia.

Shrewd move, he is both preempting and "freezing out" more attempts by Putin to put pressure on Ukraine by "negotiating" through third parties and more specifically, his "messenger pigeons" Trump-Witkoff-Kushner et al.

He also knows Putin wouldn't accept it, but he is sending a much stronger message to both Putin and flaky European allies that "times, they are a-changing" and that Russia is in much weaker position to dictate terms of combat and what's acceptable for "peace deal" and ceasefire(s).

From the letter:

"When you led Russia more than 26 years ago, many in Ukraine had a positive attitude towards you. ... That is already in the past.

Now the absolute majority of Ukrainians perceive positively the fact that our long-range drones visited the opening of your forum in St. Petersburg, having overcome a distance of more than 1,000 kilometers. As you well know, this distance is not the limit of our capabilities.

... Almost half of your 26 years of power in Russia you have spent in the war against Ukraine.

Whatever you say about NATO, geopolitics and the Russian language, this war is your personal choice - a war without a real reason. This is how history will remember it.

We often hear that war suits you. Of course, not when it comes to the safety of your residence in Valdai or the parade in Moscow. Your own life is valuable to you.

But now we all see that this finally ceases to suit the Russians...

They do not like our drones and missiles.

They do not like the shortage of gasoline and the constant rise in prices...

They do not like your intention to organize a second wave of mobilization to expand the war...

They do not like the fact that there is no end in sight to your war.

Yes, you can still force the Russians to exist like this.

But your resources are significantly reduced.

You will not have enough money and political power to continue buying the loyalty of the Russians, as you have done for 26 years. We will do everything to ensure that the world takes care of this.

It is not that we in Ukraine are worried about the Russians. ... But I care about the Ukrainians.

... You are the first Russian ruler who was forced to turn to Pyongyang for help.

And today you are completely dependent on China - also for the first time in Russian history.

We have seen intelligence documents that you are now considering war plans for 2027 and 2028. We also know that you hope that ballistics will do for you what everything else has not.

Everyone has heard your representatives, smiling, saying that I can come to Moscow. But after such 26 years, there is nothing for the Ukrainian leader in your capital, as well as the Russian leader in Kyiv, to do.

There are countries that traditionally receive leaders to resolve issues of war and peace. Switzerland, Turkey... - many can and want to host this meeting.

... If you personally do not agree that it is time to end this war, Ukraine will continue to fight for its existence...

But you will also have to fight much more for your existence - not Russia's, but your own. ... These are facts of Russian history that you know well: when Russia gets tired, changes happen."

We can work on such fatigue. ...

Glory to Ukraine!"
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#4 | Posted by Corky at 2026-06-03 05:16 PM
Also, after the ship hits, the hits on the St Petersburg oil facility are dramatic... and telling; Moscow has tons of air defense systems, cities like St Petersburg have a guy with an AK trying to hit drones flying 80 mph from 500 yards away.

Not really - Moscow and St Petersburg are Russia's only two federal cities, too most significant "historic and cultural centers" and are most defended and best supplied with food and necessities compared to anywhere else in the country, which keeps them mostly isolated economically from consequences of war. St Petersburg (Petrograd, Leningrad) is also an important industrial hub, and has at various times been a capital of Russia; it's also birthplace of Soviet Revolution and hometown of one Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin.

To give you an idea of how significant and important, in one of the demands in December 2025 28-point "Trump's peace deal plan" that was crafted by Putin to pass to Witkoff-Kushner clown show to hand out to Zelensky, they were specifically singled out:
"10. The U.S. guarantee: ... If Ukraine launches a missile at Moscow or St. Petersburg ... the security guarantee will be deemed invalid.

Besides real damage these strikes caused, it was also meant to send several messages to Putin and his guests at scaled down International Economic Forum:
a) increasingly longer range and stealth capabilities and increasing mass production capability of Ukraine's Unmanned Systems Forces
b) Ukraine no longer considers Moscow and St Pete "untouchable" or sacrosanct** as Putin has increasingly targeted civilian structures in Kyiv
c) expect reciprocity as Russia often conducts missile strikes on residential buildings in Kryvyi Rih, Zelensky's hometown

** May 9, 2026 - Zelensky: Ukraine will hold back "long-range sanctions," strikes on Russian military targets if Moscow continues to avoid launching mass attacks: "Going forward, we will respond in kind."


The latest: June 6, 2026 - "Ukraine just carried out several large-scale overnight drone strikes across multiple targets near St Petersburg, reaching 1000km into Russian territory, ahead of Putin's economic forum finale."
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FTA: Protest crowds have echoed that sentiment, chanting "Thieves!" and demanding Rama's arrest by SPAK - Albania's Special Anti-Corruption Prosecutors, who opened a formal investigation into the project this week.

Just recently the same kind of thing happened to Trump-Kushners in that corner of the world:
www.independent.co.uk - Jared Kushner ditches Serbia [Trump Tower Belgrade] hotel project hours after four government officials charged in bribery probe | Affinity Partners withdraws from controversial Belgrade luxury development after Culture Minister Nikola Selakovic and three others accused of corruption - 2025 Dec. 16

|------- ... Jared Kushner, President Donald Trump's son-in-law, has withdrawn his private equity firm from a $500 million luxury hotel project in Serbia hours after four senior government officials were charged with bribery by prosecutors. ... Serbia's Public Prosecutor's Office for Organized Crime charged Culture Minister Nikola Selakovic and three others with abuse of office and falsifying documents relating to the undertaking. ...

President Aleksandar Vucic, who has long championed the venture as a starting point for closer economic ties with the Trump administration, bemoaned the news in Trumpian terms...
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Kushner's development partner in Belgrade deal was going to be Mohammed Alabbar's UAE-based Eagle Hills Properties REIT. In 2025 his $12B "mini-Dubai" project in Budapest was cancelled because of "shady backdoor deal" to bribe several members of City Council and bypass site restrictions.

No end to the Trump mafia family corruption. Hopefully the Belgrade's 'history' repeats itself in Albania.
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Trump Still Demands IRS Audit Immunity
"We're talking about family members that have had almost a doubling of their net worth in the last year and a half," [Republican Senator Thom] Tillis told reporters at the Capitol. "How can you not at least have them be subjected to the same thing I'm subjected to and every one of you?"

Trump: "You should have stopped me at the dinner roll."

But... after 2016 Trump's campaign where he violated "ethics" by not disclosing his tax returns because they were "under audit" did the Congress pass the LAW that every presidential candidate MUST submit their tax return to be eligible to run for the highest office in the land?

Why not make "ethical" standards/rules into clear, unambiguous LAWS when we already know that "ethics" (and even some ambiguous laws) can be easily ignored with no consequences?

Maybe even make that requirement for anyone seeking high enough public office, like House or Senate member... or maybe that's exactly what they are afraid of?

So they can keep bitching about someone who is not afraid of violating "ethical" rules, "appearances of impropriety" or "conflicts of interest" but not making it clearly illegal, so it could be prosecuted or at least, challenged in courts?

As long as someone from the other party can be brazen enough to get away with "seeming" corruption, they think, it would be OK later for them to do the same, if the only penalty may be at worst, a political one - just look at TX Ken Paxton.

Just like gross abuses of unconditional pardons are passed over because they can suit the next King. At least excuse in this case, however feeble, is that it would require a constitutional amendment... and people are just too tired for that, so... "Le Roi est retraite, vive le Roi!"

So, would anybody start asking the Congress critters about making some simple, but obviously toothless, ethics standards/rules/restrictions into civil and/or criminal laws?

Should be a 100-0 bipartisan no-brainer, yet I didn't hear or see any reporters or Congress critters of either "tribe" asking these questions.

Or we have to [finally] accept that a government corruption, regardless of the party, is a built-in feature of the governments and their unchecked ("unfettered") power must be limited, the way it's done in some states.

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#13 | Posted by donnerboy at 2026-06-03 12:36 PM
It wouldn't surprise me if all of America needs to be pardoned after every election from now on.
Or we could just have a Purge every four years for a few days when the law doesn't apply and we can get our "revenge and retribution" on all the A-Ho's from the previous administration.

Purge is an interesting idea, except it may really depend on whether there is anyone left to do the new Purge after the previous Purge and whether (mixing metaphors here) the "new" pitchforks are bigger and better than the "old" pitchforks. Given that the "old" pitchforks know the Purge is coming when they lose power, do you think they will be passive or proactive, either by trying to keep the power (J6?) or starting their own Purge early lest lose the power in the first place?

Purge would be a double edge sword - while it's possible that "the tree of Liberty must be refreshed with the blood of patriots and tyrants" ( www.snopes.com ), most about-to-be-Purged will "rage against the dying of the light... not go gentle into that good night."

Does Second Amendment cover "pitchforks"?
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#8 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-06-03 09:07 PM
#7 Why do you care?

#7 | Posted by Effeteposer ... - Effeteposer "cares" because it's his job - he is a directly paid low-level "script chatbot" troll for Putin's Internet Research Agency (founded by Evgeny Prigozhin, founder of Wagner PMC).

Effeteposer has been running the same stupid Russian script for years now, with very slight variations, depending on how things were going in Ukraine. Initially it was to justify Russian invasion and promoting "Ukraine Nazis" and "everything wrong with the world is USA+NATO fault" and equating "both sides" pablum... basically - "Russians / Putin are well-intentioned but stupid fools that are trying to save the world from Nazis, like the great Soviet Union did in WW2, but fell for evil cunning USA and NATO trap in Ukraine because they justifiably feel threatened by NATO's expansion..." yada, yada, yada.

That no longer working, since 2024 the trolls were instructed to "mute" Russia and their efforts have been directed towards Israel-USA relations, so pretty much to turn any thread into bashing Israel, Jews ("ZioNazis"), Netanyahu, AIPAC, etc. and "mute" the words Hamas, PIJ, Hezbollah, Hoothies replacing them with "Palestinians," "people of Gaza," "Muslims," etc., while and emphasizing the usual "grievances" and agitprop KGB used against Israel since 1950s.

Anything to separate US allies from the US, though Trump is doing much more real damage on his own, but they are serving the same masters. There are now much better-skilled trolls than Effeteposer on this site alone, no doubt because many of his "ideas" have been well accepted here.

spyscape.com - Inside Russia's Notorious 'Internet Research Agency' Troll Factory -

www.npr.org - Meet The Activist Who Uncovered The Russian Troll Factory Named In The Mueller Probe

More recently, they "unofficially" became part of wider Russian Matryoshka network's disinformation campaign of "flooding the zone with s**t":
www.sgdsn.gouv.fr - Matryoshka Network - Operation Overload - A pro-Russian campaign targeting media and fact-checking community (PDF, 16 pg)
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#17 | Posted by madbomber at 2026-06-04 03:46 PM
Donny is out of his element. That's not a decision he is capable of making.

He is entirely in his element of a lifetime of making decisions he is incapable and unfit to make... and blaming everyone else for consequences.

www.latimes.com - Trump is stuck between two realities. Neither serves the American people - Jonah Goldberg, LAT / Dispatch, 2026-06-02

|------- ... In the contest of wills, Trump blinked.

The Iranian regime's tolerance for punishment proved - so far - to be greater than Trump's and that of our gulf allies. Militarily we could finish the job, but that would require ground troops and much greater economic turmoil. In a conflict Trump launched unilaterally without the prior support of Congress, NATO or the American people, Trump doesn't have the political capital for that.

But that's only half the problem. Trump wants the war over, but he doesn't want to pay - militarily, economically, politically - what that would cost. So he wants to make a deal that ends it. But there is no deal available that wouldn't come at an equally undesirable cost. Any deal that looks like what President Obama struck with the Iranians would be too embarrassing to bear. But the Iranians are convinced that they can get just such a deal, and they're willing to drag things out as long as it takes.

The result: Trump's in a box of his own making. He thinks he can talk his way out by simply asserting a reality that doesn't exist. When the financial markets get nervous, he announces a breakthrough that is, at best, a possibility. When the Iranians agree to a deal that looks similar to one Obama might negotiate, Trump goes back to his threats.

It can't go on forever. But I'm sure it'll last until long after this column is forgotten.
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What will be the next distraction from the previous distraction? Cuba ? 250th aka "celebration of Don"? FIFA World Cup? Next rerun episode of Presidential Apprentice picking fights with Greenland, Canada, Mexico, India...?

Meanwhile, Trump continues his full retreat from the "Western front" : www.politico.com - Pentagon likely to cancel missile deal with Germany over fears of Russia - 2026-06-04

|------- The Pentagon is expected to cancel a plan to send Tomahawk missiles to Germany partly because officials are concerned Russia will view it as an escalation, a startling reversal of a long-planned agreement with one of America's biggest allies. ... -------|

"De-escalation / de-escalate" were the often-repeated words of Biden administration officials.
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Wind, solar, and storage free us from fossil-fueled wars and price spikes. Renewable energy = energy independence.

We don't have a problem with "energy independence" - the US is net exporter of oil, gas and coal.

The real problems with renewable energy are "large footprint | low density" and costs, because the "energy" is a global market.

Because the worldwide demand for energy grows along with all the "records" of growing supply of energy from renewables, 80+% of the world's energy is still generated by oil, coal, NG (32%, 27%, 24%) with hydro (6%) and nuclear (5%).

What we do need is energy diversification - but that's exactly opposite of mandating "energy uniformity" of electricity and the renewables, again in the name of "fighting" climate change. Mandates only give you dependence on one source of energy and you lose both diversification and cost competition.

With non-portable electricity, the demand centers should be matched with the close-by types of resource center areas, but that's not what some states' or federal government's "one size fits all" mandates deliver.

The real myth is the panacea of trying to "save the planet" with renewables and "EVs everywhere" which crowded out more efficient long-term energy generation.

www.congress.gov - Why Renewables Can't Save the Planet - 2019-06-25 (Michael Shellenberger was in charge of several Obama's renewables projects)

www.realclearenergy.org - Britain's Net Zero Disaster and the Wind Power Scam - 2023-12-20

That's why Amazon, Google, Meta and others with AI or "intelligent cloud" datacenters are investing in nuclear power, not VRE renewables:
www.cnbc.com - CNBC, 2024-12-28

|------- ... "A new data center that needs the same amount of electricity as say, Chicago, cannot just build its way out of the problem unless they understand their power needs" ...

After years of focusing on renewables, major tech companies are now turning to nuclear power for its ability to provide massive energy in a more efficient and sustainable fashion. ...

"What we're seeing is nuclear power has a lot of benefits," said Michael Terrell, senior director of energy and climate at Google. "It's a carbon-free source of electricity. It's a source of electricity that can be always on and run all the time. And it provides tremendous economic impact." ...
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China has been diversifying energy and electricity generation for the last 20 years and continues doing fast and furious.

The hottest investments in energy infrastructure now are nuclear plants, gas turbines, and blue hydrogen research.

www.gminsights.com - Gas Turbine Market Size, Growth 2026-2035 - Dec. 2025

So no, electric cars and renewables will not "save the planet" from climate change, but NG and "blue/green hydrogen" and even in some places renewables could be useful in diversification of energy sources. Even people who formerly worked on and were favoring renewables projects have admitted years ago that they present environmental problems, are not cheaper long term or should become a major source of energy in the future.
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