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Two years ago, the FBI raided Donald Trump's home to retrieve government records he had refused to return, including hundreds containing classified information.

Yet, national security and foreign policy [implications and dangers] (Iran, North Korea, Russia, Russia, Russia) - the issues where the President actually has the most power and Executive branch apparatus, mostly unencumbered by Congress - weren't visible at all on Harris campaign's agenda... neither were Trump's numerous business failures and utter incompetence (except for making billions selling worthless DJT stocks before bankruptcies), and that Trump and family profited far more from politics and Presidency than he ever did as a "businessman," to counter and blunt his "[Great Businessman] will fix it" / "He made trains run on time" bulls**t...

Outside of "talking to the choir" issues, no dots connected between foreign policy and danger of criminality and recklessness in governance and post-governing ... and implications of someone having a "get out of jail free card" handed out by SCOTUS potentially acting in his own interest instead of country's.

If you have to ask "Why is THIS GUY even close?" it means that what you've been doing isn't working and it's time to find out why and change course, not keep telling people that the NUMBERS look good and they are "ignorant/stupid/deplorable" and should just wait until our "medicine" starts working... any day/week/month now - "you'll see it in the next BLS and BEA reports!"

She never even tried to have a Sister Souljah moment. She ran a nearly substance-free ("I am not Trump" / "I am pro-unions" / "I am against price-gougers") national campaign the way that may work in California, against marketeer who [bought and] sold value-free things his entire life.

Outside of snowflakes - like Washington Post and LA Times editors having hissy-fits about endorsements - people in general, even those who don't like their jobs, do not hate the "rich people" who sign or make it possible (often at a lo$$ for owners, like WaPo's -$77m in 2024 alone) to get their paycheck. They also understand, unlike Whoopi, that "cracking down on price-gouging" and "the rich paying their fair share" are phony "solutions" to their problems. "Bernies / Robin Hoods" are not going to win majority.

Most people generally don't "hate on the rich" and see a hypocrisy when Dem candidates are endorsed, surrounded by and pal around with the glam "rich and famous," including billionaires - talk about "happy happy joy joy" campaign "not listening/hearing, not seeing, not speaking" about real issues for most people... while Trump was trolling them at MickeyD's.

There is only so long that a party can keep selecting crappy candidates (who have to pander to the far left/right in primaries) and then switch course in general because majority of people keep rejecting either/both, when they are unhappy.

We had a choice between two (three?) "failing-up" candidates, who kept being rewarded for/despite their failures, one as politician, another as businessman and politician:

www.bbc.co.uk - 'Failing up': Why some climb the ladder despite mediocrity
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#19 | Posted by Idependant97 at 2024-11-10 02:07 AM
Democrats need to be looking into exactly what it is that minorities are needing.

Wrong solution to the wrong problem(s). They tried to do just that for longer than the last 4-8 years - relying on "identity politics" and keep trying to give more and more "rights" to more and more "minorities" - often at the expense of other "minorities" and that's exactly the mess they find themselves in now.

You have it backwards - Dems need to spend less time figuring out how to "protect" / give new "rights" to some "minorities" while ignoring or even intruding on the rights of and pissing off other "protected minorities" - including women who are not real minority class - and many who want to be treated as just "Americans" and have a robust middle and upper class, like Black, Hispanic, Asian millionaires and billionaires, small and large business owners etc.

They have the same issues other "Americans" have - unlike Dems trying to identify/classify everyone except "rich white male" as a minority that needs "protection" and "special rights" - their "communities" are like any others, they don't [any longer] need to fall in line with whatever other issues the Dem party wants/needs, to expand.

Treating them like children or second-class citizens, telling them they should have grievances against the "Whities" who they work, play, partner with, or employ, and that they need Dems to "protect" them, no longer works - "they're all grown up" now, and resent and reject pandering. They want a piece of the full pie, but Dems can only offer them scraps off the table, like "historic appointment of first 'minority' to the 'position' in administration" etc.

Same, BTW, applies to another "minority" but this one is shrinking instead of growing - unions, now at only about 6% of private sector, and whose membership is not in any way politically united or aligned with their leaders/bosses/capos - they are no longer the "influencers" they were decades ago. Yet Biden and Harris campaigns spent a lot of time (ads and rallies/interviews) to let us know they were endorsed by unions' bosses - with the same effect as celebrities or newspapers endorsements.

Building, and especially, keeping, a "majority minority" is tricky - you start having "inter-minority" conflicts... like trans rights vs women/girls rights, Arabs/Muslims vs Jews, Black/Native men/women vs White/Asian/Hispanic women, working poor vs business owners/professionals, well-educated vs less-/un-educated, LGBTQ+ vs straight, "protected young" vs "protected old" etc., etc., etc.

IOW, the more "minority" groups Dems take under their wing, and/or the more things/"rights" they find they need to "give" them, the higher the chances of conflict with other, likely larger, minority groups exist, and less the chances of amicably resolving them. Possibilities (of conflict) are endless!

Look at the exit polls link in #7 - see how "Moms class" voted (or DID NOT vote) - they have daughters who may not say it out loud in school ("intolerant," "ignorant"), but don't want to share their bathrooms with or compete against trans-women. Minor or non-issue to you, but to them it's a huge overreach and makes no sense... and an example of "class/group clash."

In effect, the "majority minority" coalition is always going to be subject to sort of political blackmail that's similar to social democracies in many countries - you need several parties to form a government and they all want to exact the price / concessions for doing so and joining the plurality winner - see France 2024 elections.
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2020 Trump - 74.2m - 51%, 306 EC

2024 Trump - 74.2m - >50%
2024 Harris - 70.3m - 48%

11m deficit is enough for a dozen "Blue Walls" - that's the real story.

www.nbcnews.com - National Exit Polls: Election 2024 - NBC

Contrary to all the commentaries, Trump didn't "outperform" his 2020/2016 numbers - Harris bigly "underperformed" Biden and Hillary numbers in Dem areas, so percentages show it as Trump's relative "outperformance." It's clear that millions stayed home rather than vote FOR Harris - IOW, she royally f'd up for that to happen.

Mistake #1 - hubris: "Transitional" President declined to "transition / exit" in time and decided that he was "the best one to beat Trump."

Mistake $2 - hubris: Nationally, people keep rejecting "woke"; they barely elected "moderate, normal" Joe Biden, hoping he would be a centrist. after he selected Kamala to "balance" the ticket to appease "Bernie / Warren" wing. Dems keep forgetting it election after election and, after a win, think that people love them and ALL their policies.

Mistake $3 - hubris: Harris, already saddled with "Komrad Kamala" baggage in San Fran and CA, decided to ignore the safe and best choice to "balance" the ticket and secure the PA and likely other "Blue Wall" states votes... and chose someone even further left. The only way that could work if she started to speak "centrist" yet that didn't really happen - as she tried to fake it and avoid any substance. So what was the point? (Corollary: Never pick as VP a guy named "Tim")

Mistake #4 - hubris: Telling people that NUMBERS show "economy is good" (ignoring that 60%-70% have trouble paying bills and rising debt; steady 65+% of likely voters polled "on the wrong track") or claiming credit for subsiding inflation which is the result of the Fed and other Central Banks raising rates and slowing economies everywhere.

Mistake #5 - hubris: Doubling down on Bernie and Warren's "greedflation" and "gouging" and proposing usual left-wing "solutions" like price controls - that even most mainstream Dem economists said would be a disaster - and "no new ideas" ads continued until Nov 5th.

Mistake #6 - hubris: Not seeing forest for the trees. Taking for granted and relying on "Dem 'protection' lock-in" votes of women, "minorities" (LatinX, Black, Asian) and flaky "yoots" and pushing marginal yet largely unpopular issues like trans in women/girls sports and bathrooms **, forgiving student loans etc., while pissing off huge parts of even the same constituency to feel abandoned, ignored, looked upon and called "intolerant," "deplorable" etc., when they disagree.

IOW, just like Hillary!, hers was a "not listening, not hearing" campaign, with celebrity endorsements and repeating to the choir known facts about Trump (like Biden reminding us about 34 felony counts in a "debacle") but little about her (except "nothing different" ?), in a world that shifted away from and cares little about new "woke" acronyms (DEI, ESG, GND...), yet anyone with different opinion is disdained, called names and/or just ignored.


** www.usatoday.com - Harris lost because she was a bad candidate. Don't blame white women for that - USAT

www.nbcnews.com - Young men's economic prospects are shifting, along with their politics - NBC

www.theguardian.com - 'A fatal miscalculation' - Guardian

You can ignore reality, you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality
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** BLS explains: "The CPI does not necessarily measure your own experience with price change... A national average reflects millions of individual price experiences; it seldom mirrors a particular consumer's experience."

"Average" is a key word here, but it's actually even worse: some of the components are "weighted" higher, some lower; others, like consumer's credit interest payments, some property-related expenses, some insurance costs are not included, use of subjective "hedonic regression" etc.

Also, depending what "weighted basket" of goods and services you are in, your "personal inflation" ("particular consumer experience") may be higher than headline or core CPI.

Neither BLS CPI nor Fed's PCE are perfect at measuring even "average" inflation:
The pricing challenges aren't unique to the CPI. ... The personal consumption expenditures price index, produced by the Bureau of Economic Analysis, also has some quirks when it comes to measuring certain expenses like health care.

So neither the CPI or CPE are ideal, one-univariate-fits-all indices, and both understate inflation. That's one reason why Social Security checks (and/or other "fixed income") even "adjusted for inflation" usually fail to keep up with the actual COL.

*** www.pbs.org - Driving retail spending, wealthier Americans are powering US economy - PBS/AP, Oct 18, 2024

www.bloomberg.com - The Mighty American Consumer Is Powered by Higher Earners - Oct 15, 2024
|------- By many measures, Americans appear to be tapped out: Credit-card delinquency rates are on the rise, millions are falling behind on student-loan payments and the explosion of "buy now, pay later" apps suggests shoppers are racking up billions of dollars in "phantom debt" that can't easily be tracked by economists.

A new study by the Federal Reserve puts data behind that K-shaped spending theory, showing that the recent strength in spending has been driven by middle- and high-income families.

Among key findings:
* - In the two years before Covid, growth in average retail spending was roughly the same across income brackets
* - In the two years following the pandemic, low-income families boosted consumption much faster, helped by government stimulus programs
* - In the past two years, higher-earning households were the main drivers. The Fed researchers speculate it may be because they are enjoying a wealth effect from soaring stocks and home values as well as higher interest and investment income

Wells Fargo economists argued in a recent note that lower rates may not provide much lift for consumer spending. At the macro level, they say, the lost interest income will likely be larger than the savings from households who will be spending less to finance their debt.
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#2 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2024-10-30 03:24 PM
So, by lumping "consumer spending" with "private investment" you have the GDP.

No.

Those two contributors should be quantified independently, because dividend re-investments and stock buybacks should not be considered "consumer spending".

What?? No, they are just two components of the official and most popular formula for the GDP and GNP. "Consumer spending" recently accounted for about 70% of GDP.

I'm probably misunderstanding this entire scenario.

Yes.

#5 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-10-31 03:12 PM
The Consumer Price Index has dropped to a 2.1% inflation rate.

Headline CPI ** did, purely on the [relative] weakness of oil price, thanks to IAF and USAF finally dealing with Houthis (Iranian proxy in Yemen) and their campaign to block Red Sea shipping routes, and after Israel announced that they will not hit Iranian oil industry (in the first strike) and US oil industry (Exxon, Chevron et al) and OPEC dialed up the oil output.

Core CPI (excludes "volatile" food and energy prices) for September was higher again and August revised up.

And Sept. PCE (Fed's preferred inflation measure) core and headline was up again, and also has been rising, which is why T-bonds yields are rising, despite further weakness in the economy - (Sept. Chicago PMI plunged to 41.6 from already low 46.6, expected 47.5) and retail inventories have increased while wholesalers and distributors are reduced, i.e., slowing sale-through. September personal spending (0.5% vs exp. 0.4%) continues to outpace personal income (0.3% vs exp. 0.4%), with consumer debt, not even counting BNPL, increasing (meaning more people are having hard time making ends meet) and more of upper and middle class consumers are "trading down" - i.e., are on downward "hedonic adaptation/treadmill." ***

The U.S. economy is the envy of the world. We've come out of the pandemic in better shape than any developed country in the world.

Almost always is, in "good" and "bad" times, regardless of US president - has to do with the US more resilient, entrepreneurial and technologically empowered productive private sector (while productivity has actually declined recently in both US and, even more so, in EU-10) and being comparatively "undertaxed" (if you don't count state and local income and sales taxes) than other "developed" / European / EU-10 economies.
ecipe.org - For decades, the EU's productivity growth has consistently lagged the US

BTW, our stock market is up 51% compared to the 44% Trump loved to brag about. Our unemployment rate is much less than Europe's. Thank you President Biden.

US Presidents have very little influence on the stock market.

BTW, outside of Trillions of dollars in deficit spending ($1.9T in fiscal 2024 alone) and consequent inflation, what did President Biden (and Trump before him, not to mention Congress critters) do to "generate" this kind of return?

Or is this just an "AI-mania Bubble" that started when OpenAI introduced ChatGPT in November 2022, after the "Everything Bubble" (from COVID "stimulus" spending and Fed's QE) deflated back to below 2020 level?

"Magnificent Seven" are all involved or invested in "AI" and are currently valued at 33% of "cap-weighted" S&P 500 - that's about what the ratio of XLF (financial sector) to SPX cap was before GFC and 2007-2008 meltdown - that should be a reason to be concerned, not attribute to some "magical" presidential powers.
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U.S. military forces, including U.S. Air Force B-2 bombers, conducted precision strikes against five hardened underground weapons storage locations in Houthi-controlled areas of Yemen.

About time, after two Israeli strikes took out the fuel tankers and surface launchers, and immobilized the ports where Houthis were receiving Iranian munitions used to attack Red Sea shipping routes and US and UK Navy ships, swatting Houthis' missiles and drones with expensive AA missiles.

Adapted from Iran's motto "Death to Israel, Death to America", Houthis official slogan makes their priorities more clear: "Allah is the Greatest, Death to America, Death to Israel, A Curse Upon the Jews, Victory to Islam" since Hussein al-Houthi used it in 2000.

Nice opportunity for a first real practice run for B-2s, like THAAD installation in Israel, and a [not so] subtle message to Iran that the "hardened underground" nuclear facilities they constructed to prevent Israel from demolishing the sites - since Israel has no "heavy" bombers in their arsenal, only F-15i, F-16i and F-35i planes - may not be as "impenetrable" as they tout. It's safe to assume that IAF will eliminate S-300s defending Iran's nuclear sites in their first round of response.

Red Sea/Gulf of Aden shipping insurance and crude prices have already come down significantly as a result of these strikes. Also helps Israel by reducing potential "incoming" from Yemen, in addition to sharp reduction of rockets and drones from Hamas, and still working on Hezbollah, before turning their attention to the "Octopus" Iran.
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That's so much less than $42Billion spent on Biden Harris broadband initiative which hasn't connected anyone.

It didn't connect anyone because it was not spent - it was part of bipartisan $1T 2021 Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, and as is typical of government programs, "designed" to be allocated to different states and had enough red tape to be "shovel-ready" in 2025-2026, and nobody applied for grants because no one wanted to deal with managing added litany of "woke" federal mandates and states' requirements, and higher expenses to hire "local workforce (read 'union') at prevailing wages and benefits" which they couldn't realistically afford or recoup.

www.politico.com - How politics hung up a $42B Biden internet buildout

Scraping the cheap Starlink deal, for a 10X cost solution. You people are idiots.

No one "scraped" the nonexistent "deal" - maybe because "Starlink deal" is not cheap at all, and only serves to enrich Elon, while "giving" people inferior "broadband" speeds at 3x-4x the price of much faster reliable fiber/fixed-wireless broadband they already have.

SpaceX CEO Elon Musk approvingly reposted an X user who claimed that "for $42 billion they could have bought Starlink dishes for 140 million people."

How shamelessly nice of Elon to think that the government should enrich him by buying his terminals for 140 million households (which is more than actual households in the US, most of whom don't need it in the first place, since about 90% of population already have, and 95% are expected to have by the mid-2025, real broadband at same or much higher d/u speeds than Starlink), so he could start charging them 3x-4x for his "broadband" service! Look what he's done with eX-Twitter for "only" $44B.

Starlink or similar services are good in emergencies or where only satellite service will do, it's not competitive with HS broadband.

$400 why isn't the government giving it to the people?

Many non-profits have shipped more than 10k terminals and FEMA / local governments are giving them "for free" in affected areas, until internet service is restored.

Actually there was a program, called ACP, that was doing just that, at much cheaper cost and with very little management and bureaucratic waste. It temporarily provided $360/yr subsidy per low-income subscriber, which would help ISPs build out the broadband and/or provide more competitive services in more [rural] areas, where they now may have to buy expensive satellite or cell service.

This year the Republicans in Congress, at Trump's behest, "cancelled" / wouldn't extend ACP at a fraction of the cost of $42B they voted to allocate Broadband Equity Access and Deployment (BEAD) in first place in 2021

www.forbes.com - this article is from last year, before ACP was "cancelled" in Congress.

"Tell me you don't understand technology financing without telling me you don't understand technology financing."
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#10 | Posted by commnotes at 2024-10-12 01:35 PM
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What about the ones financed by UK and US?

"There are more than 20,000 Starlink terminals in Ukraine, many of them used by the military. While some of them were donated by SpaceX, many are paid for by the US government, western allies or through crowdfunding"
archive.is

Why was the mainstream media lying about this all along, or is the guy in Poland lying just now?

Your link to supposed FT [archived] article doesn't show the article, but anyway, it's most likely very outdated (early 2022-2023), and you haven't been paying attention.

No one, except Musk, has been lying about this. First he was boasting about its use by Ukraine, trying to promote Starlink, so he claimed that he donated them; then he started complaining about "high costs" and required a payment and sent the bill to Pentagon; he also turned off Ukraine's service in Crimea region on a whim, after talking to "brother Putin" and deciding that he didn't "donate" them for "military/war purposes"... while Russians not only have been illegally using sanctioned terminals and services with impunity (they cannot be sold or activated in Russia due to crude "geofencing"), they also listened in and/or are jamming Ukrainian Starlink unencrypted services, making them a lot less effective.

www.washingtonpost.com - Russia's illicit Starlink terminals help power its advance in Ukraine - October 12, 2024

|------- Russian forces have become deadlier and more agile with the help of illicit Starlink terminals, allowing them to use satellite internet to enhance coordination during assaults... despite U.S. efforts to stop the flow of technology.

The issue has renewed Ukrainian frustrations over Elon Musk, SpaceX's mercurial chief executive. Some of the soldiers criticized Musk by name, saying his company has not done enough to crack down on illicit use and casting doubt on his desire to fix the problem, saying he appears to have favorable views toward Russia.

SpaceX provided free Starlink connection to Ukraine after Russia's full-scale invasion in 2022 but then threatened to cut service following online spats with diplomats, citing the high costs. Musk relented under public pressure and then sent the bill to the Pentagon... Musk was also widely condemned in Ukraine following reports he denied Kyiv's request to allow Starlink access for sea drones in a planned 2022 attack on Russia's Black Sea Fleet. ...
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Starlink terminals and service in Ukraine have been [re-]purchased and paid for by Poland, as part of contribution to NATO's support for Ukraine.

Independently of this, UK and US are buying and using Starlink unencrypted commercial internet (e.g., Coast Guard, FEMA) and DoD is expecting to increase purchases to expand its PLEO satellite constellations as part of "Starshield" and Satcom 2029 programmes.

DoD currently buys Starlink's commercial internet service but by 2029 it plans to acquire more than 100 SpaceX encrypted and "hardened" for military use "Starshield" satellites that would be owned, controlled and operated by US government, as well as Satcom products and services from about 20 other vendors.

It's hard to keep track of who is lying now and who lied before.

Exactly, so don't rush to accuse people of lying, especially when you yourself are working off of very limited information and knowledge about the subject.
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#11 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-10-06 02:49 PM
You still peddling the same lies I destroyed 2 days ago?
Why do you people have to lie incessantly when the truth is readily available?

He is not lying - you guys are talking past each other about different parts of the same BLS report that your link points to.

You simply quoted "headline" numbers from the BLS summary on first page, mostly from the "seasonably adjusted" Establishment Survey - which is what BLS usually tells us.

He quoted a deeper dive into some of both "adjusted" and "unadjusted" numbers in both the Establishment and Household Surveys, shown much further in the report in A-# and B-# tables and also analysis of those numbers - some simple add/subtract math.

As you know, BLS (and other agencies) often revise their previous numbers, for a few months afterwards and then annually - you might remember, recently BLS revised / "adjusted" last year jobs numbers down by whopping 818K (www.nytimes.com - U.S. Added 818,000 Fewer Jobs Than Reported Earlier) - or about 28 percent!

This "unadjusted" report clearly shows huge growth in the number of government jobs (well beyond seasonal and expected "return to school" teachers and admins) and not just for September, but all year long, without which the "official" U-3 unemployment number (as flawed as it is) would be up, to 4.5% instead of slightly down to 4.1%.

Even in this report there was an adjustment for July, up by +55,000, from +89,000 to +144,000 - that's almost 62% "error" in estimates from 2 months earlier. Let's just say that current numbers will be revised well down after elections, and generally, all initial estimates from BLS are to be taken with a grain (or two) of salt.

#1 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-05 12:01 PM
... We tend to think that anyone who says, "Sure, the September report was great, but the October one wasn't, so I just can't vote for Kamala Harris" was never going to vote for her anyhow.

That is very presumptuous - that those who already made up their mind for whom to vote, one way or the other, are going to look at the September (and, if available, October) jobs report, and are going to change their mind - hardly anyone ever makes their voting decisions based on the final, if any at all, jobs reports, and not on their own situation or prospects, i.e. how they feel. And the way many feel now points to 59% - 3 quintiles -experiencing a "vibe-cession":

www.cnbc.com - 59% of Americans wrongly think the U.S. is in a recession - CNBC, Aug 12, 2024
3 out of 5 people feel "their economy" is in recession - a so-called "vibe-cession."
"While the economy is strong on paper, a lot of families aren't feeling the benefits..."

Do you think they are going to look at BLS jobs report and feel better / worse based on that? Why do you think the race against someone like Trump still is/feels so tight? There is a saying that "Recession is when your neighbor is laid off. Depression is when you are laid off."

Fortunately, Kamala moved on from "Bidenomics" but the polls are far from encouraging, especially considering large contingent of "shy" Trump voters who either don't respond to polls or outright lie.
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#11 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-10-06 02:49 PM
You still peddling the same lies I destroyed 2 days ago?
Why do you people have to lie incessantly when the truth is readily available?

He is not lying - you guys are talking past each other about different parts of the same BLS report that your link points to.

You simply quoted "headline" numbers from the BLS summary on first page, mostly from the "seasonably adjusted" Establishment Survey - which is what BLS usually tells us.

He quoted a deeper dive into some of both "adjusted" and "unadjusted" numbers in both the Establishment and Household Surveys, shown much further in the report in A-# and B-# tables and also analysis of those numbers - some simple add/subtract math.

As you know, BLS (and other agencies) often revise their previous numbers, for a few months afterwards and then annually - you might remember, recently BLS revised / "adjusted" last year jobs numbers down by whopping 818K (www.nytimes.com - U.S. Added 818,000 Fewer Jobs Than Reported Earlier) - or about 28 percent!

This "unadjusted" report clearly shows huge growth in the number of government jobs (well beyond seasonal and expected "return to school" teachers and admins) and not just for September, but all year long, without which the "official" U-3 unemployment number (as flawed as it is) would be up, to 4.5% instead of slightly down to 4.1%.

Even in this report there was an adjustment for July, up by +55,000, from +89,000 to +144,000 - that's almost 62% "error" in estimates from 2 months earlier. Let's just say that current numbers will be revised well down after elections, and generally, all initial estimates from BLS are to be taken with a grain (or two) of salt.

#1 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-05 12:01 PM
... We tend to think that anyone who says, "Sure, the September report was great, but the October one wasn't, so I just can't vote for Kamala Harris" was never going to vote for her anyhow.

That is very presumptuous - that those who already made up their mind for whom to vote, one way or the other, are going to look at the September (and, if available, October) jobs report, and are going to change their mind - hardly anyone ever makes their voting decisions based on the final, if any at all, jobs reports, and not on their own situation or prospects, i.e. how they feel. And the way many feel now points to 59% - 3 quintiles -experiencing a "vibe-cession":

www.cnbc.com - 59% of Americans wrongly think the U.S. is in a recession - CNBC, Aug 12, 2024
3 out of 5 people feel "their economy" is in recession - a so-called "vibe-cession."
"While the economy is strong on paper, a lot of families aren't feeling the benefits..."

Do you think they are going to look at BLS jobs report and feel better / worse based on that? Why do you think the race against someone like Trump still is/feels so tight? There is a saying that "Recession is when your neighbor is laid off. Depression is when you are laid off."

Fortunately, Kamala moved on from "Bidenomics" but the polls are far from encouraging, especially considering large contingent of "shy" Trump voters who either don't respond to polls or outright lie.
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#25 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-10-01 03:02 PM
Iran hacked Trump's campaign and sent the info to the DNC and you are going to bring up Russia?

You do understand that 1) these are not mutually exclusive, and 2) the "good Christian" Vladimir Putin is in cahoots with "good Muslim" Ayatollah Khamenei of Islamic Republic of Iran, so the end goals are the same?

Coincidentally (?), Trump recently said that he would "have to make a deal with Iran" and Trump is also a "good friend" of "good communist" Kim Jong Un and "good de facto dictator" Orban of Hungary - all friends of Putin.

* Orban aide said Hungary would have surrendered to Russian invasion and called Ukraine's decision to defend itself militarily "irresponsible."
* Six North Korean officers were killed and 3 more injured on the Russian frontline near the Donetsk region.

www.npr.org - U.S. accuses Russia of sophisticated influence campaigns against U.S. voters - NPR, Sept 4, 2024

www.washingtonpost.com - Russia-paid influencers, trolls step up efforts to influence U.S. election - WaPo, October 1, 2024

www.msn.com - Microsoft Thwarts Russian 'Spear Phishing' Campaign Targeting 2024 Election - October 4, 2024

|------- "Microsoft and the U.S. Department of Justice (DoJ) on Thursday announced the seizure of 107 internet domains used by state-sponsored threat actors with ties to Russia to facilitate computer fraud and abuse in the country. ... Active since at least 2012, the Callisto Group [aka Star Blizzard, COLDRIVER] is ... an operational unit within Center 18 of the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB)."
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www.cybercom.mil - Russian Disinformation Campaign "DoppelGnger" Unmasked - US Cyber Command, Sept 3, 2024

|------- The European Union's Disinformation Lab (EU DisinfoLab) has recently exposed a sophisticated Russian influence campaign known as "DoppelGnger."

Operating since at least May 2022 ... DoppelGnger promotes pro-Russian narratives and infiltrates Europe's media landscape by disseminating disinformation through a network of cloned websites, fake articles, and social media manipulation.

This campaign employs generative AI to create disinformation content and purchased domain names similar to legitimate media to mimic news outlets, governments, and think tanks, luring unsuspecting readers into a maze of falsehoods. At least 17 media providers ... have been exploited to spread DoppelGnger's pro-Russian narratives. ...

The disinformation campaign uses social media bots to spread its pro-Russian narratives with a multi-stage website obfuscation to mask links between the bots and inauthentic sources. ...

Videos, articles, and polls designed to manipulate public opinion are disseminated seamlessly, blurring the lines between fact and fiction.

DoppelGnger's pro-Russian narratives include:
* Depicting Ukraine Negatively: The campaign portrays Ukraine as a failed, corrupt, and Nazi state.
* Promoting Kremlin Narratives: It denies the Bucha massacre and spreads Kremlin-approved narratives on the Ukraine war.
* Fearmongering Across Europe: Germans, Italians, French, Latvians, and British citizens are targeted, warned that sanctions against Russia will ruin their lives.
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So much for "Not Russia, Russia, Russia!"
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#16 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2024-09-29 11:07 PM
Good Americans and westerners don't start off hating Israel.

Good Germans in 1920s-30s didn't start off hating Jews. Palestinian children didn't start off hating Jews, Israelis, Israel. They "learned" from someone | somewhere | somehow.

It's not until we start learning [from someone|somewhere|somehow] and paying attention ... that this view begins to change.

And we learn [from someone|somewhere|somehow] that this evil ...

We suddenly [??] realize that Israelis have been indoctrinated from birth to view the non-Jewish indigenous populations of the region as less than human ... despite having more than 21% of Arab Israeli citizens, as well as more than 5% of Druze, Bedouins and other minorities and being the only multicultural, multi-religion, multi-party democratic society, with liberal western norms, who have no problems living next to / side-by-side with their neighboring Arab countries after they gave up on destroying Israel in several major and minor wars and sought peace. In fact, their economies greatly benefited from trade with more prosperous Israel, which has neither oil nor abundance of natural resources.

Palestinian leaderships, OTOH, refused peace and establishment of Palestinian state every time it has been offered to them, and broke every "permanent cease-fire" agreement with Israel.

But who needs the facts, knowledge or reasoning? We have social media to "learn" from.

We learn that this is what we are seeing when we [or someone we don't know] translate [by someone we don't know] comments Israelis [or someone we don't know] make in Hebrew on social media [or somewhere] ...

The social media "information" is a great resource... for being indoctrinated and radicalized.

And we gradually [!!] come to understand ... ... ... all the reasons we now hate Israel and Jews... voil'a! You have graduated from the University of Indoctrination and Radicalization!

Thank you. You've just described a classic process of indoctrination and radicalization. That's how the young Palestinians and poor-critical-thinking adults anywhere, especially exposed to the "right information" on social media, get radicalized and keep looking and "paying attention" for all kinds of one-sided grievances (real, made up or fake), instead of learning well-known facts and looking at real causes of Palestinians suffering - they are true victims of their own leaderships, who portray them as victims of Israel / Zionists / Jews. That gets them both sympathy and billions in "humanitarian aid" for "refugees" which they use for their stated goal of genocide - Jews and Israel.

Their "leaderships" (depending on which "militia" / sect / gang one belongs to) always aligned themselves with forces or powers antithetic and hostile to Jews and/or Israel: German Nazis before and during WW2, then with the other Arab countries and Soviet Union/Russia, and later, after dissolution of USSR, with Islamic Republic of Iran to wage the Jihad / Holy Struggle - Hitler's "Mein Kampf" also translates into "My Struggle."

Their view of Israel is the same as Putin's view of Ukraine - it's "our land and always has been" and Ukrainians / Israelis are the "occupiers / colonizers" - thoroughly debunked, but alive and well in propaganda and social media.

I am not trying to change your mind, but the [anti-Israel] "process" of indoctrination and radicalization that you described here is a classic "teachable moment" / "case study" for others, so... thanks!

"We learn from history that we learn nothing from history"
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