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#10 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-18 05:02 PM
In 2021 and 2022, the murder rate in red states was 33% higher than in blue states...

Even after removing the county with the largest city from red states (but not from blue states), red-state murder rates were still 20% higher in 2021 and 16% higher in 2022.

The study debunks the notion that higher crime rates in red states are solely due to their urban centers. It shows that the trend persists even when controlling for large cities, suggesting that state-level factors, including gun laws and social policies, play a significant role in these disparities.


This so-called "study" is not only cherry-picked, it actually debunks itself.


Fallacy: Cherry Picking Data | There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics (and cherry-picked data "interpretations")

Even the data they cherry-picked to show that "the trend persists" actually showed the "trend" was drastically down after removing just one "county with the largest city from red state" - the murder rates (not even all "violent crimes [with firearm]") dropped in half. Removing several largest or all "blue" counties would continue the "trend" to its logical conclusion.

How about testing the opposite "trend" of murder rates if all "red" counties (if exist) were removed from stats in "blue" states?

It was a cute but lazy attempt at illusion of "debunking" by cherry-picking partial data, but even that data showed exactly the opposite "trend" than the one they tried to sell.

See the results from more detailed study, using the same methodology (voting records) of Third Way, averaged over period of time, but by counties instead of states and not just a single "urban center":

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"In January 2023, the Third Way think tank published a report claiming that homicide rates have been higher in "red" states than in "blue" states for the past 20 years. The argument is critically flawed in a number of ways. ... Correcting for these flaws produces the exact opposite conclusion. ...

At the county level, the homicide rate has been higher in Democratic-leaning "blue" counties than in Republican-voting "red" counties since 2002.

While red states consistently have had higher homicide rates than blue states, blue counties have consistently had higher homicide rates than red counties, as shown in Chart 2.

Specifically, homicide rates in red states ranged from 5.57 per 100,000 people between 2002 and 2008 to 6.33 per 100,000 people between 2014 and 2020, while in blue states these rates ranged from 5.14 per 100,000 people between 2002 and 2008 to 4.49 per 100,000 people between 2014 and 2020. Homicide rates in red counties, on the other hand, ranged from 3.90 per 100,000 people between 2002 and 2008 to 4.16 per 100,000 people between 2014 and 2020, while in blue counties these rates varied from 7.35 per 100,000 people between 2002 and 2008 to 6.76 per 100,000 people between 2014 and 2020."
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Chart 1 - states vs counties (GIF)

Chart 2 - states vs counties (GIF)

The Red State Murder Problem Becomes the Blue County Murder Problem
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... by introducing two new elements into the negotiations, sources told The Jerusalem Post.

"Sources" are from the opposing parties. It's been 2 months since Hamas was given the "final terms" of the "cease-fire agreement" that would free all hostages... and there was no real response, except Hamas, just like before keeps changing them and our State Dept keeps going along... Netanyahu even agreed to partial hostages release / exchange (there's that "introducing two new elements into the negotiations") yet... so far crickets from Hamas, while IDF is picking off some of their leaders...

From www.jpost.com - US: Hamas, Israel gaps in Gaza hostage talks are bridgeable
Matthew Miller asserted that a deal was still possible, and referenced the agreed-upon framework confirmed by US President Joe Biden on Friday.
- July 15, 2024

|------- Hamas initially indicated that the strike had halted the talks, and then zigzagged back to say that the negotiations could proceed, but the pace of the diplomacy around the negotiations has slowed down. ...

"We heard directly from two senior advisors to Prime Minister Netanyahu today... that Israel is still committed to reaching a ceasefire," Miller said. "Obviously, they want to protect their interests. ... but they do want to reach a ceasefire, and are committed to these to these negotiations," Miller said. ...

He defended Israeli military action in Gaza as well, noting that it was difficult for the IDF to reduce the Palestinian casualty count when Hamas fighters hide in schools, mosques, hospitals, and other civilian facilities. "It makes the challenge that Israel faces incredibly difficult," Miller said.
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Let's not cherry-pick and blow out of proportion importance of useless bias-confirming headlines. That's how "Dark Brandon" (with his advisors' help) overestimated his debating skills and got himself in a pickle.
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#19 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2024-07-17 10:01 PM
Regarding the Palestinians and al-Qaida, immediately below is a photograph of Yasser Arafat donating blood to American victims on 9/11

Ah, the phony "sympathy" symbolism (in English) in the front, reality in the back, outside of camera view (in Arabic, less than a year after Arafat ordered the Second Intifada **):

slate.com - The PLO Rx: Give Blood, Threaten Cameramen, Call Me in the Morning - 2001, September 13

|------- ... the 1994 Nobel Peace Prize recipient's apparent reluctance to countermand a threat made by Arafat's Cabinet secretary, Ahmed Abdel Rahman, to a cameraman who on Sept. 11 filmed for the Associated Press Palestinians in Nablus celebrating the American carnage. According to the AP, Rahman told the AP's Jerusalem bureau that the Palestinian National Authority, of which Arafat is president, "cannot guarantee the life" of the cameraman if the footage airs.
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Re actual symbolic "giving blood":
douglasstarr.com - Bad Blood: The 9/11 Blood Donation Disaster - New Republic, 2002-07-29 {PDF, 4pgs}

|------- ... Faced with an unprecedented turnout, the American Red Cross and other organizations overcollected so massively that they had to discard thousands of gallons of the perishable liquid. The donor crush caused a cascade of problems: Money was wasted; sub-par blood was collected; and other components, such as platelets, were neglected. Even worse was the general loss of faith in America's blood-collection system that produced a slump in donations from which we're still trying to recover. ...

... Dr. Jones reacted typically for a blood banker as the tragedy unfolded. "... We're not going to need any blood for this..." Nonetheless, he immediately dispatched 600 units of red cells to area hospitals, the bulk of which was never used. As the lines of donors snaked around the block, he put out an announcement: The center would only take blood from people with type O, "universal" donors; ... centers throughout the city began running short on supplies like blood bags and testing reagents. ...

... So powerful was the symbolic value of blood that other nations offered to give - a well-meaning gesture but something American health officials could never allow. India offered to send blood, even though its supplies are neither adequate nor safe. Wire services ran an unintentionally ludicrous photo of Yasir Arafat donating blood in Gaza ...
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** www.cfr.org - Arafat and Second Intifada - January 4, 2013

|------- ... the role of Yasir Arafat in the second intifada, the violent Palestinian uprising that followed on the failure of Camp David in 2000. The PLO and Palestinian Authority (PA) have long denied that Arafat was behind the violence, instead calling the second intifada a spontaneous uprising. ...

Now there is an additional source: Arafat's widow, Suha. ...

The debate over Arafat's role should be over. Many Palestinian leaders have always understood it to be a phony, in any event. ... But meanwhile, there should be no doubt about the origin of the second intifada: it happened when Yasir Arafat decided that more violence was useful to him. That case is closed.
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Every one of those was established via legislation.

Yes, they were, and I don't complain about their existence or regulatory authority - it's just that 'Chevron' made that authority and the "remedies" they seek (fines, other "resolutions") nearly absolute, essentially unquestionable - that is not how the rest of society works and shouldn't exist, as it leads to corruption, both personal and ideological.

Every one of those agencies generates and promulgates rules INTERPRETING and implementing the laws that Congress passes. The essential nature of any agency is to interpret the laws that created it.

'Chevron' created the presumption that regulators' "interpretation" of legislations is "infallible" and thereby removed / significantly reduced the authority of "judicial review" - that is/was blatantly unconstitutional to the "balance of power" of three branches in favor of executive.

If Congress agrees with the "interpretation" of regulators and not judicial "interpretation" of their laws, they can make the laws more specific.

And you are very wrong on who the law benefits more - "deep pockets" can finance and wait for courts to resolve their lawsuits; most complains about capricious or stupid regulations come from small businesses and/or farms who have no financial or legal recourse against rules made by lawyers who don't know and don't care about their specific issues.

You can keep bringing few judicial cases you disagree with, they can keep bringing thousands of cases of "regulatory abuse" they disagree with and we can keep going in circles on this - but it's really the case of people / businesses "having their day in court," something that 'Chevron' denied most except those with "deep pockets."

It is patently absurd to expect a nation to rely solely on the Legislative Branch to interpret every aspect of an issue when those issues are complicated,

It is also patently absurd to claim that each and every rule and regulation, i.e., "law" is fair and takes into account needs of constituents, yet 'Chevron' made it nearly impossible and extremely expensive to argue otherwise, IOW, only "deep pockets" could afford to bring them to court... if they hadn't already participated and got what they needed in those regulations that would make it easier for them and more difficult for the "little guys."

Is it going to be more "inconvenient" and expensive for regulators? You bet, but again, "inconvenience" is no reason to deny legitimate judicial power and grant executive essentially exclusive air of "infallibility" and unaccountable power of making and enforcing "rules," including levying fines and shutting down businesses, effectively without reasonable legal recourse. And maybe, just maybe, it will make regulators more careful in how they make rules and seek input from a wider and more knowledgeable 'experts.'
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... it absolutely clear that judges will be legislating from the bench.

Yes, it happens, and "both sides" have accused the "other side" of "venue shopping" - you just brought up the decisions "your side" doesn't agree with, they keep bringing up the decisions "their side" doesn't agree with.

That is not a good reason to keep all the power of "legislating by the regulations" with [whoever at the moment runs] the executive branch - care to revisit "Project 2025"? Again, that's irrelevant to how things should be - the agencies (when one or the other side's party is holding executive power) shouldn't be "judge, jury and executioner" of the rules/regulations/"laws" of their own making.

So, I am not confident that the judges will be humble enough to properly adjudicate to the benefit of the American people.

Is the judicial system perfect? No, but the more and more partisan and capricious executive branch shouldn't hold more and more / all the power, as I have described above, the more we need a potential respite from "executive" tyranny.

You only disagree with this now because at the moment "your side" is holding executive power. When the "other side" holds that power and dismisses and rewrites the "laws" you agree with, you will hold a different opinion, just like when SCOTUS was making 5:4 decisions "your side" agreed with you thought that SCOTUS "legislating from the bench" was just fine.

Want to see a "sweet summer child"? Remind yourself of "Project 2025" and look in the mirror.
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#9 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-13 12:09 AM
And fwiw I know more than a little on this subject as my career involves interpretation of agency rules and regulations and how lawsuits impact them, iow I know of which I speak.

Then you know that overturning original 'Chevron' decision changed only one thing - the presumption of "infallible omniscience expertise" and deference of courts/judges to "unaccountable" and potentially biased bureaucrats from whatever [current] government agency is setting regulations and imposes fines, administrative actions, or takes to courts the entities it may deem "noncompliant"... which may and often leads to personal or ideological corruption - "Power corrupts and 'absolute' power tend to corrupt absolutely."

IOW, 'Chevron' decision effectively took away judicial branch independence and authority over regulators - whatever they want, they get - and "You can't fight City Hall." Agencies shouldn't be the sole entities "interpreting" the laws (essentially writing them) and "judging" them and "enforcing" them - IOW, "judge, jury and executioner."

Overturning 'Chevron' only took some of that unconstrained power from bureaucrats at executive branch and returned it to judicial branch, where it belongs. People, small businesses, corporations should have the right to challenge authorities in court, and not just internal "administrative appeals" which are usually a waste of time with predetermined result. Just as there should be no presumption of "infallibility" of law enforcement agencies or DAs in criminal cases.

So while, as you noted, there have been some lawsuits against the regulations, due to original 'Chevron' decision/doctrine they were mostly doomed to failure in courts, as courts would almost automatically side with agencies on deference alone. It will still be expensive to file lawsuit, but the chances of proving your case "on the merits" will be substantially better.

So, of course, more lawsuits could be filed because of this, from "both" sides, but the agencies may no longer have essentially unlimited, unaccountable power, simply because the courts were hamstrung by 'Chevron' - hopefully, this will make bureaucrats less capricious or ideological when crafting rules and regulations and take other opinions and input more seriously.
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#28

More on UK's parliamentary system and elections:
www.bbc.co.uk - Biggest-ever gap between number of votes and MPs hits Reform and Greens - BBC, 2024 July 5

|------- The gap between the share of total votes won by the winning party in the 2024 general election and the share of Parliamentary seats won is the largest on record...

This disparity has prompted renewed calls for reform of the electoral system, with Richard Tice of Reform UK complaining ... that his party had received millions of votes but only five seats in Parliament.

He said: "That is blatantly not a properly functioning democratic system - that is a flawed system. The demands for change will grow and grow."

The Green Party's co-leader Adrian Ramsay said he wanted to see a "fairer system" to ensure that "every vote counts equally".

The Electoral Reform Society claimed it was "the most disproportional in British electoral history".

The UK's first-past-the-post system has a tendency to generate disproportionate results compared with systems in some other countries. ...

Reform's roughly four million votes translates into a 14% share of the total votes cast in the election, but only 1% of all the seats in the House of Commons.

By contrast, Labour won 34% of total votes cast, but about 64% of the 650 seats.

The Green Party also had a considerably larger vote share than seat share, with 7% of the total vote but, like Reform, about 1% of total seats, or four MPs. ...

On this measure Labour's result in 2024 - with the gap between the share of votes won and the share of seats won of around 30 percentage points - is the most disproportionate on record.

The second most disproportionate election result on this metric was 2001, when Tony Blair's Labour party won 41% of votes but 63% of total seats - a gap of 22 percentage points. ...

Labour grandee Lord Mandelson told the BBC on Friday morning that his party had put its campaigning resources into certain seats in order to maximise its chances of winning a large number of seats, rather than boosting its overall vote share.

A purely proportional system - where national vote share translated exactly into the number of seats - in 2024 would have given Labour about 221 seats and no majority. The Tories would have had 156 seats, Reform 91, the Liberal Democrats 78 and the Greens 45. ...
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Other countries electoral systems don't directly translate into ours, and caution should be exercised not to overestimate the results of some "off" elections where the "local" quirks or certain circumstances play much bigger role, compared to "normal" years.
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#17 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-07-08 11:23 AM
The polls all leaned toward a right wing landslide. Guess what? All the polls were wrong. Again.

Not really. The pre-election polls were actually quite correct, before the creation of New Popular Front (NPF/NFP), an alliance of far-left parties, Greens and organized labor (radical-left La France Insoumise, Communist Party, Socialist Party, Ecologists, Generation.s, Place Publique, and other left-wing parties) into one party bloc on June 10 2024, just weeks before first round of elections, specifically to outvote the Le Pen's National Rally.

According to those pre-first-round polls, NR was going to (and did) get the most seats they've ever taken and possibly beat the fractured center-left but not enough for majority, which proved entirely correct. IOW, there was never a chance for NR to actually govern. Bur the fear of NR "winning" pushed voters to abandon center (for now) and move to extremes, particularly extreme left - also not nearly enough to govern. Like many recent elections, it was not a vote "for" the left to govern, it was a "Non" vote against the far-right.

This was the estimated poll before the second round, and it was spot on:

French Left Win Big; Right Comes in Third

Also not really what happened. NR did come in third, but NPF didn't "win big" - the bloc and two major parties each got less than a third of National Assembly seats, far less than the majority required (289 seats) and none of them has any chance of forming a majority coalition, though NR can form a larger plurality coalition with center-right Republicans... which is unlikely.

It's a mess, but that's how some parliamentary systems work... or don't. Belgium was without elected government for almost 22 months in 2020, which beat their own record of almost 20 months in 2011.

Oh, Les Miserables!

People are simply "flipping" governments because they are unhappy with weakening economies, deficits, loss of purchasing power and still-stubborn inflation (even though inflation rates everywhere came down recently, with both government and consumer debt are sky-high) and they are giving "other guys" and their promised "new/old solutions" a chance - "hope and change / change and hope" at least until the next elections, if "things don't work out" or the business cycle doesn't cooperate.

That's exactly what happened in UK, just 2 years after Labour was wiped out in a "ruling party" system. UK's unemployment rate is highest in 2 years, though inflation came down significantly. Labour won huge seats majority... but with the lowest percentage ever, and on the "platform" of a promise they can't possibly deliver:
Britain's Labour pulled off a thumping election victory with just 34% of the national vote
* Labour won just 34% of the national vote, while Tories secured nearly 24%
* Smaller parties including the centrist Liberal Democrats, right-wing Reform U.K. and the Greens took nearly 43% of the popular vote but gained just less than 18% of the seats

Not exactly a major turn there either, just "flipping" currently least popular party.

Fortunately, ours is a system of "checks and balances" that allows for shared "constrained" federal government, though in recent decades Presidents and executive branch have been taking (or given, by courts and Congress, deliberately or through vague legislations) more and more power - "Stroke of the pen - law of the land."
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#14 | Posted by john47 at 2024-07-08 12:38 PM
My favorite thing is watching climate change deniers in States of the Former Confederacy getting their stuff washed away in the storm surges. The scramble for property insurance down there will be very amusing!

Amusing? Will it be more or less "amusing" in "red" states like, e.g., TX and FL that have been prone to hurricane floodings even before "climate change/global warming" entered our vocabulary than the fires and huge increases in insurance rates in "blue" states like, e.g., CA and OR?

Or do you think that the "natural disasters" only affect the states with supposedly greater number of "climate change deniers"?

Were the residents / governments of some Caribbean islands, where up to 90 percent of houses were destroyed by Beryl, "climate change deniers" and/or could do something to prevent it but didn't, or do "acts of nature" aka "acts of God" aka "natural disasters" mostly depend on geography and not the population's "beliefs"?

https://www.carinsurance.org/car-insurance-coverage-what-are-acts-of-god-and-when-are-they-covered-
829/ - What are 'Acts of God' and when are they covered?
- July 6, 2024

BTW, Texas is the largest provider and consumer of wind energy, and California is largest generator of solar energy... if this is your idea of stopping / preventing climate change.

www.cnn.com - State Farm again is seeking huge increases in home insurance rates in California - CNN, July 2, 2024

I, for one, don't find anything "amusing" about natural disasters and destructions they cause.
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#44 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-07-07 10:14 AM
The media.
www.cnn.com
www.nbcnews.com

Thank you! You just confirmed exactly what I posted in #41 - these articles are from February 2024, when Ukraine was in dire straights and losing people and territory because Putin started his offensive in the time after "Trumpy" instructed his Chief Minion Mike Johnson (R-LA) to stall the Ukraine and Israel funding bills which languished in the House until the end of April 2024,

They aren't building new or better stuff, just trying to build more of the old stuff.

... to produce the munitions for the "old stuff" they sent to Ukraine in the first place.

FTA: |----- "The Pentagon has allocated roughly $3 billion alone to ... ramp up production at home. Some of that money will go toward producing what has become a staple of the war - 155 millimeter artillery shells.

... To meet that demand, the Scranton plant is undergoing a massive expansion, fueled by millions of dollars in new defense spending from the Pentagon. It's investing in new high-tech machinery, hiring a few dozen additional workers and will eventually shift to a 24/7 schedule of constant production.

"It's certainly ramped up over the last year. As we bring in more modern equipment, it'll be able to ramp up even further..."
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To reiterate, money is going to the US manufacturers to upgrade and improve factories that produce whatever "old" and new "stuff" is/will be required.

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#45 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-07-07 10:17 AM
Lives saved, begin deterrence which would have prevented this incursion.

Ah, a humanitarian...

Another lame argument that makes no sense whatsoever.
How many lives were "saved" by 1938 Munich Agreement between Neville Chamberlain and Hitler, which gave Sudetenland, and then Czechoslovakia to Germany and directly led to WWII?

If you need a refresher course, read drudge.com - PEACE FOR OUR TIME-2022

I have said all along NATO expansion was creating a crisis and Putin had to act
US and NATO brought this upon Ukraine through its aggressive expansionist policies.

Now you are just spouting Putin's propaganda, which you can read here in posts of paid Russian troll-bot Effetteposer.

NATO "expansion" happened after 1991 dissolution of Soviet Union, when the former Warsaw Pact and some former Soviet Union Republics countries (like Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania) wanted guarantee of security and protection by NATO from newly formed Russian Federation - they knew well the "expansionary nature" of Russian history and all their wars.

In 1994 Ukraine agreed to give up its nukes for specific assurances from the USA, UK, and Russian Federation to protect its sovereignty and borders. **

No, Putin was not "triggered" and didn't have to act and attack sovereign country, the borders of which were unconditionally recognized in 1994, just as he didn't "have to act" in 2014 by annexing Crimea and sending his "little green men" to Donbas to stir up trouble - as he explained (to Tucker Carlson and before that to anyone willing to listen) that he considered Ukraine and other "former Soviet Union territories" part of Russia - every other excuse (like "Nazis") is a pile of crap. He was not worried about NATO expansion - his own expansion in 2014 was answered by a slap on the wrist, and he expected the same response in 2022.

We learn from history that we learn nothing from history
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#25 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-06 08:11 PM
Depleting military resources when we have recruitment shortages in defense of a country that isn't part of NATO ...

Who gave you an idea that we are "depleting military resources" instead of building new, better ones? And what do "military resources" have to do with "recruitment shortages"? If Ukraine were a part of NATO, it would not be attacked by Putin, as both Finland and Sweden realized - it was attacked precisely because it wasn't part of NATO and has huge land mass and resources that shouldn't become part of Greater Russian Federation... and eventually will become part of NATO and/or EU.

... while a much bigger danger, China, is sitting back and building up its military and is threatening to invade Taiwan ...

And what do you think we are doing? And what [else / different] do you want to do currently about China... that specifically involves Ukraine? How do you think China would see the US abandoning Ukraine - would it weaken or strengthen their resolve to "invade Taiwan"?

I'm just not seeing any kind of end game except for an endless spigot of resources at a time when we have bigger issues to deal with.

That's been one of the most insincere and lamest arguments for abandoning Ukraine... and/or on the other side, abandoning Israel in their war against Iran/Russia ". We always have other big issues to deal with - Putin's War, combined with Iran's proxy wars against Israel and elsewhere in the Middle East, as well as threats by China are some of the biggest there are at the moment.

You can't possibly be so naive to think that if we abandon [even parts of] Ukraine, who are not asking for much except for weapons, ammo and assistance (apparently same things "mighty" Russia is asking from its benefactors) that our "bigger" issues suddenly become smaller, unless you can specifically point out how abandoning Ukraine (as well as losing any sense of dignity, international reputation and overall security) will solve the supposedly "bigger issues."

If it's just about money, then (with annual $4T+ budget, with $1.5T+ deficit) we surely can cut somewhere on "smaller" issues, like "student loan forgiveness," "trains to nowhere" or other make-work programs, where our military and international strength is not affected, or questioned - that's how you deal with China, Iran and other potential invaders and troublemakers.

I'm not even opposed to supporting Ukraine against this act of pure aggression.

Oh, good. Then how do you suggest we should be "supporting Ukraine against this act of pure aggression"? "Emotional" support? "Trumpy" undisclosed top-secret "24-hour-to-end-the-war-solution"? Pushing Ukraine to accept Putin-Orban-Erdogan-Xi-proposed "ceasefire" aka "peace for our times" plans?

We are fighting a proxy war against a nuclear-armed country

Another old and lame argument that RT, Russia 1 TV propagandists and Russian internet trolls keep using almost daily. Does that mean that we should just give Putin whatever he wants... now... and in the future?

Putin has been warned by China and India that nukes are off the table in Ukraine or his [already limited] support will be cut off, and warned by NATO that his forces in Ukraine and elsewhere will be obliterated in days by conventional forces - so Putin himself actually understands that Ukraine is itself a "proxy" of several nuclear powers, the USA and some European NATO countries.

What is the end game? Do we have a cap?

Seriously? Cap? In a war? War elsewhere that cost us peanuts so far, and already improved our military in so many ways? What is the price of "Cold Peace" if Ukraine loses?
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