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This is how not to win elections:

www.nytimes.com

How Chaos in Kenosha Is Already Swaying Some Voters in Wisconsin
As residents see fires and looting, some worry that local Democratic leaders are failing to keep control of the situation.

The unrest in faraway places like Portland, Ore., and Minneapolis had arrived at his doorstep, after a white police officer on Sunday shot a Black man in the back multiple times. And after feeling "100 percent on the fence" about who he will vote for in November, he is increasingly nervous that Democratic state leaders seem unable to contain the spiraling crisis.

"It's crazy that it's now happening in my home city," he said. "We have to have a serious conversation about what are we going to do about it. It doesn't seem like the powers that be want to do much."

The politically calculated warnings of President Trump and the Republican Party about chaos enveloping America should Democrats win in November are reverberating among some people in Kenosha, a small city in the southeast corner of one of the most critical states in this election, where protests have raged for a number of increasingly combustible nights.

And some Democrats, nervous about condemning the looting because they said they understood the rage behind it (???? - really?), worried that what was happening in their town might backfire and aid the president's re-election prospects.

... On Wednesday night, in response to the shooting, athletes from the N.B.A., W.N.B.A., Major League Baseball and Major League Soccer refused to participate in games. (???? - and this does what and helps how?)
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So, "Yes, your business, lifetime of work and your savings are gone in smoke, and you are up to your neck in debt, but you gotta undestand the rage... as I do." and These athletes, they are well paid to entertain you, but come on, man, they feel your pain and everybody's pain and they stand up against brutality, so that's why your previously scheduled break from repeatedly watching the "news" about brutality has been cancelled."

Yep, that's how you lose the elections, or at least make them closer than they ever should have been and give rise to charges of "rigging" or "fraud."
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#29 | Posted by lamplighter at 2020-08-08 10:57 PM |

...shows that you are quite concerned about identity politics.

Not really, I find it silly, but sensitive for many people and, with rare exceptions, hurtful and damaging - that's my only viewpoint on the subject and that's why I generally don't discuss identity politics. Here I just stumbled into it inadvertently because while I wanted to make clear certain issues of TikTok, I expressed this one too broadly and unclearly.

If I may suggest to you, if you really want to promote what you view as "your viewpoint" just STOP POSTING.

As I said, I am not really "promoting" my views on identity politics, AT BEST it would be a waste of time. These arguments don't convince anyone of anything and are likely only to hurt feelings. And I seldom post as it is, on any subject.

You are not fulfilling the task you think you are fulfilling.

I don't have a "task" to fulfill - I am not here on behalf of any person, organization, government or political party. I just wanted to clear some misconceptions about TikTok by posting some facts that thread seemed to lack.

No one was asking the same questions about Pokemon Go or many modern MPRGs, and they all collect huge amounts of personal data, often on servers located in... Venezuela, where only 62% of people have access to Internet. For example, 4 Colocation Venezuela data centers have data servers from AT&T, CenturyLink, GlobeNet etc.

You are not asking "why Venezuela?" because you know why - it's one of the cheapest colocation places available. Just waiting to be "banned" by US President?

Iceland is cold, has a lot of cheap and "green" renewable energy so there is a boom of data miners and bitcoin / altcoin data centers there. Where does it go from there?

#20 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-08-08 09:47 PM |
@#18 ... are White Americans ...
Interesting that you phrase it as such.

LOL I knew I would get in "trouble" as soon as I posted - let me clarify. Many people today are either sensitive to "labels" or demand "identity" to be included. What I meant was that the upper management and part of development team are NOT "Asian-Americans" who, by many, in today's political climate are being treated or looked at with suspicion as [potential] Chinese spies, particularly in academia or "sensitive" areas of research or government. Hope it's clear that it was not meant as a slur and should have been better expressed in original post.

But who has access to the data on those server, i.e., where does the data go subsequently?

The data in the giant data centers in the countries and areas that I mentioned, along with the data of other companies - if you watched "Silicon Valley" series you would know how it's managed and that access is pretty limited. These are not "proxy servers" like VPNs, for example. TikTok has no means of redirecting data servers streams after the data is stored.

We can always play "six/two/many degrees of separation" about the data servers, but the likelyhood of that (mostly pretty immatereal and encrypted) huge amount of data going to China (or NSA for that matter) for some reason is about slim to none - there are much better ways to get specifically needed isolated data stream that shuffle through petabytes of unlinked data. If anything, due to where the data servers are, as I've already described, it's more likely to be turned over on the request of US or other Western government than it would be to China.

As far as TikTok being a "platform" that can be used for propaganda purposes, it's been far more benign than some of the more "mature" social platforms like Facebook, Reddit, Twitter etc. From what little I've read, the old-time conservatives (those not infected by Trump-virus) are liking TikTok more than most social networks because it's "unspoiled" by propaganda, in part due to its wide use by kids wanting to have fun, so they are targeted by ad content accordingly.

#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-08-08 03:23 PM |
tik-tok is just as bad, except that it sends the data it collects to servers in China.

Actually, no. Their servers are well known, in the USA, Canada, Europe and some in Asia. US data is not collected in Asia.

The president and several of VPs of TickTok and part of their software development team are White Americans and citizens of USA - easy to check. While the source code is obviously not open, the servers and where the data goes and stored are well known.

TikTok is now offering refunds to clients for the ads they presold while they now may not be able to show because they come from US servers and they have to uproot some infrastructure to outside of US and her possible "allies" in Trump's Bizarro world.

The "ban" and Trump's "war on China" is a distraction from Trump being all but an official agent of Czar Emperor Vlad (Putin) because it's a populist "tough on China" device and attitude that's currently popular with both liberals and now "Trump conservatives" (whatever the hell it is.)

What Trump is doing with this indiscriminate insane idiocy is actually just going to speed up the development of "native" (or at least non-US-based) infrastructure, not only by Chinese but also Europeans and some Asian countries because they understand that they no longer can count on sane US policies, and are vulnerable if Trump or another US "King" decides to use the American digital infrastructure to press them on trade or other issues.

This "strategy" is already backfiring and, if continued by Biden administration (and beyond), will eventually lead to the loss or greatly diminished influence of the US technology and diplomacy and possible isolation of US tech companies and US standing in the world.

Trump is a sledgehammer when it comes to being a "negotiator" - to him everything looks like a nail, that's all he knows, whether it's his illegal Polish contractors or other countries. He doesn't understand what "soft power" means or the value of it. As such, he is most likely to abuse the power he either has or imagines he has.

"Power corrupts, and absolute power tends to corrupt absolutely."

#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-08-08 03:23 PM |
tik-tok is just as bad, except that it sends the data it collects to servers in China.

Actually, no. Their servers are well known, in the USA, Canada, Europe and some in Asia. US data is not collected in Asia.

The president and several of VPs and of TickTok and part of their software development team are White Americans and citizens of USA - easy to check. While the source code is obviously not open, the servers and where the data goes and stored are well known.

TikTok is now offering refunds to clients for the ads they presold while they now may not be able to show because they come from US servers and they have to uproot some infrastructure to outside of US and her possible "allies" in Trump's Bizarro world.

The "ban" and Trump's "war on China" is a distraction from Trump being all but an official agent of Czar Emperor Vlad (Putin) because it's a populist "tough on China" device and attitude that's currently popular with both liberals and now "Trump conservatives" (whatever the hell it is.)

What Trump is doing with this indiscriminate insane idiocy is actually just going to speed up the development of "native" (or at least non-US-based) infrastructure, not only by Chinese but also Europeans and some Asian countries because they understand that they no longer can count on sane US policies, and are vulnerable if Trump or another US "King" decides to use the American digital infrastructure to press them on trade or other issues.

Trump is a sledgehammer when it comes to being a "negotiator" - to him everything looks like a nail, that's all he knows, whether it's his illegal Polish contractors or other countries. He doesn't understand what "soft power" means or the value of it. As such, he is most likely to abuse the power he either has or imagines he has.

"Power corrupts, and absolute power tends to corrupt absolutely."

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