#9 If Russia attacks NATO for arming Ukraine that's the same logic you're pushing here. You're saying that unprovoked attacks on possible enemy suppliers are legitimate,even when no state of war exists between the two states involved. If Putin were to follow your logic he would bomb Raytheon and Lockheed Martin. It puts non combatants in harm's way and is frankly,a douche move.

Israel is dead wrong on this. They know it too. That's why they are denying responsibility.

Preemptive attacks are war crimes. No state of war exists.

Israelis,are breaking the law.

We should punish them by withholding their free money.

Moochers shouldn't be war criminals. Preemptive strikes are an illegal act unless it's the Jooes.

Or the US,or NATO.

Other countries don't get the same consideration from the "rules based order".

They get sanctioned or worse.

That's the reason for the increased cost of premiums based on income and assets.

Make it equally onerous regardless of income or wealth. Elon Musk's premiums would be about ten million dollars per gun. Maybe more. That's how they roll on traffic fines in Finland. It works too.

Elizabeth Bathory tried this in the sixteenth century. She bathed daily in the blood of Virgins. It didn't work.

I saw his picture, it isn't working for this fool either.

Some Rich people think they can buy off death and infirmity indefinitely.

They are always wrong, and usually, evil as well.

This guy is a vain turd.

Make the premium's ten thousand dollars a year per gun, with a sliding scale so the rich pay more. Lots more. Oh, and make ammo 1000 dollars a box.

Not a f*g,so that would be no. Are you?

----------,Big truck.Simple pimple.

Everyone I know with a big truck,has multiple guns and is scared of everything.

Ukraine is Not a democracy. The Maidan was the last nail in it's coffin.

Civil war disenfranchised, the entire eastern quarter of the country. The most populated and economically developed area in Ukraine.

Some might say that makes the government in Kiev illegitimate.

Like if the east coast was excluded from US elections,would the outcome reflect the democratic will of the people,or the wishes of a divided and unstable section of the electorate?

It was put There because the Western stooges installed after the Maidan coup insisted on putting it in. They had no power before they got in as a result of electoral malfeasance and violence.

FIFY, you can thank me later.

I feel so relieved to live in such an Exceptional Nation. Getting murdered by a stranger at a strip Mall is my life's ambition. It's freedom incarnate.

Suicide is so much easier when even your personal physician is banned from talking about guns. His freedom of speech is so rightfully less important than the rights of gun manufacturers to sell arms without any pushback.

American ways are the best,we have the body count to prove it.

So the Ukrainian government could just roll over and you know,give peace a chance, instead of Mooching billions for fun and profit,killing hundreds of thousands of their"own" people and losing anyway.

Lol.

That is would be very dumb. Then Turkey would Ally officially with Russia giving them access to the southern black sea. Also a staging area for missiles aimed at Europe and the ME.

Other benefits would be the precedent of having fractured NATO for political reasons.

Just a real loser of an idea.

That's total Crap. The Ukrainian constitution explicitly says that NATO membership is a primary goal of the state. It's enshrined there.

I knew this would would happen. Turkey will never allow Sweden to join NATO.

That's been on obvious from the jump. All the reasons given are excuses.

He's in the bag for Putin. I've been saying so all along.

We'd have to be at war to for Tuckem's to be a Quisling.

We're not at war. So aspirations are all Tuckem's has.

Lol.

Dude, your mind is Sick,and will lead you straight to Hell. Just like Saddam.

Racist... Nonsensical....unable to see reality,only delusions.

All I know is there are swastikas spray painted all over the graveyards and walls in Poland. I saw them myself in 1996. It was bizarre given the Nazi occupation and all the bad things associated with that.

Nazis everwhur.

How do you spell, Multipolar World? Alex.

How do you know this? Sources? C'mon man get real.

Negotiate a cease fire and give it time to cool off. What's the rush?

Oh yeah, the coalition might not be as solid as it seems,there's that,and the sanctions aren't as effective as they could be.

A cease fire would also make the goldfish like attention span of most Americans believe the war was over and a great victory for Ukraine no matter what happened.

So they know they only get one bite at this.

I don't see Americans going the distance. We're fair weather Warriors.

Real War is just so draining,and boring. Americans just want easy fun and profit.

Real sacrifice?

Get the he ---- out of here!!

Hint...... it wasn't UNPROVOKED. That's the lamest talking point of all.

Provoked or not it was a HUGE MISTAKE. Putin is no genius.

But now he's In it, he's in to Win it. And that is not a good thing for Humanity.

Damage control is negotiating a settlement so the war can be resume later, hopefully, much later.

Total victory isn't in the cards,this war is showing the limits of both sides.

If Biden wanted to do the same thing? With carefully tweaked talking points?

Would NATO have behaved differently? Credibility matters, Trump had none.

Bush got a lot of support for Iraq. Mostly the UK, but still.

Iraq was just as indefensible as Ukraine. But not to most Americans.

Down the road,win or lose, the Russians will see this war as having been necessary.

Because it's not just about the Ukraine.

#82 How long would that support last if tens of thousands of Americans were coming home in body bags?

Money and obsolete weapons systems are not somebody's kid. It's Chickenhawk
half assed support.

Ask the American people if they want to send loved ones to DIE for Ukraine. Then you'll know the depth of the real support for helping Ukraine.

If the US invaded Venezuela,or Iran,would NATO even blink? NATO is a rubber stamp for US imperial aspirations. NATO helps with most US "interventions",I won't call them wars because they're all done in the spirit of righteousness.

For Humanity's best interests.

Russia isn't with the program. That's a huge threat to US prestige and NATO security promises.

NATO is just the flavor of the day. It's empty promise of "security" is seen as more untenable with passing time.

In many ways this war is just as existential for NATO as it is for Russia or the Ukraine. If Russia Wins against the full weight of NATO backing and sanctions, NATO is seen less as invincible and imposing and more as confining and limiting the freedom of action of it's members.

The US has the most to lose. If would rightly be seen as all Mouth and little real substance if Russia were to achieve it's objectives in Ukraine.

So the risk of wider European war is Huge.

Given the stakes on both sides.

#70 How many protests were there against WW2? The US population saw that as existential so they just got to work building arms and fighting.

Russia right or wrongly,see this war as existential. They are behaving like it's a world war already. They aren't playing. NATO started out thinking this was controllable. That was poor judgement.

The Russians are fighting like it's the world against them. As far as NATO goes,they are.

The economic strangle that the West intended to put on Russia has largely been ineffective and self injurious.

Russia has too much ---- the world needs,oil,gas,timber, nitrogen fertilizer,rare Earth's. Agriculture.

The West is learning limits too.