It's pretty amazing. 10,000 people per day crossing the border in Georgia. And that's just Georgia.

I was in Finland last week when the order was first given, and lines at the border crossings started cueing up quickly.

Finns aren't the biggest fans of Russians.

#21

It has nothing to do with that, Komrade.

If you can complete the tasks assigned by your employer in a shorter time than they have allotted, it would be wasteful for you to stick around at the jobsite for the duration of that time.

But if you're doing work that is not task based-like a cashier or cook, then no. There is not value in paying you the same amount of money for a smaller amount of labor.

"The reason they think violence is warranted is because of the very fact that that's the only way to get him back into office."

And?

The oath taken by every military officer, and I think pretty much every other official is to support and defend the constitution, against all enemies, foreign AND domestic.

Trying to overthrow a constitutional government is going to get you on the wrong side of a whole lot of forces that you don't want to be on the wrong side of.

In short, it would be a futile act. It would likely be an act of suicide for many.

"You support a fascist, it's undeniable, so your only defense is "well you support a fascist too!" without any evidence of said fascism."

I don't support a fascist.

You do though? Right?

Aren't you a B-Bro?

"We are a democracy idiot. We vote for our representatives. Your fascist cult lost under that system so they tried to end it."

No. We are a constitutional republic. And had the events on 1/6 gone to the Supreme Court, and they had determined it to be constitutional (just assume for the sake of this academic discussion), then Trump would have been the legal president according to the constitution. And anyone who didn't like it would be an enemy of the constitution. And if they pressed the matter, subject to the full weight of all branches of government.

But this should be a lesson to you as well. Because the right to guns is protected by the constitution. The electoral college is protected. The right to provate property is protected. And yes, even being rich is probably protected.

So, you may not like these things, but you will ------- accept them. Because they are protected. Or pit yourself against all of those who took an oath to support and defend the constitution.

"Ethics. Morals. Respect for humanity."

This is why you would leave them in Texas?

Maybe they can go live in your house in CA and you can go live in a shelter in TX.

"So what's the value of the nutritionist or nurse practitioner who tells the patient to lay off the double cheeseburgers, and thus obviating the need for the heart surgeon?"

Let's pull that thread.

Could a heart surgeon suggest that someone lay off the double cheeseburgers? I think so.

Could a nutritionist or nurse practitioner perform open heart surgery? No.

ECON 101, m'man. Or whatever your preferred pronouns are.

"They're not the ones picking where these migrants get shipped. Your party is the one shipping them to the dumbest places."

So what is stopping your party from shipping them to less dumb places?

Could it be the less-dumb places are full of people who are like you and may not want a bunch of poor brown people running around?

"The biggest one is we didn't try to overthrow democracy."

There is no democracy to overthrow.

And you advocate insensately for overthrowing this constitutional republic.

"We also arent so stupid that Qanon idiocy thrives on our side."

If you've bought into the idea that the poor are that way because of rich people, you share a similar intellectual capacity to those who think the Qanonsense is real.

We also didn't become the cult of a fascist con man.

How do you characterize Comrade Bernie? Historically, a capitalist who called himself a socialist was almost certainly a fascist. Mussolini? Hitler?

I could do this all day.

"Whatever this woman is complaining about, she provides zero new ideas. She has no new path forward."

She wasn't complaining. She was criticizing DeSantis's policies on sending asylum seekers to some place where they would have nothing to do in an attempt to send a political message.

Had Desantis sent them up there in April, it may have been a different story.

"They see something that makes them mad, and they decide it must have an easy fix and they're being ignored when their stupid ideas get ignored."

Who is mad?

"Should they have a choice in the matter, or should they simply be told that farm labor is a condition of their asylum?"

A choice?

No. Not really. Not unless that choice is going to provide a better output for the taxpayers than the one the government would have chosen.

But they do ultimately have a choice to go back to where they came from.

"Ask your party's "leaders."

Why wouldn't I ask your party's leaders? Aren't they in charge?

"And your party loves him for it."

How is your party any better?

"They're eligible to work in the United States?"

I think so. They were all asylum-seekers.

Asylum seekers are, by definition, in the country temporarily and legally. If they are not granted asylum, they are sent out of the US. If they are granted asylum, they are permitted to stay legally in the US until such time that it is determined they can return to their country of origin.

It may be different in the US, but refugees in Europe are permitted to legally work.

#16

On Smerconish the other day, there was a woman complaining about migrants being sent to Martha's Vineyard. And he had a point. The summer season is over. Probably not much going on there.

But further west in Minnesota, farmers were having trouble finding people to harvest crops. She suggested they be sent there, where they actually could be put to work.

And I closer to France. And you do have more than enough idiots in whatever -------- you come from. You count as several, actually.

I wonder how many of those 13 million poeple would be willing to stand up and fight to overthrow the constitution?

I say that because there is no constitutional measure (other than re-election) for DJT to be reinstates as president.

At the same time, I wonder how many there are in the US who would be willing to use force to prevent him from being reinstated if he did win a future presidential election?

"And you've got it fantastically backwards."

You've both got it backwards.

Income is a direct reflection of labor value, which is determined by the demand for the type of labor you are able to provide relative to the supply of the same. As the scarcity of your particular type of labor increases, so do the wages. As the demand for labor decreases, so do wages.

If you're an unskilled worker, you're competing in a market that includes the vast majority of humans on this planet. And wages will reflect that. If you're a heart surgeon, there aren't many people who can do your job, which means that wages will remain high in order to compensate you for the effort it took to become a surgeon, as well as incentivizing you to keep doing that work.

But hospitals would be more than happy to pay surgeons minimum wage. The markets just won't bear it.

This was your econ lesson for the day. You're welcome.

"Why not go to a 2-day, 12-hour work week?"

If an employee is able to complete the tasks they have been assigned by their employer, does it really matter how long it takes them?

If they were able to do in 12 hours what had been planned for 40 hours, it would seem to me the employer would simply be wasting 28 hours in the office at the further expense of the employer.

At the same time, if you can't get your assigned tasks done in 40 hours, it's reasonable to expect that you stay as long as you need to in order to get it done.

#9

Labor is most definntely not a commodity. It has the organic ability to differentiate that true commodities do not. Dry edible beans can't turn into corn when the price of corn increases.

But labor does behave as a commodity at any given time. At least mostly. Some employers may view someone who has graduated from an elite college or have some other unique attribute with no utilitarian value as being differentiated.

But at the end of the day, a ditch digger can become a doctor.

"One surprise for most participating organizations was the support from partners and clients, "or, at worst, [they] take the attitude, 'So long as the work gets done, who cares how long it takes?'"

I don't think I have ever had a boss who was like "here is your task. Take as long as you need."

If I'm at a restaurant waiting for my lunch to come out, I definitely care about how long it takes. I've got a job to get back to.

I like your use of the phrase "The people control the government here."

Reminds me off the signs that the ELZN commies post in the areas of Mexico they occupy.

"Where do you get this crap? The people control the government here. The people ARE the government here."

Actually, it's governed by the constitution. Which a framing document that defines the limits of governmental power.

You could put forth a ridiculously popular ballot measure, but if it doesn't pass constitutional muster than it will never become law.

And rightly so.

Why not send them to places where they can be put to work?

The United States is not a democracy. It is a constitutional republic, and as such, is inherently undemocratic. And rightly so.

To put "democratic" values above constitutional rule would make you no better than the 1/6 rioters.