"This is why Black Lives Matter."

Black lives matter?

Officer lives matter!

#20

Yeah...so I went and dug in a bit deeper. I'm going to retract my previous statements. The cops were idiots who should have been cleaning up puke in the drunk tank.

When taken in full, the behavior of the LT can probably be explained by fear, rather than arrogance or a sense of superiority.

I suspect the cops are done though...their own sense of superiority has sealed their fate.

...And anyone who has ever spent time in the military knows that JO's are the most devious little ------------- on the government payroll. The Lieutenant mafia is a force to be reckoned with.

"Have you read they're finding that COVID can not only leave organ or vascular damage, but also psychological effects in 1/3 of the 250,000 patients they followed post-infection?"

Not yet, but right now a "long-term" effect from the vaccine is only going to be several months. And that's common. You and I both know people who were still having strange symptoms a month after the vaccine.

Let's wait and see what the world looks like a year from now, because remember, in April of 2020, "long COVID" was yet to come into existence.

"One wouldn't think dudes in the military would be afraid of a vaccine tens of millions of elderly people have already received."

I don't think it's fear. But why take something that is going to make you feel like ---- for a few days when you don't have to, and don't really need to?

What's the point?

The only reason I'm going to take the goddamn thing is because it simplifies my travel schedule. I'm more worried about getting hurt on my morning commute than I am of COVID. They can inject me with sugar water for all I care...provided it makes my life easier. That's the real benefit.

But if you live in the states where there are less restrictions than here in Europe, there is less incentive to get a vaccine. It simply doesn't do much for a whole lotta people.

"It's puzzling why the military doesn't require this vaccination for active duty troops."

They can't. It's still a non-approved, experimental treatment. Throughout modern history, unethical medical experimentation has been frowned upon, regardless of who the victim was. And it's poor optics when you're telling military members who are at little risk from the condition in question that they must take an experimental treatment.

That will change if/when the FDA approves the different vaccines. Then they will be obligated to take the vaccine whether they want to or not.

"The whole idea is to stop the spread."

Why?

The old and the sick are mostly vaccinated, and exposure is just another way to move towards herd immunity.

Marines were some of the first military members to be offered the opportunity to participate in COVID vaccine studies early on. And it literally makes sense if you look at that demographic. The odds of one of them dying of COVID is infinitely less than dying as a result of some other military activity.

"Again: WTF are you talking about? What studies have shown "long-term effects" from getting the C19 vaccine? Link, please."

You're not aware of these? Intermittent body aches and fevers for weeks following the vaccine? I personally know more people who went to the ER as a result of the side-effects of the vaccine than I know who went to the ER for COVID.

So here is what I can tell you. When I go into my office, I don't hear people complaining about what COVID did to them. I hear them complaining about the effects of the vaccine. And if you're young and healthy and looking at your peers, and listening to your peers, that is going to be a deterrent to getting the vaccine.

I know this thing scares you, but for the vast majority of people, including most Marines, the biggest threat from COVID is from people like you who equate this thing to some sort of modern day black plague.

"In other words, despite breaking with the union, the union's presence ultimately got them a better standard of life."

Depending on the union, there are actually some pretty significant benefits for employers. Most trade unions have a standardized training process, which ensures some level of labor quality. Union shops also have the ability to pull labor from other shops when big jobs come down.

But, it's employees, not employers who determine when a shop becomes unionized. And unfortunately being beholden to the union is not so different than being beholden to the mob.

"Stop right there. He signed the agreement, representing 50% (at least) of the interests. Why is he not equally responsible for the results?"

Because the unions don't promote on merit, at least not merits as it applies for the firm.

If my buddy had that authority, his employees would be promoted based on how well they worked for the company. Not how long they had been part of the union. It hurts the firm because it doesn't allow the employer to effective reward employees for hard work. He has the ability to provide some pay increases, but any meaningful promotion comes through the union. It also hurts those employees who work hard, but aren't promoted due to union policy.

#27

You were in an accountants union?

"#10 - Sure you did. His "superiors" couldn't even agree on what he should do. Everyone on here of both parties agrees, even LEO here agree, but not you. Contrarian, or just a lover of authoritarianism?"

Had he just followed orders instead of asking questions, do you think this would have turned out differently?

Or should there be a waiting period where the cops wait and politely answer whatever questions suspects might be throwing their way.

I know that if I get pulled over, I don't argue. I do exactly what I'm told...when I'm told. And if at the conclusion of the event I feel like I have been treated unfairly, that's when I would lodge a complaint.

"Cops are not my supiorers, they are my servants."

Years ago, when I was a cadet, I was with a major and we tried to talk our way on to an aircraft carrier to look around. I stayed back while the major went up and talked to the guard. He came back a few minutes later and said the guard would not let us on. I half-jokingly reminded the major that he far outranks the guard. The major replies. No, he has a gun. Anyone with a gun outranks me.

"That's the risk we're trying to eliminate."

Why?

You spread it to other Marines who will go home and cough it off?

I think GONOLES92 comes closest to nailing it in regards to lost man days due to quarantine...but you're not going to lose Marines from COVID.

But in the end, there is nothing the USMC can do about that. If they choose not to take the vaccine, that's their right. It would be nice if commanders had the ability to incentivize getting the vaccine, eliminating mask mandates in meetings and offices-that sort of thing-but SECDEF ordered that masks will be worn within all DoD facilities. I think that policy may be with us for years.

"My SIL is a newly-retired pathologist. My brother, a retired doctor and former Apollo scientist. They'd laugh at your conclusion."

Cool. They can laugh at whatever they want to laugh at.

It doesn't change a bit the fact that the drug is not FDA approved, and as such the DoD has no right to order Service Members to take it. Period.

And let's be honest, what I do hear a lot about are the long-term effects of getting the COVID vaccine, not to mention the immediate effects, where for many are worse than the disease itself.

"You must've missed the report 1/3rd of Covid survivors have psychological or neurological disorders. From CNN:"

So...speaking for myself, my family, and pretty much everyone I know...COVID was something that they went home and coughed off for a couple of days. Maybe they twitched for a month or so after as well. The bottom line is that when these Marines are conducting their own individual risk calculus, which they are infinitely better at than you are, many determine that there's not a pressing need to get the vaccine. And I 100% agree with them.

I think I am going to get it this week...but for me it's different. I live in a virtual prison at the moment. The COVID vaccine appears to be the key to unlock it.

I watched the video. Had the LT just done what he was told, he wouldn't have had issues. Instead, he keeps questioning the cops as to what is going on.

When a cop draws a gun on you, you don't question them. You do what you're told and figure the rest out later.

I wonder if he questions his superiors when being given orders.

"They don't want to be part of the means of production except as a serf beholden to the company."

Is it better to be s serf beholden to a company, or a serf beholden to a union boss?

A good friends of mine is the president of a manufacturing company that's unionized. He writes the paychecks, but it's the unions who determine promotions and payment.

It doesn't matter that much to him, but it does limit his ability to promote good workers within the organization based on merit...which the union isn't as interested in.

My brother owns an electrical company that was union for about a decade. The employees voted to break with the union. It was a better deal for them.

I guess every service is different, but the seminar I sat through didn't have anything to do with White Supremacy. The focus was on generic extremism and the oath of office

I guess every service is different, but the seminar I sat through didn't have anything to do with White Supremacy. The focus was on generic extremism and the oath of office

"It must be the new Marine Corps. When I was in, you were government property. I did three WESTPAC's on the USS Midway. Each time I was given a myriad of shots for everything possible. Declining a shot wasn't an option."

It's not new.

Unless they were injecting you with experimental medical treatments that had yet to be properly vetted and authorized.

Once they are properly vetted and authorized, Service Members will have less of a choice in whether or not they can opt out.

And if you're a Marine, you're not really at risk. The service has seen around 20k cases, several hundred hospitalizations, and zero deaths. There's probably not a lot of incentive for them to take an experimental vaccine for something that doesn't pose much of a threat.

I'm sorry...I feel like a phrased that as a question rather than a directive. Which probably confused you.

So just shine the ------- shoes

Just make sure the shoes have a good shine...m'kay, princess?

#4

Who is scared?

You, or them?

It would seem most likely you're the one who is going back in to hiding.

"This is why I plonked this fkkking idiot."

Plonked me?

You're the most adorable shoe shiner I know.

Watch the socks.

#297

That's fair.

Just acknowledge the hundreds or millions of deaths that "socialism" has caused before unilaterally demand that someone else accept it.

...this is where having attended an econ course or two would have been of benefit to you. Or history.

But don't let none of that convince you that you're wrong. You ain't need no larnin bout this