"The People protested shining a bright light on the case and the courts followed the Law and forced Trumpy and his acolytes to follow the Law."

That shining bright light was focused on an illegal immigrant who was abusive to his wife. Maybe a gang member.

This is the hill you guys want to die on?

I also watch the BBC occasionally. Pretty they don't believe the maga lies you are currently spouting.

Because it's outside the realm of possibility that Good hit the ICE officer?

She had been so rational and calm up to that point?

"That's not why. Courts have ruled they can be deported anywhere."

Um, no.

Ya Boi Kilmar is still in the US because a judge ordered he could not be deported to El Salvador due to a perceived threat to his well-being.

Why do you think ya boi Kilmar is still here in the US?

"MadBomber's answer to MadBomber's question, are ICE agents emotionally inolved in the arrests they make is: Yes."

Unlike sadness, happiness, anger, jealousy, or any other emotion, fear is the cognitive response to threats within an environment.

You can use deadly force when faced with an adversary who creates a climate of fear. You can't do the same because you are angry or jealous of them.

And neither Pretti or Good appeared to be acting out of fear, but rather anger.

"Based on the accusation alone? Or are you afforded some form of Due Process?"

No. 90 days after my residency expires, I must be out of the country. Which is what will happen with my daughter.

There may be some sort of immigration court she could go in front of, but without a residency permit she would not be allowed to stay. It would just be a delaying tactic.

"But as long as I live this will never be Germany."

Meaning what.

You don't want the US to be a country that requires valid entry credentials?

"Why do you support sending people to camps, rather than just sending them away?"

Great point Snoofster. I don't know.

I suspect it's because they have to figure out where they came from. But I don't know.

"Sounds like you believe fear is actually the core value of policing!"

And other forms of combat.

It's kept a lot of people alive. That's why it occurs in most people.

I won't go to jail, but they're not just going to be like, "you're cool, feel free to stay as long as you like."

"I am saying that the immigrants who have civil infractions should be also treated like drivers who have civil infractions."

That's a policy issue, but here in Germany, there are civil infractions that will get me booted out of the country. Like not having valid entry credentials.

"You believe in lies."

The BBC disagrees.

And the ICE agent had previously suffered serious injuries in a similar situation.

"They were protesting against the inhumane treatment of other humans. They were not "------- around"."

Was Ashli Babbitt ------- around, or was that yet another example of out-of-control law enforcement?

"Drivers who violate traffic laws are not arrested beaten thrown in detention centers separated from their families and children and then sent to a country they have never been in and cannot even speak the language."

So...you're saying that these people should be able to stay in the country illegally?

How about the drivers? If they don't want to get a license or insurance, should they still be allowed to drive?

#93

Technically, it was Renee Good. Not Goode. But I knew who you meant.

"The goy who killed Goode called her a ------- bitch immediately after gunning her down."

Yeah. The guy she ran in to.

#89

And Alex Pretti.

#87

Yeah. I've seen the videos. And I can 100% see how those officers would have considered Goodman and Pretti to pose an existential threat. Like Ashli Babbitt, they ------ around and found out.

They were not obligated to ---- around. They chose to.

#84

I think you mistake me.

I am absolutely for immigration. Whether it's someone doing yard work, or someone who is going to help Elon put a man on Mars.

But it's got to be done legally.

It's like driving. You don't just get to drive because you want to drive. And I'm sure you can agree that police should not be able to grant drivers the right to drive without valid credentials, just because they are good drivers.

My daughter is 19 and lives at home with me. When she turns 21, she will longer fall under my residency status. She will have 90 days to leave the country.

Is that a cruel policy. At that time, she will have lived here more than any other place in her life. Nine years. And you would regard it as cruelty if the German government required her to go back to the US???

"I ask you to define what "open borders" means specifically. Otherwise we cannot discuss it reasonably."

Of course. Meaning you don't require any sort of entry credentials to enter the country.

Like, if I want to cross from Canada or Mexico into the US at land borders, there is no checkpoint to control entry. If I am entering the US through an airport, I don't need to go through passport control. If I wanted to fly a plane from eastern Russia into western Alaska, I would be free to do so without any intrusion, other than what would relate from safety of flight requirements.

"A policy of hate and cruelty and revenge and retribution."

How so?

You think ICE agents are emotionally involved in the arrests they make?

Is all Lw Enforcement?

"Tell us if its an open border or a closed border. Tell us the when throughout history that status has changed."

It's always been closed.

Immigrants landing at Ellis Island could be deported for one of the four reasons: Diseases, Idiocy/Insanity, Loathsomeness, and likely to become a public charge.

Most cases fell under "likely to become a public charge."

"So you justify 1 in 40 of them going to the United States?"

It's not up to me to justify. It's just curious why they choose an illegal path, when so many legal ones exist.

My guess is that, in the US, you have a significant bloc of the population that is open to allowing illegal immigration. That is something that seems unique to the US.

"Because Trumpy "changed the policy". And you are loving it. But safely from a distance. Apparently."

Oh no, dude. Germany is at least as restrictive as the US.

The difference is that, if I were to be here without valid crednetials allowing me to be here, there would be no one demanding that the government let me stay, or rioting because they arrested me for deportation.

"I'm talking about people like Kilmar."

Was he in the country legally?

Yes, or no?

"I am curious. How do you justify that in your mind?"

The US is one of around 40 nations that are considered "developed." Why not go to one of the other 39?

"I am curious. How do you justify that in your mind?"

The US is one of around 40 nations that are considered "developed." Why not go to one of the other 39?