"How can they say this with a straight face, when people cross the border without authorization, and recieve work authorization? Are they against that? NO."

Correct - for them, it is just about changing the definition of 'illegal'

"Lumpers say stuff like this, then complain and protest what is going on in Florida. They really don't want to go after employers, they just want to say that.
#130 | Posted by oneironaut"

What I see is even more insidious. They want to place punishments on employers and then make checking and enforcing by the employer impossible. They do this by whenever an employer attempts to check legal status, they claim discrimination and threaten to sue. They have done this dozens of times now. The reality is that they want to pay this 'solely blame the employer' game because they wanted nothing to be done on the border itself because ultimately, THEY WANT MASS ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. There is no longer any doubt about this.

How many of the --------- on this site blamed the border problem on Trump blocking a deal in Congress so Biden's hands were tied? The main assumptions they always stated (because the lying Democrats told them this was the case) was that the President can't do anything on immigration with an act of Congress.

Well, Trump just proved this 100% wrong. How many have since admitted they were lied to and apologized for perpetuating this talking point? None. Why? Because they knew it was a -------- excuse and never wanted to solve the problem.

"This is the only logical conclusion. Even Bernie Sanders when I first learned about him, and supported him took a similar logical position.
#129 | Posted by oneironaut"

This was the standard Democrat position before they went insane. In the past, Democrats wanted a closed border because their union base knew that illegals destroyed the value of labor - especially in the trades. And that is exactly what has happened. Framing, roofing, etc - the 'unskilled' trade jobs - all went after the illegals to lower costs.

The result is what you saw in 2024 - the labor 'bosses' still support the Dems because they are lining their own pockets but the union MEMBERS increasing are abandoning the Democrats because they see the destruction and impact firsthand.

Now - the question is: will Danforth be man enough to admit it? If so, I welcome him to MAGA, we can fix his remaining mental shortfalls.

"Your remember stuff from a couple of years before you joined this site?
#42 | Posted by REDIAL"

Did it happen?

"Maybe because I had that position before you even started thinking about the issue.
#121 | Posted by Danforth"

Great, so are now wiling to tell ClownShack and Snoofy that illegal immigration hurts the working poor in the US and that deporting them will ultimately increase their wages and standard of living? It is the only logical conclusion based on what you state above. So, let's hear it.

"Remember this little kerfuffle back in December of last year?
#114 | Posted by LampLighter"

Refer to my post directly before yours -------.

"#111 | Posted by Danforth"

You response has now been that you are against illegals and you want to go after employers. That is the exact position I took from day 1. People that knowingly hired illegals should be prosecuted. Why you think you won the argument when you simply came around to agreeing with my initial position is amazing.

The same goes for H1B. If you can find a post of mine stating we need to continue or expand H1B, you would have a point. However, I - and MAGA - are both opposed the H1B program because IT SUPPRESSES US WAGES. I am entirely consistent in everything I post.

"Now you could make an argument for Legal Immigration H-1B Visas destroying the wage scale...
But you are talking about jobs that pay $100K and up. And the immigrants who take them are lowering wages for Americans like me.
#109 | Posted by snoofy"

They do lower American wages but not for people like you that never had gainful employment. You didn't get denied a tech job because of some Indian dude - it is your lack of education, interpersonal skills, and (I assume) poor personal hygiene.

You have the memory of a goldfish so I will have to remind you this fact as it is a few months old.

What issue effectively ended Vivek for MAGA and was the first wedge with Elon and MAGA until Elon backtracked? Think real hard.

"Are you tired of winning yet?
#106 | Posted by snoofy"

Egg prices down by 50%
Illegals cut by 94%
100k+ gang members deported already
USAID shut down

No, I am not tired of winning at all. We need him to keep this focus for the full 4 years.

"Ship a job there, and it doesn't matter how much you might've paid an American.
#103 | Posted by Danforth"

High skill, high paid jobs were never outsourced to China. The only one that I know of was Fang-Fang being paid to bang-bang Eric Swalwell.

"For the most part. People living in America were doing much better than people living in the rest of the world.

Trump has put an end to that."

In only 2 months? You really do give him God like powers.

"Meaning, you better be a multimillionaire.
#100 | Posted by ClownShack "

I have more money than I will be able to spend in my lifetime. I am worried about what happens in my children and grandchildren's lifetime. The changes made by Trump were long overdue.

"Wage scales were destroyed when the tax code started incentivizing job relocation to Gyna.
#99 | Posted by Danforth"

Tell me the difference between shipping a job to China and importing an illegal to do the job in the US. Both displace the American worker - but illegals also bring you the benefit of social disruption and spiraling social spending on their families, etc. But, if you can see the evil in sending jobs overseas, how can you continue to support mass illegal immigration into the US?

Remember when Musk fired 70% of Twitter staff and the resident coding 'experts' on this site crowed that the site would crash and end the company within a week?

Maybe there is a lesson in that - not in how Musk fired 70% but in the resident coding 'experts' being 100% wrong in everything they predicted. Maybe a little introspection is needed to explain why you were so ------- stupid in your last prediction yet you still feel 100% confident now is in order.

At first, I was shocked.

Like, a Democrat worked for 24 hours straight?

But then, I realized the 'job' only consisted of standing and talking smugly for 24 hours and it was less impressive.

"#88 | Posted by ClownShack"

This is why the country is how it is now with the destroyed wage scales due to mass illegal immigration. However, due to liberal brain rot, you think the solution (more illegals) is actually the poison that made you sick in the first place.

I ask you this question:

What high standard of living country with low poverty rates (you can think Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Singapore, Japan, Taiwan, Switzerland, etc) allows mass immigration of unskilled illegals?

"So it finally went ---- up.
#2 | Posted by LegallyYourDead"

You are a total piece of ---- human being - but that post was pretty funny.

"Where do you live? I'm curious to discover just how big a liar you are.
#70 | Posted by Zed"

"And who do you think will pay for those increased wages?
#66 | Posted by ClownShack"

A majority will be paid by people that above the 'working poor' level because they can afford to buy more products. However, they will get the payoff from having a less inequitable society and MUCH LOWER spending on government handouts as the people can now support themselves. This is literally how the economy has always worked until you started flooding the country with illegals.

"Weak dodge. Try again, or just STFU already.
#62 | Posted by rstybeach11"

If you missed the massive coverage over the last month on the waste fraud and abuse in USAID, I am not about to rehash it for you here. It is more important that you get some rest and continue to recover from your coma.

"You think the working poor are gonna work the fields?
They'll get right on it!
#60 | Posted by ClownShack"

I will do this one time and one time only for you.

Illegals do not work exclusively in agriculture despite what the lying liberals tell you. By removing them, the supply of unskilled labor will probably go down by 25-30% in the US. With a drop in the supply or workers, employers will have no choice but to increase the wages to retain workers. However, even in the case that illegals only worked in ag, the same effect would occur as unskilled workers switch jobs from washing dishes or working on production lines to get better pay in ag - which has the same exact impact.

As I have said before - you ------- liberals wanting the flood of illegals and at the same complaining about how none of the increase in wealth makes it down to the working poor in this country over the last 30 years ARE THE PROBLEM.

"Trump's words were day one."

So, your talking point now is that the food inflation Biden couldn't solve in 4 years took Trump 3 weeks longer than he originally promised? Yeah, run with that -------.

"US citizens aren't gonna work the fields. They'd already be doing it."

They did since the founding of the country right up to the point that the Dems started flooding the country with illegals. Who do you think harvested the food in the 80's? The illegals destroy the wage scale for ag jobs and citizens then moved to other professions. Restore the wage scale and citizens come back. It is simple supply and demand.

"So. You're going to pay the same people, more money, and give them citizenship?"

Who the hell ever said that? Guest worker means you come for work and you leave after. Literally every country in the world can figure this out but the US.

"What about shedding tears for people who can't afford to buy food anymore?
#57 | Posted by ClownShack "

You see, that is the genius part of kicking out the illegals. The people that will benefit the most from the uplift in wages will be the working poor in the US. As such, they will finally be able to start amassing wealth as their wages are not perpetually depressed by illegals. That is what the Dems fear the most. With people no longer feeling helpless and needing handouts - why would they vote for the Democrats?

"#54 | Posted by REDIAL"

Dems in 2025: "Trump only lowered egg prices by 50%!"

Seriously, do you guys hear yourselves?

"Which is it? If neither, show your receipts. Or just STFU already and stop wasting your time.
#46 | Posted by rstybeach11"

Were you in a coma the last month? That is the only rational explanation for your comment.

"#12 | Posted by LegallyYourDead"

Angry you got your bluff called?

"the Democrats were just crowing how it could not be done ...
... by Trump, on his first day."

And yet here we are, 3 weeks after the SOTU and prices are down 50%. Sure makes the Dems looks credible.

"Also, you never told me who you thought was going to replace the immigrants who tended to livestock in Nebraska."

US citizens making higher wages and/or automation paired with some guest worker programs. I am not going to shed one tear for people that knowingly hired illegals or the fact that they need to adjust their business model now to the new reality.

"Will Trump round up democrats and put them to work in the fields?
#44 | Posted by ClownShack"

Democrats are only good for milking the bulls. If they could actually do manual labor, they wouldn't be Democrats.

"You're giving Trump credit for that?
#42 | Posted by ClownShack"

By virtue of the fact that the Democrats were just crowing how it could not be done and then it was accomplished in about 3 weeks time, the American people will.