Remember how yesterday you -------- were complaining about the deficit? Yeah...good times. Now, you are back to infinity spending on infinity wars.

"You're an intellectually vacuous pile of
#43 | Posted by jpw"

Which is why not a single one of you turds can ever point to a single number that I post that is wrong - right? That is why you just resort to emotion and never put up a fact based argument - right? Try harder -------.

"Interesting that you pay no mind to the $8T Trump added"

Again - Trump did not add $8T. He added about $7T and $3T of that was due to covid relief. He ran around the same deficit/year as Obama.

"which was a higher % increase than Biden's $9T
#42 | Posted by jpw"

Biden added $9.4T - and spurred massive inflation causing all future presidents to waste more money paying the higher interest rate on his debt. Even given credit for covid related spending, Biden takes on debt at 2x the rate of Trump.

"ScottS is trying to say $9 trillion is HORRIBLE. But a number that rounds to $9 trillion with interest, is Trumpian!
#38 | Posted by Danforth"

It was not $9T ------- - even with $3T in direct covid related spending. Only a ------- such as yourself would not credit him for the $1T in cash on hand the US Treasury prepared. I gave the real numbers above - net of covid, Trump racked up $4T. Not great - but, roughly in line with Obama and 1/2 that of Biden's reign of fiscal terror.

But, if you want to discuss this more, I would be more than happy to kick your ass again on yet another topic as per our usual outcome.

"#34 | Posted by LampLighter"

Total Fed Government Debt on the day Biden took office was: $27.754T, however, this included $1T in cash that the Treasury pulled out in case there were tax disruptions due to Covid. So, the actual number was $26.754T. On the day Biden left office, the Total Debt was $36.214T and the $1T in cash had been spent. So, the total increase in debt by Biden was $36.2T - $26.8T = $9.4T in deficit spending by Biden. What, the Democrats never told you this?

Further, on the day Trump took office for the first time - total debt was $19.95T, and as noted above, net of the $1T in cash on hand, he left with $26.8T in debt. So, he increased debt by $6.85T (of which $3T was related to covid relief) so a net increase (outside of covid relief) of $3.85T.

For Biden, he increased debt by $9.4T and also had covid relief but it was only $1.8T. This, Biden increased debt (outside of covid) by $7.6T - or, ~2x the deficit produced by Trump. And - again - this was not due to revenue problems - it was due to Biden increasing spending to the leaves of 'covid relief' and then NEVER CUTTING A ------- DIME IN SPENDING despite being 2+ years beyond the end of covid.

"This decline in Trump's approval rating among Republicans
#29 | Posted by Corky"

MAGA does not support fighting wars on behalf of Israel. However, with any politician - you pick the one that most aligns with your beliefs. Trump does not perfectly align with mine but he is closer than any politician in my lifetime with Bill Clinton a close 2nd.

"What's the current spend on borrowing, and how much does the spend increase with new borrowing?
#24 | Posted by snoofy"

Well, Biden managed the impossible - not only did he add $9T to the federal debt in only 4 years, he also managed to spark inflation so our cost of servicing the debt has also ballooned. Our interest paid on the debt was 1.25% in 2020 and is 2.5% for 2024. So, not only did Biden increase the cost of the 28T in debt he inherited by $350B in extra interest payments alone, he then added another $240B due to his insane $9T spending spree.

That is ~$600B in completely wasted spending as it goes straight to investors and yields the US taxpayers NOTHING.

Since the year 2000 (the famous Clinton 'balanced budget')

Year 2000
Spending: $1.8T
Revenue: $2.0T

Year 2024
Spending: $4.9T
Revenue: $6.8T

Spending Rate of Increase = 5.7%
Revenue Rate of Increase = 3.8%
Inflation = 2.5%

So, revenue has increased at a rate 52% higher than inflation - and you -------- think we have a revenue problem? Nope - the tax cuts did as promised - revenue grew at a rate 52% higher than inflation.

No, the problem is that spending has increased at a rate of 124% of inflation. WE HAVE A SPENDING PROBLEM!

Also, in comparison to the 1990's - spending increased at 3.4%, which was only 21% higher than inflation. If we would have continued the SPENDING PATH of the 1990's (spending grows 21% higher than inflation) - in total, we would have spending of $4.1T total and have a SURPLUS of ---------. We would have this regardless of the tax cuts. One would have to be an absolutely MORON to think our problems are due to the tax cuts and not runaway spending.

"Plus Record Military spending from the No War President... his MIC donors love him just like redneck rwingers do.
#15 | Posted by Corky"

So, you support stopping funding to Ukraine and removing the US from NATO so we only focus on our own borders and national security? You don't want to support the fight against Russia anymore?

It only costs 'trillions' because the CBO is a partisan band of --------. What actually CAUSES the deficit is out of control spending. So, if you Democrats really care about the debt - which you don't - you will now push for cuts in government spending. The fact that you won't do this just shows that you don't give 2 ----- about the debt unless it is the GOP in office. Democrats don't even want to cut MILITARY spending at this point as you can't wait to shovel more money into the Ukraine burn pit.

What this bill will do is increase economic activity and raise many out of poverty and off of social services. Meanwhile, the mass deportations will save TRILLIONS over the next decade. This is the core difference between MAGA and Liberals. Liberals see a poor person and they want to help their situation by giving them some free ---- to alleviate their immediate suffering but do NOTHING for their long term plight. MAGA sees the same person and they want to give them an opportunity to work and live a productive life. One of these ways lifts people out of poverty and eliminates the need for government services. The other has the exact opposite effect.

"The whole point of the "deep state" is to keep things on an even keel. Instead we have chaos.
#2 | Posted by TFDNihilist"

Wow, so liberals now admit that the deep state exists...another 'conspiracy theory' proven correct.

"#98 | Posted by RightisTrite"

The ACTUAL jobs data was just released - JOBS +147K in June - crushing estimates so much so that the Fed has cancelled any rate cut for July. Yes - WINNING - MAGA Works!

Also, federal government jobs -7000. Winning!

"" The US dollar has also dropped 6-8% against Euro and $CDN in the last 6 months due to Biden."
Pick up a financial page, ffs. The slide began the day Trump announced tariffs.
As usual, The Party of Responsibility can't seem to take Responsibility. Ever.
#89 | Posted by Danforth"

Let me guess - you just realized now that you responded to SCOTTY and not me with that comment. Maybe this accounts for all your lies about what I stated in the past - your ability to read users names is just as bad as your ability to read charts.

And BTW, SCOTTY is one of your 'team' of leftwing liberal -------- as I am sure he will tell you.

"This is why I killfiled Danforth. Its just BS on top of BS.
#84 | Posted by oneironaut"

Yep - he has established himself as the tallest of the mental midgets on the Left and mistakenly thought that extended to normal intelligence people as well. Even his lefty cheerleaders see him for what he is now - which is why they no longer chip in their head pats for him. They just ignore him like everyone else should because he brings nothing to the table.

"#83 | Posted by Scotty"

It is clear that you have never been to Vietnam. The cars on the road are all newer models and the ratio of Mercedes and higher brands is much, much higher than the US. Basically, in a country with 100M with the majority of the wealth in 2 cities - there is a LARGE number of rich people that have no problem expensive foreign imports despite there being a 200% tariff on these vehicles today. You do realize that the market is so large, in fact, that Mercedes does local manufacture in the North - right? Also, real estate prices in Hanoi and HCMC rival those in NYC and San Francisco. New, high end units sell for $14,000+ USD per square meter for condos. Yes, this is a very good opportunity for the US to export SUVs to Vietnam that did not exist before due to 1.) high import tariffs on vehicles, and 2.) EXTRA high import tariffs on cars considered to be large engine.

"ScottS wants everyone to believe 4.4 is a BIGGER number than 4.6.
#80 | Posted by Danforth"

And there we go again - yep, you couldn't help yourself but to reference the nominal numbers again because you clearly have no idea what you were talking about. If inflation was 8% for the 4.6% vs. 2% for the 4.4% number - YES, the 4.4% IS INCREASING -------.

"Nominal uses the numbers, without adjusting for inflation"

Well, looks like you finally had time to Google it. You know you could have just read my post about where I already explained to for your ------- liberals.

"Real adjusts for inflation.
#78 | Posted by Danforth"

So now the question again to see if you TRULY understand it: Is the rate of real wage growth under Trump increasing or decreasing vs. the 4 years of Biden? If you, again, reference the 4.4% number, it is clear that you did not understand it.

"#75 | Posted by BellRinger"

That is actually the least of his problems.

"Real v nominal has nothing to do with your mistake."

LOL - that is why you are a poor rube. You still don't understand the difference.

"Increasing v decreasing is the issue."

Yes, IN REAL WAGES and vs. Biden, THEY ARE INCREASING.

"Why did you lie about the rates increasing, when the rates clearly decreased?"

Only to math and economics challenged -------- like yourself.

"And btw, I'm very aware of real v nominal.
#73 | Posted by Danforth"

Clearly, YOU ARE NOT. Otherwise, by your same standard real wage growth is slower under Trump than Biden - which is factually untrue and laughable.

"I'm saying the last time the same-job and changed-job numbers were tallied UNDER TRUMP, both percentages were higher.
#70 | Posted by Danforth"

Great - so, how are those numbers calculated - inflation included or not? My claim is on REAL WAGES - you moronically keep mentioning nominal numbers. ----, Biden has NOMINAL wage growth of almost 7% in 2022 - yet, Trump's 4.4% rate is WAY WAY better...

"" By a very small handful of wealthy individuals"

------- - 90% of tax filers take the standard deduction - you do know this, right?

"Virtually every one of my self-employed clients used it.
#68 | Posted by Danforth"

So, business and not individual? They claim under Schedules C, E, F - correct? Did any of them claim outside of this? Basically, EVERY INDIVIDUAL that claimed it was due to THE BUSINESS that they own, correct? So, explain again how this is an INDIVIDUAL tax provision when the basic requirement for taking it was OWNING A ------- BUSINESS.

"The rate DECREASED to 4.4%.
#66 | Posted by Danforth"

What was the real growth rate under Biden you are using for comparison? I ask as it was -2%. For most non-smoothed brain people, ANY POSITIVE RATE is INCREASING over a -2% rate.

The fact you keep referring to the 4.4% rate not knowing the difference between real and nominal is already funny. It is almost as funny as you stating here that you sold out all of your stocks when Trump took office because you knew the market would tank. How is that call working out for you -------?

"It was a tax break individuals used, which expired.
#61 | Posted by Danforth"

By a very small handful of wealthy individuals and mainly by corporations thereby NEGATING your argument that the singular expiring tax cut provision was meant to hurt individuals and benefit the wealthy and corporations. Again, your original argument was that MOST of the individual targeted provisions have already expired while the corporate provisions were made permanent. It was a lie then and it is a lie now. The best you can come up with is corporate targeted provision used by some of the wealthy that negates your own argument.

"Let's ignore years of COVID and ask binary partisan questions!
#62 | Posted by Alexandrite"

You mean like you do when stating the jobs numbers in Trump's first term?

"----, you can't even be honest about INCREASING and DECREASING.
#58 | Posted by Danforth"

Are real wages under Trump INCREASING OR DECREASING vs. the 4 years of Biden? A simple Yes/No will suffice.