A fitting "Trumpian" Rococo Gold Gilded Hellscape with marble seats.
Caligula would approve!

#7 - Exactly, Corky. These were not the crap ICE agents signing up for $50k. They've been around a while. The agent that murdered Good was a long time employee too, iirc. This indicates a problem at the core of those agencies. Probably throughout their culture.

Oh my. You actually posted a paragraph.

Ok, it wasn't actually a paragraph, just a long run-on sentence.

Corky had just posted this about you on another thread: "I can't figure out if your highly limited vocabulary is a shame or a fortunate attribute."

DHS, again, lied their sorry fascist asses off about what happened.
And that asshat Homan wants me to feel sorry for these -------- (sic)?
How "scared" they are and how mistreated they are?
Fcck him and ICE.

It's clearly NO for Lemon. Flat out NO. Geez, your reading comprehenion is really that bad, is it? How desperate are you to lump everyone in one group so you can make Lemon guilty?

by force or threat of force or by physical obstruction, intentionally

The most generous (to you) reading of this would be Lemon intentionally physically obstructed and interfered with a person seeking to exercise "religious freedom" at a place of worship.

So again, no.

You keep wanting to broaden this out to the others. I wonder if you even know who the others are? Georgia Fort? She's a world-class journalist. Highly respected. What did she specifically do that violates the FACE Act? Anything different than Lemon? No? That's right.

You know what all 4 have in common?

Our US Government under Trump is a lying, deceitful, racist, vindictive, immoral, pile of shht heads entrenching fascism as quickly as they can. Let's hope we still have elections this year that are fair and everyone that is legally entitled to vote votes.

He kicked her (R)ed ass!
I sure hope the Dems can keep this up. It's been a bloodbath for the GOP lately.

Doesn't help Social Security, either.
I bet the date of "insolvency" (not failure) is going to hit sooner, too.

Well that was another BellFail.

No.

Since FotP doesn't protect him, did he violate the Act?

The First Amendment protects him as it does everyone else.
Did he violate the FACE Act? Not from what I've seen.
I've said both these things over and over.

Lemon's own video footage has him being told to leave, right?
Yes, the Pastor asked him to leave so he could attend to his parishioners.
Lemon left a few minutes later.
The pastor did not file any trespass charges.
Nor did any local authorities.

DOJ is attempting to file based on federal civil rights basis.
IMHO this is a big fail on the part of DOJ based on the law they are trying to apply.

5 judges rejected your argument already, including 2 full in trump judges.

BIll and Bell have gone missing.

Jack Smith would have proceeded because there was "proof beyond a reasonable doubt" to support criminal charges. But that's just not the way the ball (R)olls in T(R)umpworld.

1/22/2026: A federal magistrate judge rejected the Justice Department's initial attempt to bring charges against journalist Don Lemon for appearing alongside protesters...

Magistrate Judge Douglas Micko said prosecutors had failed to present evidence to justify the arrests.

1/24/2026: A federal appeals court brushed back a secretive, emergency effort by the Justice Department to revive rejected arrest warrants for Don Lemon and four other people...

Minnesota's chief district judge Patrick Schiltz refused DOJ's request to take immediate action to arrest Lemon. "Federal prosecutors raced to the 8th Circuit, asking the court to issue a rarely used "writ of mandamus" to force Schiltz to grant the government's request "

Late Friday, a three-judge panel of the appeals court rejected the Trump administration's demand. The panel included Obama appointee Jane Kelly and two Trump appointees, Steven Grasz and Jonathan Kobes.

DOJ could not abide by all these decisions, so they tried a fourth time by convening a grand jury, finally getting what they desperately needed to go after Lemon.

How utterly transparent, vindictive, and outrageous. A level of weaponization never seen before. Exacty what we all expected with the false cries and accusations about "weaponization" from the Got Only Projection party.

YAV- He thinks O'Keefe is a journalist FFS.

It's a problem with this society in general these days - including the current pResident.

Sentinel - serious question - can you hear how utterly wrong Lemon did something stupid that he deserves to be prosecuted for sounds? How the very premise of it is horrifically wrong?

Yes, but so far prosecuting someone for doing something you think is stupid is not illegal.
The original judge, a republican, destroyed DOJ for even trying to charge Lemon.
Lemon broke no laws.

Unless you want to buy into the bullshht "charges" from the weaponized Trump DOJ we don't prosecute people that don't violate the law. That's not even the point of charging Lemon.

Hey BillJohnson?
Still think you know more about all this than anyone else on this board?
We're all waiting for you to elucidate us.
Don't be shy!

It looks like he's trying to construct a reductio ad absurdum argument, and it's backfiring on him just like it does when most people on this site attempt to do that.

He's been doing that for a couple of days now. He's asked me if right-wing influencers with only a high-school diploma are journalists just like Lemon because both of them are "independent." It's absolutely ridiculous.

I was an independent consultant (engineering) for years, but very few people can do what I can do, and yes, it requires a specific degree and specific training and years of experience.

It's why I said he'll grant anyone the "title" of "journalist" as long as they tell him what he wants to hear.

I've been consistent. I've stated it consistently. Read #8, #30, #50, #133. I even spelled out why Baker was guilty and what he was guilty of - violating the law. I even posted "I believe we all know that journalists can't violate the law. I already said that. That's the fundamental problem with using the FACE Act against Lemon."

Putting a music teacher and wannabe a rightwing media personality in the same cateogory a nationally known journalist who used to work for CNN in the same category is ludicrous, and you know it. I'd say nice try, but really it's just lame:

Well said, Gal. Exactly right.

That's the fundamental problem with using the FACE Act against Lemon.
Meaning Lemon did not violate the FACE Act, so that part of the case is ridiculous.

Sentinel asks A bigger question is what exactly did Lemon achieve by going in with the criminals that couldn't have been done without disrupting a religious service? Couldn't they have confronted the pastor when he was walking on the street or somewhere else?

He reported on what was happening. We all need reporters and journalists to do that. He didn't disturb the service but interviewed people who were at the service. I thought the interviews were quite good and got at how those parishioners felt with the interruption/demonstration. I said at the time I wished this hadn't happened at a church.

I wish the right-wing nutters hadn't assassinated those they targeted in the middle of church services, too.

Petrous - what's your point?
I believe we all know that journalists can't violate the law. I already said that. That's the fundamental problem with using the FACE Act against Lemon.

Re: Baker..
Throwing in nebulous "others" and trying to one charge "trespass" is the same as what Baker pleaded guilt to "Disorderly and disruptive conduct in a restricted building or grounds, Disorderly conduct in a Capitol building, Parading, demonstrating, or picketing in a Capitol building" appears to be a deliberate attempt at conflation.