Thursday, May 02, 2024

Saudis Push for 'plan B' Excluding Israel from Key Deal with US

Riyadh seeks more modest agreement with Washington in absence of Gaza ceasefire and Netanyahu resistance to Palestinian state

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... The US and Saudi Arabia have drafted a set of agreements on security and technology-sharing which were intended to be linked to a broader Middle East settlement involving Israel and the Palestinians.

However, in the absence of a ceasefire in Gaza and in the face of adamant resistance from Benjamin Netanyahu's Israeli government to the creation of a Palestinian state " and its apparent determination to launch an offensive on Rafah " the Saudis are pushing for a more modest plan B, which excludes the Israelis.

Under that option, the US and Saudi Arabia would sign agreements on a bilateral defence pact, US help in the building of a Saudi civil nuclear energy industry, and high-level sharing in the field of artificial intelligence and other emerging technologies.

An offer would be made to Israel of normalisation of diplomatic relations with Riyadh in return for Israeli acceptance of the two-state solution to the 76-year Israeli-Arab conflict. But under Riyadh's plan B proposal, completion of the US-Saudi deals would not be made dependent on agreement from the Netanyahu government. ...


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-01 06:20 PM

@#1 ... An offer would be made to Israel of normalisation of diplomatic relations with Riyadh in return for Israeli acceptance of the two-state solution to the 76-year Israeli-Arab conflict. ...

imo, that US-guided Israel-Saudi Arabia deal was the reason why Iran apparently initiated the Oct 7 attack last year. That is, the Saudi Arabia - Israel peace deal was moving along to completion.


#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-01 06:22 PM

"imo, that US-guided Israel-Saudi Arabia deal was the reason why Iran apparently initiated the Oct 7 attack last year"

The timing was convenient but that's not the genesis of the attack.

"The Wall Street Journal has accused Iran of being behind the attack.[85] U.S. officials[86] and Iran have denied this.[87]"
en.m.wikipedia.org

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-05-01 06:34 PM

@#3 ... Iran have denied this...

My guess would be that Iran would not admit to it.

Iran helped Hamas plan Israel attack, gave go-ahead in meeting last week: Report (October 9, 2023)
www.indiatoday.in

Iran Helped Plot Attack on Israel Over Several Weeks (October 8, 2023)
www.wsj.com


#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-01 07:00 PM

In absence of the pier, aid distribution, safe zones or any accountability, the plan is going according to B.

#5 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2024-05-01 09:29 PM

Sounds like the Saudis are giving up on the bets they made on Trump; the billions to Jarvanka, nearly as much on Trump Media.

Dark Brandon appears the better bet now.

#6 | Posted by Corky at 2024-05-02 08:52 PM

"Sounds like the Saudis are giving up on the bets they made on Trump; the billions to Jarvanka, nearly as much on Trump Media."

Much like America has given up on Biden keeping America out of wars and being good at foreign diplomacy. This proposal removes collaboration, so why would you support Biden over it for, once again, reducing the world's appetite for collaboration so that we can all get along? It's sad how quick Liberals are to celebrate diminishing gains, but I guess with 3 years of Biden, you are just used to it.

#7 | Posted by humtake at 2024-05-03 12:21 PM

We all need to be reminded occasionally that Netanyahu knew of the plans for the Oct. 7th attack well ahead of time. He let it happen.

apnews.com

#8 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-05-03 04:31 PM

#8 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT

He helped fund it!

#9 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-05-03 04:38 PM

- keeping America out of wars

No one goes to war with their toadies; Vlad and Xi don't have Trump kissing their, um, rings anymore.

#10 | Posted by Corky at 2024-05-03 06:12 PM

Excluding?

I've read the point is to eventually normalize relations with Israel.

Looks like the Abraham accords are working out.

Iran, as lamplighter stated tried to throw a wrench into it.

But now... Hope..

#11 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-05-03 10:37 PM

Looks like the Abraham accords are working out.

"The deal was drafted with the assumption that the Saudis would bring normalisation with Israel to the table," Fontenrose said. "But the Israeli government is currently placing higher value on blocking the formation of a Palestinian state than on normalising with Saudi. So the deal now being discussed is bilateral."
Or not.

#12 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-05-03 10:45 PM

Just watching the Mavs game.... and the Refs are wearing "Emirates" patches on their shirts.

What?

"Emirates Airlines was named the global airline partner of the NBA and title partner of the NBA In-Season Tournament on Feb. 8, the league announced in a release. As part of the partnership, the league will feature the patch on the jerseys of all referees."

"We are proud to establish a global marketing partnership with the National Basketball Association to become its Official Global Airline Partner," said His Highness Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed Al Maktoum, Emirates Group Chairman and Chief Executive."

#13 | Posted by Corky at 2024-05-03 10:53 PM

@#11 ... Iran, as lamplighter stated tried to throw a wrench into it. ...

Wait, what?

No assault on my software engineering credentials?

#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-03 11:25 PM

Gaslighter got one right, or is he just successfully conning you?

#15 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-05-03 11:45 PM

@#15

:)

#16 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-03 11:57 PM

;)

#17 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-05-04 12:10 AM

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