Saturday, October 19, 2024

The Problem with Polymarket

Offshore betting markets like Polymarket mislead voters by substituting right-wing "vibes" for data.

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Cry harder.

If you believe the crap you post, it would mean that you could make risk free arbitrage profits by shorting Trump on Polymarket and going long on the 10 other similar sites.

Of course, you can't and won't do that because what you are saying is utter nonsense.

It is top tier liberal cope as the MSM and their fake public polls (which they use to form opinion) cannot control the betting markets or Twitter. You lost control and you can't handle it.

#1 | Posted by deadman at 2024-10-17 08:02 PM

#1 | Posted by deadman at 2024-10-17 08:02 PM | Reply | Flag: Serious level

#2 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-17 08:08 PM

"#2 | Posted by Hans"

Wow, you managed to only post this comments once and not 1000+ times. Has your incel rage subsided?

By the way, you can stop smelling my seat. I am not going to leave you a fart.

#3 | Posted by deadman at 2024-10-17 08:25 PM

" as the MSM and their fake public polls "

Ok, Trumper.

What color is the sky in your world?

#4 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-10-17 11:09 PM

Scatberg was hawking it so I figured it was BS

#5 | Posted by hamburglar at 2024-10-18 05:28 AM

"Wow, you managed to only post this comments once and not 1000+ times." -

#3 | Posted by deadman at 2024-10-17 08:25 PM | Flag: Serious level

"1000+ times"???

First there was this ...

Do you honestly think something went wrong on the server side to repost 1000+ times by Hans or was he sitting in his basement continuously hitting the publish comment button with ever growing incel rage until it finally posted 1000+ times? My bet is that someone's mom didn't bring the pizza rolls in time and Hans was rage hitting submit while likely screaming the n-word at the top of his lungs. Thankfully, he likely resides in a windowless basement so no one was exposed to his racial abuse.
...and then there was this

#18 | Posted by deadman at 2024-10-17 08:23 PM

#18 | Posted by: deadman | Flag: Serious level

Interestingly enough, this is post #18.

"Any significantly advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

#22 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-17 08:58 PM

This is just way too easy.

#6 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-18 01:36 PM

Cry harder.
#1 | Posted by deadman

Who's crying? I'm posting articles you don't like. More info about Polymarket has been coming out:

What We Know About the Mystery Trader Betting Big on a Trump Win

A mysterious online trader is betting big on former President Donald Trump beating Vice President Kamala Harris in the presidential race.

Trump and Harris are locked in a tight race with less than three weeks until Election Day. Polls show the two candidates separated by only tiny margins in battleground states. But online betting markets, where individuals are putting millions of real dollars on the results of the presidential race, have broken toward Trump in recent days.

Polymarket, one of the leading political betting markets that is based offshore and partially funded by Peter Thiel, gave Trump about a 60 percent chance off winning the election as of Wednesday, while Harris had a 40 percent chance of victory. Betting odds have fluctuated throughout the election and may change based on current events and polls that could affect the outcome of the race.

But one trader has appeared to be influencing the market by betting millions of dollars on a Trump victory.

As of late Tuesday, the trader, only known as Fredi9999, has purchased more than 15 million shares, valued at $8.7 million, betting that Trump would win the election.

They have also purchased more than 3 million shares betting that Trump would win the popular vote, and nearly 1.5 million shares that Trump would carry Pennsylvania, a crucial battleground state that is viewed as the most likely tipping-point state this cycle. All told, Fredi9999's position is valued at more than $14 million on the platform.

www.newsweek.com

Today in the WSJ:

A Mystery $30 Million Wave of Pro-Trump Bets Has Moved a Popular Prediction Market

Over the past two weeks, the chances of a Trump victory in the November election have surged on Polymarket, a crypto-based prediction market. Its bettors were giving Trump a 60% chance of winning on Friday, while Harris's chances were 40%. The candidates were in a dead heat at the start of October.

Trump's gains on Polymarket have cheered his supporters, and they have been followed by the odds shifting in Trump's favor in other betting markets. Elon Musk flagged Trump's growing lead on Polymarket to his 200 million X followers on Oct. 6, praising the concept of betting markets. "More accurate than polls, as actual money is on the line," Musk posted.

But the surge might be a mirage manufactured by a group of four Polymarket accounts that have collectively pumped about $30 million of crypto into bets that Trump will win.

"There's strong reason to believe they are the same entity," said Miguel Morel, chief executive of Arkham Intelligence, a blockchain analysis firm that examined the accounts.

The big bets on Trump aren't necessarily nefarious. Some observers have suggested that they were simply placed by a large bettor convinced that Trump will win and looking for a big payday. Others, however, see the bets as an influence campaign designed to fuel social-media buzz for the former president.

www.msn.com

#7 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-10-18 05:19 PM

Cry harder.
#1 | Posted by deadman

Who's crying? I'm posting articles you don't like. More info about Polymarket has been coming out:

What We Know About the Mystery Trader Betting Big on a Trump Win

A mysterious online trader is betting big on former President Donald Trump beating Vice President Kamala Harris in the presidential race.

Trump and Harris are locked in a tight race with less than three weeks until Election Day. Polls show the two candidates separated by only tiny margins in battleground states. But online betting markets, where individuals are putting millions of real dollars on the results of the presidential race, have broken toward Trump in recent days.

Polymarket, one of the leading political betting markets that is based offshore and partially funded by Peter Thiel, gave Trump about a 60 percent chance off winning the election as of Wednesday, while Harris had a 40 percent chance of victory. Betting odds have fluctuated throughout the election and may change based on current events and polls that could affect the outcome of the race.

But one trader has appeared to be influencing the market by betting millions of dollars on a Trump victory.

As of late Tuesday, the trader, only known as Fredi9999, has purchased more than 15 million shares, valued at $8.7 million, betting that Trump would win the election.

They have also purchased more than 3 million shares betting that Trump would win the popular vote, and nearly 1.5 million shares that Trump would carry Pennsylvania, a crucial battleground state that is viewed as the most likely tipping-point state this cycle. All told, Fredi9999's position is valued at more than $14 million on the platform.

www.newsweek.com

Today in the WSJ:

A Mystery $30 Million Wave of Pro-Trump Bets Has Moved a Popular Prediction Market

Over the past two weeks, the chances of a Trump victory in the November election have surged on Polymarket, a crypto-based prediction market. Its bettors were giving Trump a 60% chance of winning on Friday, while Harris's chances were 40%. The candidates were in a dead heat at the start of October.

Trump's gains on Polymarket have cheered his supporters, and they have been followed by the odds shifting in Trump's favor in other betting markets. Elon Musk flagged Trump's growing lead on Polymarket to his 200 million X followers on Oct. 6, praising the concept of betting markets. "More accurate than polls, as actual money is on the line," Musk posted.

But the surge might be a mirage manufactured by a group of four Polymarket accounts that have collectively pumped about $30 million of crypto into bets that Trump will win.

"There's strong reason to believe they are the same entity," said Miguel Morel, chief executive of Arkham Intelligence, a blockchain analysis firm that examined the accounts.

The big bets on Trump aren't necessarily nefarious. Some observers have suggested that they were simply placed by a large bettor convinced that Trump will win and looking for a big payday. Others, however, see the bets as an influence campaign designed to fuel social-media buzz for the former president.

www.msn.com

#8 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-10-18 05:19 PM

Sorry, for the double post. :-(

#9 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-10-18 05:20 PM

A mysterious online trader is betting big on former President Donald Trump beating Vice President Kamala Harris in the presidential race.

Here's the problem with this logic.

Why wouldn't a Harris backer/better, realizing it's all hyped, put in a bet for Harris? Seems like it would be a sure thing, no?

In fact why don't you?

#10 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-10-18 06:50 PM

#10 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-10-18 06:50 PM | Reply | Flag: Accurate??????

#11 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-18 06:58 PM

Here's the problem with this logic.

Why wouldn't a Harris backer/better, realizing it's all hyped, put in a bet for Harris? Seems like it would be a sure thing, no?

In fact why don't you?

#10 | Posted by oneironaut

Maybe because Harris supporters don't feel the need to manipulate markets in order to make it seem like their candidate isn't crashing and burning?

It will be interesting watching you violent thugs riot and vandalize our nation's historical monuments again after Trump loses. All the while claiming it just couldn't be POSSIBLE for him to lose.

And then watching you cowards cry and whine and beg again when sentenced to jail for your crimes.

But, believe what you choose to.

#12 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2024-10-19 02:16 PM

Why wouldn't a Harris backer/better, realizing it's all hyped, put in a bet for Harris? Seems like it would be a sure thing, no?

In fact why don't you?

#10 | Posted by oneironaut

Sure doofus, I'll give my CC info to an overseas phony-ass website and never see my money.

You ------- MAGAT dupes are stupid as ----.

#13 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-10-19 02:25 PM

Forget the betting markets, forget the polls. Just vote:

Burst of trades inflates Trump's margin in election prediction markets

Small group of bettors lifts odds of Republican victory to 62 per cent on cryptocurrency-based Polymarket

In theory, betting markets may offer a more accurate forecast of election results than polls and models, though fee structures, market sizes and other limitations can cloud those results.

Polymarket competitor PredictIt infamously gave Hillary Clinton roughly 80 per cent odds of victory in 2016 before her loss. PredictIt traders also continued to give Trump a 10 per cent chance of winning the state of Wisconsin weeks after the race had been called in the media.

www.ft.com

#14 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-10-19 02:54 PM

Remember the red tsunami in 2022 that wasn't? Notice the same pattern come mid-October:

Republicans have over 70% chance of winning Senate in midterm elections, betting markets say
Last Updated: Nov. 8, 2022
First Published: Oct. 24, 2022

The Republican Party's prospects in today's midterm elections have been continuing to climb this fall, with betting market PredictIt now giving the GOP a more than 70% chance for taking control of the U.S. Senate away from Democrats.

Republicans reached a 76% chance of winning the Senate last Thursday and were at 74% as of Monday, according to PredictIt data.

Democrats had been enjoying an edge over the GOP throughout August and September, but that advantage went away in the second week of October.

"Broadly speaking, Democrats' momentum from the summer has largely leveled off, with voters increasingly focused on Republican issues such as the economy, inflation, and crime, at the expense of Democrats' agenda items, including Roe and guns, according to recent polls," said Benjamin Salisbury, director of research at Height Capital Markets, in a recent note.

www.marketwatch.com Nobody knows how this election is going to turn out:

#15 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-10-19 03:13 PM

Gal ... there was at least one article that made it to the front page about Kamala leading betting markets a few weeks back. So was that article wrong because it didn't gauge Trump's surge in popularity or what?

As well, Harris is losing every swing state aggregate polling. Are we to believe there's a problem with these polls as well?

#16 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-10-19 07:55 PM

" Are we to believe there's a problem with these polls as well?"

The odds can swing with relatively small bets.

You tell us if that's a problem.

#17 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-10-19 08:23 PM

#16

Are you ------- ------- going to admit Fat Donnie ------------ loses, or are we going to have to shoot you like dogs.(Thanks Kristie Noem!)

#18 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-10-20 12:09 AM

Do we get to shoot you in the street if he wins Legally?

#19 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-10-20 12:34 AM

Gal ... there was at least one article that made it to the front page about Kamala leading betting markets a few weeks back. So was that article wrong because it didn't gauge Trump's surge in popularity or what?
As well, Harris is losing every swing state aggregate polling. Are we to believe there's a problem with these polls as well?
#16 | Posted by Bluewaffles

As I said upthread, Forget the betting markets, forget the polls. Just vote:

The red wave campaign this year is on a much greater scale than 2022. It started much earlier, has many more actors and has produced far more polling. It needed to be bigger for in general election years there is more polling. So to move the averages more polls were needed, and they got to work earlier doing so. And this is important. In 2022 the campaign began late, in mid-October. They had less time to move the averages so their polls were often 3-4 points to the right of the polling as they needed these bigger margins to move the averages in a shorter time period. This time, because they started earlier and are producing more polls their polls are often only 1-2 points to the right of the polling average or independent polls. They are working the averages more carefully this time, over using the time and volume to move them gradually so the op is not as crude and as easy to see as last time. If Harris leads by 2.5 points and you drop 5 polls showing the race tied or her ahead by 1 or even 2 points the averages moves and it looks like she is losing altitude. . . .

The red wave 2024 campaign also includes a major new entrant, Polymarket, an off-shore crypto-based betting market whose lead investor is Peter Thiel, former business partner to Elon Musk and primary political patron of JD Vance. Polymarket is buying product placement on sites and with influencers for their 2024 American election results even though NO AMERICAN CAN LEGALLY PARTICIPATE IN PROCESS THAT DETERMINES THE DATA. Polymarket is everywhere. Harry Enten higlights their data on CNN. Right wing influencers pump Polymarket maps showing Trump "winning" everyday. Nate Silver is an advisor to Polymarket. Elon and Twitter of course are pumping this stuff, hard.

www.hopiumchronicles.com

#20 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-10-20 05:33 PM

The accounts betting big on Trump"Fredi9999, Theo4, PrincessCaro and Michie"were all funded by deposits from Kraken, a U.S.-based crypto exchange, according to Arkham. They behave in a similar fashion, systematically placing frequent bets on Trump and stepping up the size of their bets at the same time, Arkham found. The oldest of the accounts was created in June, while the newest was created this month.
So, folks, they are messing with your head. And there's a reason for that. Dan Pfeiffer explains:
This happens every election cycle, and the degrees of Republican confidence and Democratic panic are never connected to the polling averages or the facts on the ground. This is the natural state of being for the activists and operatives who occupy both parties. Every Fall, it's the "Braggarts" vs. the "Bedwetters." Perhaps there is a larger sociological experiment needed to determine why the irrationally confident gravitate to Republican politics and the naturally nervous lean Democratic.

Believe it or not, there are strategic reasons why Republicans publicly assert they are winning no matter what the polls say, and Democrats always hypothesize that a stunning defeat is right around the corner.

#21 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-20 05:43 PM

David Corn, for one, is sick of the unhealthy fixation on the polls.

Polls, to be hyperbolic about it, have ruined American politics. Okay, a lot has ruined American politics. But polls have certainly made American politics less enjoyable. Many of those who follow politics"and not enough citizens do"have become slaves of polling, overly obsessed with these surveys and palpitating over the slightest changes. I'm not unsympathetic. This election is prompting more anxiety than most ... .Still, the hyperfixation on polls is unwarranted and distracts us from other important aspects of this most important election ... .

The candidates are within a few points of each other in the national polls and the swing state polls. But the difference is usually within the reported margin of error. That means the poll that has just caused you heartburn may not have any value in terms of telling us what will happen on Election Day.

#22 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-20 05:44 PM

Legally ... no answer?

#23 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-10-20 10:16 PM

Are you ------- ------- going to admit Fat Donnie ------------ loses, or are we going to have to shoot you like dogs.
#18 | Posted by LegallyYourDead

Do we get to shoot you in the street if he wins Legally?
#19 | Posted by Bluewaffles

Depends.

Did or will Democrats try to overthrow the government, hang the vice president, and institute their losing candidate as President even though he lost?

It's like J6 never happened, huh?

#24 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-10-21 01:35 PM

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