Thursday, December 05, 2024

Bill Clinton Gives Dems Blunt Truths - And Reprimands Biden

He reserved his most notable criticism of his party for their handling of the border crisis. "Too many Democrats thought it was politically incorrect to stand up for controlled borders. People hate chaos," he said. He was more reserved when Sorkin tried to draw him on the New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd's criticism that for Democrats "woke was broke". "There's something to that," he said, but he did not discuss his reported opposition to the Harris campaign's handling of Trump's transgender attack ads.

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Lots of interesting stuff in there. Will the Dems listen? Probably not. From another article discussing Bill C's take:

The Charlamagne ad ranked as one of the Trump team's most effective 30-second spots, according to an analysis by Future Forward, Ms. Harris's leading super PAC. It shifted the race 2.7 percentage points in Mr. Trump's favor after viewers watched it. The anti-trans ads cut to the core of the Trump argument: that Ms. Harris was "dangerously liberal" - the exact vulnerability her team was most worried about. The ads were effective with Black and Latino men, according to the Trump team, but also with moderate suburban white women who might be concerned about transgender athletes in girls' sports.

Those were the same suburban women Ms. Harris was trying to mobilize with ads about abortion.

Democrats struggled to respond. At one point, former President Bill Clinton told an associate, "We have to answer it and say we won't do it." He even raised the issue in a conversation with the campaign and was told the Trump ads were not necessarily having an impact, according to two people familiar with his conversations. He never broached the topic publicly.

The Harris team debated internally how to respond. Ads the Harris team produced with a direct response to the "they/them" ads wound up faring poorly in internal tests. The ads never ran.

Why Trump's Anti-Trans Ad Worked
Hillary Clinton spokesman Philippe Reines explains
theeditors.com

#1 | Posted by censored at 2024-12-05 07:44 AM

Another interesting point from the Daily Beast article:

He looked back too, at the eventual failure of the Oslo Accords and the Middle East peace process he attempted.

He spoke in dismay at what Palestine leader Yasser Arafat walked away from in the 1990s: control of 96 percent of the West Bank, 4 percent of Israel to make up for the 4 percent settlers had taken of Palestine at that point, a capital in East Jerusalem, and borders in keeping with the 1967 War.

"I'm an old guy. I have my regrets " that's one of them."

#2 | Posted by censored at 2024-12-05 07:46 AM

I'm as liberal as they come, yet Harris saying she'd support taxpayer-funded sex-change operations for illegal aliens was tough to watch. Who could support that?

#3 | Posted by HeeHaw at 2024-12-05 11:24 AM

"People hate chaos"

Demonstrably false, check the election results.

#4 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-12-05 12:42 PM

Clinton was the beginning of the capitalist revolution in the Democratic Party.

He gave corporate America exactly what they wanted and in the process, abandoned the working class. Obama and Biden were more of the same.

#5 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-12-05 12:44 PM

Clinton was the beginning of the capitalist revolution in the Democratic Party.

He gave corporate America exactly what they wanted and in the process, abandoned the working class. Obama and Biden were more of the same.

Posted by ClownShack at 2024-12-05 12:44 PM | Reply

Yeppers. And Clinton was the second iteration of MAGA. Reagan being the first.

#6 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-12-05 12:48 PM

Harris saying she'd support taxpayer-funded sex-change operations for illegal aliens was tough to watch. Who could support that?
#3 | POSTED BY HEEHAW

As America falls apart over the next four years, just remember, you're cool with it because less that 1% of the population may have gotten a sex change.

#7 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-12-05 12:49 PM

RE 7 - I voted for Harris, moron.

#8 | Posted by HeeHaw at 2024-12-05 01:39 PM

The illegal alien transgender community thanks you for supporting free transition surgeries while in prison.

#9 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-12-05 01:41 PM

Bill can pee up a rope.
Dems are losing because he sold out Labor in favor of suburban soccer moms.

#10 | Posted by morris at 2024-12-05 02:53 PM

Do you vote based on something that happened 20 years ago?

#11 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-12-05 03:15 PM

re 9 good one

#12 | Posted by HeeHaw at 2024-12-05 04:05 PM

:)

#13 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-12-05 04:08 PM

"The anti-trans ads"

Yes, a terrible problem that ALMOST made the Top 10,000 Problems Facing Americans survey.

A classic Red Herring which pervades even the trusty threads of the old DR, as Trumpers can't actually talk about things like who's being picked to ruin, er, run the government.

#14 | Posted by Corky at 2024-12-05 04:33 PM

A classic Red Herring which pervades even the trusty threads of the old DR, as Trumpers can't actually talk about things like who's being picked to ruin, er, run the government.
#14 | Posted by Corky

Elections are about motivating your voters and demotivating opposition voters.

On trans, a 2.7% shift in the race from a single commercial is HUGE. It riled the GOP base up and got them to go to the polls, or convinced Dem-leaning voters to stay at home or vote third party. The fact that Dems still haven't figured out how to deal with it despite years to prepare does not bode well for their future electoral prospects.

And the immigration issue is real, no matter how much Dems wanted to deny it. That's why Arizona wasn't even close this go-round.

#15 | Posted by censored at 2024-12-05 05:39 PM

Pretty sure you're a ------- ignorant dumbass.

#16 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-12-05 08:06 PM

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