Monday, February 10, 2025

Vance Questions Authority of US Judges to Challenge Trump

US Vice-President JD Vance has suggested the power of US judges is beginning to reach its limit, as the White House responds to a flurry of lawsuits that aim to stall its agenda. "Judges aren't allowed to control the executive's legitimate power," he wrote on X.

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J.D. Vance must've thought he was scoring points by saying "Judges aren't allowed to control the executive's legitimate power," but of course controlling abuses of that power is exactly what Federal Judges must do -- and what Judge Engelmayer did in this very case. search.app/hHJJWzMXS2f2 ...

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-- Laurence H. Tribe (@tribelaw.bsky.social) February 9, 2025 at 6:25 PM

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"Liz Cheney, a former Republican House representative who campaigned in the presidential election against Trump, snapped back at Vance.

"If you believe any of the multiple federal courts that have ruled against you so far are exceeding their statutory or constitutional authority, your recourse is to appeal," Cheney wrote on X.

"You don't get to rage-quit the Republic just because you are losing. That's tyranny."

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"Tyrant Trump"... has more than a ring of Truth to it.

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2025-02-10 11:16 AM

Also, Mr Musk?

www.nbcnews.com

... [Jamal Greene, a professor at Columbia Law School] pointed out that others in Trump's orbit, including Musk, have floated ignoring court orders.

On Saturday, Musk reposted a post on X from a user who wrote, "I don't like the precedent it sets when you defy a judicial ruling, but I'm just wondering what other options are these judges leaving us." ...



#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-02-10 12:16 PM

 

My question ...

If Pres Trump does break the law and ignore court orders, then what?

SCOTUS gave him an immunity blanket with few holes in it to let in the sunlight.


#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-02-10 12:18 PM

One of the things they've floated is the supposed quote from Andrew Jackson that, "the Court has decided, now let them enforce it".

My observation would be that Jackson's Military Brass didn't hate him the way they do DJT.

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2025-02-10 12:43 PM

 

@#4 ... One of the things they've floated is the supposed quote from Andrew Jackson ...

An Independent Judiciary
teachdemocracy.org

... Politics and the Judiciary

Ever since the time of John Marshall, the judiciary has been embroiled in political squabbles, some that have threatened its independence. In fact, the famous case of Marbury v. Madison itself began when President Adams tried to appoint a loyal federalist party man to a judgeship, and the new president Jefferson rejected the appointment favoring judges from his own political viewpoint.

President Andrew Jackson quarreled with Chief Justice Marshall over the court's decision in the case of Worcester v. Georgia. Jackson reportedly said, "Well, John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it." Though it is likely that Jackson never really used these words, the statement illustrates one of the real limits on judicial power. It must rely on the other branches of government to enforce its rulings. ...


#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-02-10 01:09 PM

The Democrats try to claim a highly political justice of the peace level judge owned by Dems should have power to supercede Presidential decision. We need to establish some sense in this practice and ban this policy. It should take the SCOTUS to reverse Presidential decisions.

#6 | Posted by Robson at 2025-02-10 08:13 PM

lmao.... in Trump World, Fed Judges, some of them Trump appointed, are 'justice of the peace' level.

Who ties your shoes for you, Robby Bobby Baby?

#7 | Posted by Corky at 2025-02-10 08:16 PM

@#6 ... The Democrats try to claim a highly political justice of the peace level judge owned by Dems should have power to supercede Presidential decision. ...

... ignoring the Trump-appointed Judges that have rules against Pres trump.

What else your AI Bot got?

#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-02-10 08:27 PM

Saw a hilarious clip from Fox Gnus.... Trump is asked about Vance succeeding him as President, and he practically yells, "NO!" at the top of his voice.

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2025-02-10 08:31 PM

OK, I went to the Way-Back Machine to find my post where I wrned about Pres Trump back in the summer of 2016. I'm still looking, but I did find this excerpt from history ...

Why Mainstream Republicans Fear to Dump Trump (August 2016)
web.archive.org

...
" ... This is the Death of the Republican Party. And its downright hilarious. ... "

" ... Mean while Hillary had Sanders taken out and now it's coming out that she had Seth Rich taken out as he was on his way to the FBI, At least Sanders just got paid off and is still alive. ..."

" ... The ignorant right thinks it is ok to make horrible false accusations as long as they are directed at Hillary Clinton. Shameless cowards. ...



#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-02-10 09:11 PM

Wow, also this ...

Secret Service Spoke to Trump Campaign About Remark (2016)
web.archive.org

... The Secret Service has spoken to Donald Trump's campaign about the remark he made at a rally about "Second Amendment people" stopping Hillary Clinton -- which has been widely condemned as a possible reference to assassination. "There has been more than one conversation" on the topic, a Secret Service official told CNN. Trump said Tuesday, "If she gets to pick, if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don't know." ...


Wow, so Pres Trump apparent encouraging of violence against his political opponents is not something new?


#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-02-10 09:16 PM

Trump will ignore the courts and Congress will allow him to do so. And, as noted by LampLighter here, apparently voters are all in favor of Trump's approach.

Not only do the voters not seem to care ...

CBS News poll -- Trump has positive approval amid "energetic" opening weeks; seen as doing what he promised
www.cbsnews.com

... With most describing him as "tough," "energetic," "focused" and "effective" -- and as doing what he'd promised during his campaign -- President Trump has started his term with net positive marks from Americans overall.

Many say he's doing more than they expected -- and of those who say this, most like what they see. Very few think he's doing less. ...
#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-02-10 07:56 PM

Perhaps Dems should take a page out of Trump's book if they ever regain control of two branches of government again. Put that presidential immunity to work.

#12 | Posted by censored at 2025-02-10 09:46 PM

@#12 ... And, as noted by LampLighter here, apparently voters are all in favor of Trump's approach. ...

Not all, but most.

And, even with that, this is concerning for Democracy.

How Hitler Won Over the German People (2008)
www.spiegel.de

... There were still many Germans who were skeptical of Hitler when he became chancellor in 1933. But Fhrer propaganda and military success soon turned him into an idol. The adulation helped make the Third Reich catastrophe possible. ...


#13 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-02-10 10:02 PM

Time to arm up and storm the White House.

Fat Boy's reckoning is at hand.

#14 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-02-10 10:05 PM

@#14 ... Time to arm up and storm the White House. ...

Is that what MAGA is hoping will happen?

MAGA seems to want to find some excuse to invoke the Insurrection Act.

The Insurrection Act Explained (2022)
www.brennancenter.org

... The law, which lets the president deploy the military domestically and use it for civilian law enforcement, is dangerously vague and in urgent need of reform. ...


#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-02-10 10:31 PM

That's what I'm hoping happens. Full out civil war, conducted using the best asymmetrical tactics.
None of them will know the day and hour.

#16 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-02-10 10:36 PM

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