Wednesday, April 16, 2025

The Democratic Civil War Is Escalating

The civil war in the Democratic Party ratcheted up another notch as a group founded by Democratic National Committee (DNC) Vice Chair David Hogg said it plans to spend millions to unseat Democratic incumbents it believes aren't pushing back hard enough on President Donald Trump.

Posted by LampLighter at 08:23 PM | 22 COMMENTS | permalink

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... Why It Matters

Democrats have been bitterly divided in the wake of then-Democratic nominee and Vice President Kamala Harris' decisive loss to Trump in the 2024 election.

While some Democrats said the party had moved too far to the left and alienated moderate voters, many in the progressive wing argued the party had become too pro-corporation and abandoned the working class.

The divide isn't just ideological but generational as well.

There have been growing calls for new leadership in recent years, with critics arguing that the party's current standard bearers, many of whom are in their 70s and 80s, need to pass the torch to the next generation for the Democratic Party to remain competitive.

That divide has been exacerbated by what younger and more progressive Democrats view as a feeble response to the Trump administration and has led to speculation that the party could be due for its own version of a "Tea Party" revolt from its base. ...



#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-16 08:25 PM

Thesis (Hillary, Pelosi)
Antithesis (Bernie, AOC)
Synthesis (you are here)

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-16 08:32 PM

Take out the moldy old stuff and bring in the new.

David Hogg has integrity.

Does Schumer?

#3 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-04-16 08:37 PM

@#2

Not sure what you mean by synthesis.

But, yeah, the Democratic party seems to be redefining itself.

Can it do that redefinition quickly enough to matter in 2026?

That seems to be the big question.

#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-16 08:51 PM

First tool to filter out the Democratic Party: www.trackaipac.com

Second tool: www.opensecrets.org

Why? www.aljazeera.com

#5 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-04-16 09:19 PM

They lost. They need to be replaced. We need leaders, not -------.

#6 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-04-17 12:18 AM

"Not sure what you mean by synthesis."

thesis -> antithesis -> synthesis is something you were supped to learn in high school.
I am referring to the Hegelian Dialectic as a way of understanding how societies change.

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-17 12:23 AM

"Can it do that redefinition quickly enough to matter in 2026? That seems to be the big question."

It depends on what happens over the next few years.

I'm curious on your thoughts, but at least when it comes to the economy, Trump has gone hard left. Tariffs have for decades been the purview of the far left. Similarly, tax increases on high income earners to transfre money to lower income earners. Not necessarily an economic point, but geopolitical isolation, particularly with regards to NATO, have also been a far-left talking point.

So what does that leave for progressive democrats? Identity politics? That's not going to get the party far. Same with being anti-Israeli.

What's missing in US politics right now is a smaller government, pro-free market candidate. That's the direction I think the Dems could go if they want to win.

#8 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-04-17 12:24 PM

Tariffs have for decades been the purview of the far left.

The Democrats held this view until it stopped supporting Unions and unmitigated unchecked immigration.
Unions detest immigration, and supported tariffs.

Seems like in the 90s both parties detested tariffs, as both were ripping off the workers for the fat cats.

I am referring to the Hegelian Dialectic as a way of understanding how societies change.

Its also method used in conflict resolution or developing ideas.
Statement, Opposition, Integration or Unity.

Your statement is hardly a transition or new idea it really just more of the same. Bernie has collapsed from being a outsider against illegal immigration, to one supporting it, along with the large corporations, and with it the collapse of wages for the average worker. AOC is a tiktok phenom thats about it. What has she sponsored? Disappointed in current Democrat leadership, really nothing liberal, borderline illiberal.

#9 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-04-17 01:10 PM

What's missing in US politics right now is a smaller government, pro-free market candidate.

You don't understand the current Democrat party machine, there's a reason the USAID protests were so strong.

The party sucks off the government via NGO's and piles a percentage of that back into the party.

It will be interesting as Trump destroys this NGO to Party pipeline how Democrats will organize, and where it will get its money. Certainly won't be from any of these posters.

#10 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-04-17 01:13 PM

"Tariffs have for decades been the purview of the far left."

Relevance?

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-17 01:27 PM

"Relevance?"

How can the left promote tariffs as a means of distinguishing themselves when it is one of Trump's most recognizable acts?

#12 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-04-18 10:49 AM

"How can the left"

Who?

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-18 10:50 AM

"tariffs as a means of distinguishing themselves"

A new haircut is a means of distinguishing yourself.

A tariff is a tax.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-18 10:51 AM

"You don't understand the current Democrat party machine, there's a reason the USAID protests were so strong."

I think I understand it better than the Republican Party Machine, which seems to have embraced Dennis Kucinich's political ideologies.

Republicans are now far further to the left than the vast majority of Democrats. This is almost as if Bernie had been elected.

#15 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-04-18 10:51 AM

I don't know where you hatched this idea that tariffs are leftist. I don't think you do either.

When the United States was founded most of our Federal tax revenue was tariffs.
Was the United States founded by leftists?
Are Leftists pro-Slavery, like the Founding Fathers?

There is a special part of your brain that connects Leftists to anything you might not like today, did you know that?

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-18 10:54 AM

there's a reason the USAID protests were so strong.
#10 | POSTED BY 1LUMPYMUSKER

You don't have a clue what USAID is beyond what Musk and rightwing sycophants posted on X.com

#17 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-04-18 10:56 AM

Republicans are now far further to the left than the vast majority of Democrats.
#15 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Of course they are.

"Trust me bro!"
-MadGaslighter.

#18 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-04-18 10:58 AM

tax increases on high income earners to transfre money to lower income earners.
#8 | POSTED BY MADGASSY

Are you talking about that pension you receive?

Taxes aren't a money transfer.

That's something ignorant people believe.

Like you, and Boaz.

#19 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-04-18 11:04 AM

"What's missing in US politics right now is a smaller government, pro-free market candidate. That's the direction I think the Dems could go if they want to win."
Neoliberalism is what got us into this mess, why double down on it?

#20 | Posted by silentwalker at 2025-04-18 11:37 AM

Neoliberalism is a political and economic philosophy that emphasizes the role of free markets and limited government intervention in the economy and society. It advocates for policies such as privatization, deregulation, free trade, and reduced government spending.

Key Tenets of Neoliberalism:
Free Markets: Believes that markets are the most efficient way to allocate resources and promote economic growth.
Deregulation: Advocates for reducing or eliminating government regulations on businesses and industries.
Privatization: Supports the transfer of ownership of public assets and services from the government to the private sector.
Fiscal Austerity: Calls for reduced government spending and balanced budgets.
Free Trade: Promotes the removal of barriers to international trade and investment.
Individual Responsibility: Emphasizes individual initiative and responsibility for economic success.

#21 | Posted by silentwalker at 2025-04-18 11:39 AM

"I don't know where you hatched this idea that tariffs are leftist. I don't think you do either.
#16 | Posted by snoofy"

Maybe it was the Pelosi speech from 2 decades ago when she said they were needed or maybe Biden last year when he used them against Chinese EVs. It is like the deficit - it is only bad for the Dems when the Trump does it.

#22 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-18 08:08 PM

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