Saturday, May 24, 2025

France, Saudi Arabia Push for Gaza Peace by Disarming Hamas

France and Saudi Arabia are quietly working on a new plan to disarm Hamas as part of a broader effort to bring peace to Gaza and push forward Palestinian statehood. According to sources familiar with the talks, the two countries want to transform the Iran-backed group into a purely political organization. Under this plan, Hamas could retain some political role, an offer intended to make disarmament more appealing.

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Hamas voluntarily disarming has as much chance of happening as ISIS giving up its guns, IMHO. But I've been wrong before ...

#1 | Posted by censored at 2025-05-23 03:49 PM

Getting rid of the Likud war criminals is an important step toward any kind of peace

#2 | Posted by hamburglar at 2025-05-23 05:38 PM

Getting rid of the Likud war criminals is an important step toward any kind of peace
#2 | Posted by hamburglar

Welp, peace means Bibi's criminal trial(s) can go forward. At least that's what many pro-Hamas types here have said.

#3 | Posted by censored at 2025-05-23 05:42 PM

Welp, genocide is horrorshow. And you keep saying "pro-Hamas types" like it's ingenuous. You're cheering on the barbarism, and it's disgraceful

#4 | Posted by hamburglar at 2025-05-23 05:46 PM

Throwing in "Iran-backed" is another distraction; Bloomberg News just can't help itself. 25% of UN members do not recognize the State of Palestine, but 75% do. If France President Emmanuel Macron, UK PM Keir Starmer, and Canada PM Mark Carney mean what they say about a peace plan, they should put their money where their mouth is and just recognize the State of Palestine.

Let me help them:

"As of today, _________ recognizes the State of Palestine."

There, nine simple words.

An international arrest warrant issued by the ICC for Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu remains in effect. The indictment reads:

Allegedly responsible for the war crimes of starvation as a method of warfare and of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts from at least 8 October 2023 until at least 20 May 2024.

An indictment is merely an accusation. All defendants are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

Source:

www.icc-cpi.int

#5 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-05-23 06:03 PM

Hamas voluntarily disarming has as much chance
#1 | Posted by censored

Disarming Hamas seems like something IDF ought to be doing.

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-05-23 06:51 PM

Welp, genocide is horrorshow.
Sure is! It's a shame that's the the Palestinians have sworn to do to the Jews.

Hamas's Genocidal Intentions Were Never a Secret
www.theatlantic.com

And you keep saying "pro-Hamas types" like it's ingenuous. You're cheering on the barbarism, and it's disgraceful
#4 | Posted by hamburglar

Barbarism is what the Palestinians did on October 7th, targeting 1,200 civilian men, women, and children for rape and murder. To stop Israel from making peace with Saudi Arabia. And then the Palestinians cried when Israel handed their butts to them, which is what any other nation would have done in Israel's place, except Israel was comparatively restrained with its use of violence.

That was the Palestinian's entire master plan. Commit a heinous act, get whooped, and then cry to make the world turn on Israel (not that there was much turning to do for most of the world).

I'm a firm believer in the FAAFO educational process, and the only way to make sure the Palestinians and other terrorists don't go for a repeat performance in the future is to make sure that they gain nothing from their plan.

I'm all for peace. Unfortunately for the Palestinians, and many of the pro-Hamasers who want to blink Israel out of existence, that will likely mean the Palestinians will have to accept Israel's right to exist. Because 10 million nuke Jews aren't going anywhere forcibly. And then maybe Palestinians will finally have a state, which they have never had in the history of the world.

How Palestine rejected offer to have its own state 5 times in the past
lawandsocietymagazine.com

If they don't want to make peace, then I guess the Palestinians can keep murdering and getting killed for it. I'm not going to spare any of my limited supply of sympathy for those who refuse to put two and two together and learn how to get along in life after repeatedly losing wars that they start over land that they stole from others.

#7 | Posted by censored at 2025-05-23 06:56 PM

"How Palestine rejected offer to have its own state 5 times in the past"

Israel has occupied what was supposed to be the Palestinian state since 1967.

Israel has rejected that there's supposed to be a Palestinian state 1998.

Israel is annexing Gaza as I type this. With plans to exile the refugees they created in 1948 to Africa.

Will that be the sixth offer? You think they'll take it?

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-05-23 08:56 PM

"Barbarism is what the Palestinians did on October 7th, targeting 1,200 civilian men, women, and children for rape and murder."

Killing 50,000 civilians is a greater act of barbarism. As is exiling the remaining few million survivors.

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-05-23 09:02 PM

"That was the Palestinian's entire master plan. Commit a heinous act, get whooped, and then cry to make the world turn on Israel (not that there was much turning to do for most of the world)."

So why'd Israel go along with the Palestinian plan?

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-05-23 09:04 PM

"Throwing in "Iran-backed" is another distraction; Bloomberg News just can't help itself. 25% of UN members do not recognize the State of Palestine, but 75% do."

Sheeit. I don't think Hamas recognizes the state of Palestine, do they?

#11 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-05-25 03:37 AM

"Israel has occupied what was supposed to be the Palestinian state since 1967."

Refresh our memories. How did we get to that point?

#12 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-05-25 03:37 AM

"Israel is annexing Gaza as I type this. With plans to exile the refugees they created in 1948 to Africa."

It sounds to me like Israel is going to have a Marshall plan for Gaza. They just need to make sure they floow through with the denazification of the region.

It worked fantastically in Germany.

#13 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-05-25 03:39 AM

"If they don't want to make peace, then I guess the Palestinians can keep murdering and getting killed for it."

It's very simple. The Palestinians care more about eliminating the Israeli state than they do about establishing their own state. That's been true since 1948.

In their minds, they can only have a state once the Jews are gone.

#14 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-05-25 03:41 AM

Are they wrong?

Israel has done nothing but Kill and Usurp. With the open blessings of the entire Western bloc.

Israelis seems to believe there can be no Jewish state unless "Amalek",is Annihilated.

Seems like a conundrum.

MADBOMBER why are you accusing Palestinians of what Israel is not only advocating, but actually implementing?

Are you perhaps, A Jew? Biased towards the Chosen?

Or just Incapable of seeing what is obvious to anyone not biased?

Go peddle your Genocide BS somewhere else.

#15 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-05-25 09:56 AM

"Israelis seems to believe there can be no Jewish state unless "Amalek",is Annihilated."

Cute, champ. Israel seems to have a plan to de-nazify and rebuild Gaza, once the Islamic Resistance has been defeated. Like the Marshall Plan in Europe post-WWII.

And what if I was a Jew? Would it matter? I would hope not, although I get the feeling that Muslims and Arabs both fall in line behind Hamas, regardless of what Hamas does.

"Go peddle your Genocide BS somewhere else."

You do understand that genocide is Hamas's desired end-state, right?

Would you speak out if it was Arabs or Muslims killing Israelis? I'm guessing not, since that happened and it doesn't seem to concern you.

#16 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-05-25 12:13 PM

It concerns me.

Oct. 7 was a crime against Humanity. Hamas should not have done it.

It didn't happen in a vacuum. The protests for return. Hundreds slain, thousands maimed, for peaceful protests. The glee shown by the killer's, the open social acceptance by most Israelis at the time.

This made me Certain that this Genocide was coming.

Long Before 10/7/23.

Have you No Shame?

#17 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-05-25 01:33 PM

Have you No Shame?

Clearly they do not.

#18 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-05-25 01:43 PM

"It sounds to me like Israel is going to have a Marshall plan for Gaza."

Which part of the Marshall Plan had the Allies exiling the Germans from Germany?

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-05-25 02:57 PM

"You do understand that genocide is Hamas's desired end-state, right?"

You haven't provided enough information to be understood.
Genocide of whom, where, and why?
Is there an end state to Hamas's geocidal plans?

You do understand that genocide is Zionism's desired end-state, right?
Whom: Non-Israeli Civilian occupiers, such as Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank.
Where: From The River To The Sea and north into parts of Lebanon and Syria.
Why: Because religious fanatics believe it benefits religious fanaticism to restore Eretz Yisrael.

Israel has very similar goals to ISIS.

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-05-25 03:04 PM

" Welp, genocide is horrorshow. And you keep saying "pro-Hamas types" like it's ingenuous. You're cheering on the barbarism, and it's disgraceful

#4 | POSTED BY HAMBURGLAR AT 2025-05-23 05:46 PM | FLAG: |"

I'm guessing you jerked off on 10/7/2023

#21 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-05-26 12:30 PM

I'm guessing you jerked off on Oct 7 when Netanyahu ordered Hannibal.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-05-26 12:42 PM

October 7 was not the beginning of this story.

The March of Return and all the civilians MURDERED for standing by a fence was not the beginning.

"Mowing the Grass" was not the beginning.

The gradual Fragmentation of the West Bank by Hostile and illegal settlers was not the beginning.

Israel has Never treated the Palestinians as Equals.

They have taken everything from them in a desire for "Safety and Security". Mostly using Violence and illegal detention.

The Crazies are in Charge, Here in the US,and also in Israel.

More War means More Dead people.

Who Benefits?

#23 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-05-26 12:44 PM

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