Friday, December 12, 2025

Covid Shots Reduce ER Visits for Kids in CDC Study

Researchers found that Covid vaccines reduced the risk of emergency room and urgent care visits by 56% to 76%. It comes as some federal health officials have sowed doubt in the shots.

Posted by lamplighter at 03:32 PM | 19 COMMENTS | permalink

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COVID-19 vaccines protect children from severe illness, a new report from (~checks notes~) CDC finds. Meanwhile, the administration no longer recommends COVID-19 shots for kids.

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-- Charles Ornstein (@charlesornstein.bsky.social) Dec 11, 2025 at 3:26 PM

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... A Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study released Thursday finds that Covid vaccines continue to protect healthy children from severe illness " a conclusion top federal health officials have questioned in recent months.

From late August 2024 to early September 2025, the vaccines reduced the risk of Covid-related emergency room and urgent care visits by 76% among children ages 9 months to 4 years, and by 56% among children ages 5-17, according to the study.

The findings, published in the CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR), are based on an analysis of roughly 98,000 emergency room and urgent care visits. Children included in the study had various levels of immunity from prior Covid vaccines and infections, so the study solely looked at added protection from 2024-2025 Covid vaccines, the authors wrote.

The study appears to counter claims by Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. about the vaccines' effectiveness and address doubts raised by other federal health officials about whether children benefit from continuing to receive Covid shots. ...


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-12-11 03:04 PM

"It's been said that laughter is the best medicine so it's only a matter of time before RFK Jr. bans it."

Andy Borowitz

#2 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2025-12-11 08:29 PM

Dr. Campbell notes that the vitamin D deficiency exposed during the 20's appears to have been mis-analyzed and mis-diagnosed:

Vitamin D mistake 579K views 4 days ago
A Statistical Error in the Estimation of the Recommended Dietary Allowance for Vitamin D (2014)

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4210929/

How unfortunate.

#3 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2025-12-12 05:17 PM

Also, now that there is a universal cancer cure could this nanoparticle therapy incorporate other T-cell antigen re-programming? Maybe a printed antigen?

Hopefully, the most important vaccines will be refined first.

Unless, Trump cuts the funding like he did to pediatric cancer research.

#4 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2025-12-12 05:30 PM

... A Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study released Thursday finds that Covid vaccines continue to protect healthy children from severe illness -- a conclusion top federal health officials have questioned in recent months. ...

My guess is that the person responsible for that release may soon find themself in the unemployment line.

Similar to the BLS director who released job data that Pres Trump did not like.



#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-12-12 08:36 PM

With numbers this small the title of the report should be "CDC Statisticians Struggle and Fail to Understand Statistical Significance.". Gullible public most affected.

#6 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-12-13 12:48 AM

@#6 ... With numbers this small ...

Please describe your understanding of sampling to arrive at a conclusion.

From a link cited in the article ...

Effectiveness of 2024--2025 COVID-19 Vaccines in Children in the United States -- VISION, August 29, 2024"September 2, 2025
www.cdc.gov

For starters, the authors...

... Stephanie A. Irving, MHS1; Elizabeth A.K. Rowley, DrPH2; Sean Chickery, DHSc2; Karthik Natarajan, PhD3,4; Nicola P. Klein, MD, PhD5; Shaun J. Grannis, MD6,7; Toan C. Ong, PhD8; Sarah W. Ball, ScD2; Malini B. DeSilva, MD9; Kristin Dascomb, MD, PhD10; Allison L. Naleway, PhD1; Melissa S. Stockwell, MD4,11; Ashley B. Stephens, MD4,11; Ousseny Zerbo, PhD5; John Hansen, MPH5; Lawrence Block, MPH, MPA5; Karen B. Jacobson, MD5; Brian E. Dixon, PhD6,12; Colin Rogerson, MD6,13; Tom Duszynski, PhD6,14; Michelle A. Barron, MD8; David Mayer8; Catia Chavez, MPH8; Zachary A. Weber, PhD2; Sarah E. Reese, PhD2; Inih Essien, OD9; Tamara Sheffield, MD10; Daniel Bride, MS10; Julie Arndorfer, MPH10; Josh Van Otterloo, MSPH10; Padma Koppolu, MPH1; Josephine Mak, MPH15; Amber Kautz, PhD15,16; Jennifer DeCuir, MD, PhD15; Ryan E. Wiegand, PhD15; Amanda B. Payne, PhD15; Ruth Link-Gelles, PhD15 ...

Then there is this ...

...
Summary

What is already known about this topic?

In June 2024, CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices recommended 2024"2025 COVID-19 vaccination for all persons aged 6 months to provide additional protection against severe COVID-19.

What is added by this report?

During August 29, 2024 -- September 2, 2025, within a multisite network including nine states, vaccine effectiveness of 2024-2025 COVID-19 vaccination was an estimated 76% against COVID-19"associated emergency department or urgent care (ED/UC) visits among immunocompetent children aged 9 months-4 years and an estimated 56% among children and adolescents aged 5"17 years, compared with those who did not receive a 2024-2025 vaccine.

What are the implications for public health practice?

In a population with some persons having preexisting levels of protection from previous vaccination, previous infection, or both, 2024-2025 COVID-19 vaccination provided children with additional protection against COVID-19"associated ED/UC encounters compared with no 2024-2025 vaccination.
...


And ...

... Data Analysis

Eligible encounters from seven participating health care systems, including 256 ED/UCs, during August 29, 2024-September 2, 2025, were included. Case-patients were those with an ED/UC encounter for COVID-19"like illness and receipt of a positive SARS-CoV-2 molecular or antigen test result; control patients were those with an ED/UC encounter for COVID-19"like illness and receipt of a negative SARS-CoV-2 molecular test result.***

Children were excluded from analyses if they received a 2024-2025 COVID-19 vaccine dose



What else yer got?


#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-12-13 01:14 AM

"With numbers this small"

The denominator is 38,000 hospitalizations.

That's a big enough number.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-13 01:47 AM

I read the synopsis, did you? I see you cut and paste random sections, but did you read it? Do you know what is meant by 'statistical significance' and how very small numbers in a large population can skew results? Probably not. I'm talking to an empty chair.

#9 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-12-13 01:48 AM

Show your math. I can be convinced if your math is solid.

#10 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-12-13 01:51 AM

To be clear this is Omicron, which presents in most people as a bad cold.

#11 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-12-13 01:53 AM

@#9 ... I read the synopsis, did you? ...

I did.

... I see you cut and paste random sections, but did you read it? ...

I posted the link to the entire article, which I did read. But If I had posted the entire article, I'd likely be accused of posting a "will of text."

... Do you know what is meant by 'statistical significance' and how very small numbers in a large population can skew results? Probably not. ...

Actually, I do know that.

Back in the day, I worked in a surveying company. As I have stated many times in the past here on this most august message board. I dealt with that on a daily basis.

So a supposition of your current alias is wrong. What else may be wrong about is suppositions?

But I still have to ask, what else yer got? At this pint, your current alias is just exposing the usual ignorance of MAGA.

Do try harder.


#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-12-13 02:00 AM

@#8 ... That's a big enough number. ...

The cited CDC article (released by the Trump CDC --- so, who will be fired?) has this section...

... Limitations

The findings in this report are subject to at least five limitations. ...



At this point, the report looks to me to be quite comprehensive, with a lot of citations to substantiate what it says.

Quite unlike the apparent unsubstantiated trolling that seems to be occurring by a MAGA aficionado here.




#13 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-12-13 02:07 AM

Call - I Don't Wanna (1987)
www.youtube.com

Lyrics excerpt ...

genius.com

...
I ain't here to hold you when you cry
I ain't here to hold your shaky hand
I ain't here to look you in the eye
Or beg for you to understand

I ain't gonna walk you thru your dreams
Walk you thru this life that we all know
I ain't here to listen while you speak
I ain't here to heal your broken soul
Am I here at all?

I ain't here to tell you what you need
I ain't gonna take a noble stand
I ain't here to look you in the eye
Or beg for you to understand

I can only tell you what I've seen
I can only tell you how it felt
When my heart was crushed so bad inside
Till I felt the hatred slowly melt
I don't wanna
...


Powerful song ...

#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-12-13 02:16 AM

"Do you know what is meant by 'statistical significance' and how very small numbers in a large population can skew results?"

Go on, estimate the error bars on a sample size of 38,000, assuming a normal distribution, and a 95% confidence interval.
Plus or minus... how much?

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-13 09:53 AM

+/- 0.5%

#16 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2025-12-13 10:07 AM

It's small enough that we can safely draw statistical inferences.

We were literally discussing block effects at work yesterday, as in, block effects we can't account for because of how sampling was done prior to us receiving the aggregated data.

That's about as far as I got in graduate school in biostats. Happy to take the B on that one.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-13 10:12 AM

Visitor read some stuff and is now trying to sound smart by repeating it while clearly not understanding it.

Because his critique doesn't even fit the study he's criticizing.

For instance, there is no P value to skew with large data sets being analyzed.

It's a simple efficacy study showing 56-75% vaxx efficacy for reduction of hospital or urgent care visit, ie severe infection.

#18 | Posted by jpw at 2025-12-13 11:49 AM

How many individuals make up that difference?

#19 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-12-13 03:30 PM

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