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If you are a theist, you should know what the best translations tell us rather than what most Western Christians believe today. If you are an agnostic, you may be interested in at least what the story really means.

If you are an atheist, you can see what you are actually rejecting rather than what you've heard from so-called Christians.

"No hell below us
Above us, only sky" - John Lennon was basically correct

#2

We only have what is told us through God's ancient followers that has come true, and what we can discern ourselves.

And then there's all the many times that what we have been told became reality, such as the prediction of the manner of death of the Messiah 400 years before the Romans invented it:

"These specific details, written long before crucifixion became a common form of execution, are cited by Christians as fulfilled prophecies in the death of Jesus Christ, who was crucified by the Romans." (AI Deep Dive section)

- Why haven't there been other prophecies that come true?

Who says they haven't? Literally dozens of them point to the Devil in the WH.

Even South Park knows that.

- It has no material bearing on anything in our world if your G-d exists or is a mythological construct.

I'm going to call that, 'progress', lol.

Many bible predictions that have come true:

Many people, across various faith traditions, believe that a substantial number of biblical prophecies have been fulfilled throughout history, citing this as evidence of the Bible's divine inspiration.

These prophecies generally fall into two main categories: those concerning the life of Jesus Christ and those detailing the fates of nations and cities."

Other prophecies relate to the rise and fall of ancient empires and cities, which are often supported by historical and archaeological records:

Fall of Babylon: Isaiah and Jeremiah prophesied the utter and permanent destruction of Babylon, specifying that it would be conquered by the Medes (Isaiah 13:17) and eventually become a desolate swampland, never to be inhabited again.

History records that Cyrus the Great of Persia conquered Babylon in 539 BCE, and the city fell into gradual ruin, eventually becoming the uninhabited ruins found today.

Destruction of Tyre: The prophet Ezekiel (6th century BCE) made specific predictions about the Phoenician city of Tyre, including that many nations would attack it, its stones and timber would be thrown into the sea, and the site would become a bare rock for spreading nets (Ezekiel 26:3-12).

Alexander the Great fulfilled this in 332 BCE by literally scraping the ruins of the mainland city into the sea to build a causeway to the island fortress, which led to the city's final demise.

Restoration of Israel: Prophets like Ezekiel and Jeremiah foretold that after being scattered across the world (the Diaspora), the Jewish people would one day be gathered back to their ancestral land and re-establish their nation (Ezekiel 36:24; Jeremiah 16:15).

Many see the establishment of the modern state of Israel in 1948 as a key fulfillment of this prophecy."

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It was of course argued that the predictions were actually written after the events.

Until the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered between 1947 and 1956... and they contained these writings dated to the correct period hundreds, and thousands, of years before the events.

It gives credibility to the authenticity of the documents as credible writings credited to the revelation of God.

Which point I noticed that you avoid by claiming that it was of no matter whether there is a God or not, sans any argument why that is so.

Which is why I called that progress.

- None.

That appears to be an obfuscative claim sans any argument WHY it doesn't matter. Again.

#11

Do you have a VISA for this thread?

- true stories

No, they predicted events 100's of years, at least, before they occurred.

If you had that ability, you win at the Belmont Stakes.

- These are parlor tricks.

Really? We have the dates of the predictions, verified by scientific methods, and the dates of the events which are well known. How is that a parlor trick?

The payoff is that if these predictions they made happened, then other predictions they made about the End Times they may also happen, too.

And Trump is actually one of the possibilities of literally dozens of predictions by some of the same people coming true.

Who's being purposefully obtuse now?

#18

You're just in denial. Hopefully that will wear off.

- are you saying Zionists do in fact have JHVH on their side?

He never really liked them very much... called them a 'stiff-necked' people, gave them over to slavery for 400 years, made them wander the desert for 40 more just for good measure.

And these same writers in the OT predicted the world as we know it will end on top of Israel's head when they rebuild the 3rd Temple and all their neighbors attack them.

So there's that.

- altered the fate of humanity.

You have high expectations, lol.

And how do you know that the Hebrews in Babylon or Tyre weren't influenced by these, to them, sacred prophesies?

And the prophesy about the Restoration of Israel that came true in the last century? That changed a lot of things, the effects of which are in the news today. (have you actually seen the video or read the transcript at the antichrist45 link that details the descriptions of the AC that DJT fulfills?)

What you seem to be doing is saying, yeah, the singer sang the song, but no one cared and it didn't change anything. Some people cared, and we don't know what influence these prophesies had... then or now.

I think your reaction seeing prophesy realized in history by saying, "So what?" is a defensive reaction that evades the point... that it happened; that someone knew it was going to happen.

How did they know that? Lucky guesses from 100's and thousands of years ago?

Not what I said, as anyone can plainly see.

Perhaps you would prefer the many prophecies about the Messiah, written hundreds of years before Jesus fulfilled them... including the detailed description of his death by Roman Crucifixion that was invented 400 years after they wrote? Those are at the same AI link above.

Oh, and...

AI Overview
The value of biblical prophecies lies in their role as a source of hope, guidance, and reassurance by revealing God's control over history and confirming divine promises. They provide insight into the future, offer a framework for making sense of current events, protect against deception, and are considered to have a strong connection to the integrity and reliability of scripture itself.

#27

They call you, "Stretch", right?

#30

Ignoratio Elenchi

#31 see #32

- Tell me what I'm missing

What you seem to be intentionally missing is that prophesies fulfilled provide, " a strong connection to the integrity and reliability of scripture itself." from #28

#34

My hope is that you are being facetious... no one person or group of people created the geopolitical realities of the ME or the fate of the Jews in Germany.

That's like saying that Lady Jane won the Belmont because her trainer is so good; there's no one reason she won.

#35

Nonresponsive. "a strong connection to the integrity and reliability of scripture itself." is what emphasized.

- How many prophecies have come true?

A lot, with many more to come. Including about the current geopolitical situation in the ME.

- the answers don't get better when the child has grown.

Perhaps if the child ever actually studied the material they would better understand.

What did you think of the antichrist45 information? Or anything in the thread link? Or the deep dive at the AI links? Or even just the links themselves?

- a coincidence

Yeah, right. You know, I have some swamp lan... er, real estate down here you might be interested in.

But then, since you've put no effort into your studies, kid, there's no reason you would know how unlikely the 'coincidences' might be.

But hey, you've prolly never seen proof that biblical prophecies dated (scientifically) way before the actual happenings could be credible... and point to the further credibility of the texts.

(a couple of hours later) meme

I just happened to watch short you might like, Snoofy, that was posted today. This kid is Alex O'Conner, who has been a dedicated atheist for years; a former New Atheist who has himself publicly debated most of the top theists.

A Brit from Oxford, who is well respected by all sides. He's recently said he is more agnostic now. Brilliant guy, think you'll like him. (this is a friendly chat with a theist guy, "Bear" Grylis, another Brit, and an adventure explorer/film producer).

Cheerio, dude... and thanks for the (fairly!) reasonable chat here.