Donner,

"Found this out in a bar late one night."

Are you sure you're not talking about a drag queen?

I doubt actual transgenders, who are risk averse, would attempt this trickery understanding the danger. It actually does happen and sometimes ends up violently.

Your scenario sounds more like the drag culture, which is more closer to prostitution and casual sex encounters.

You don't really understand transgenders as well as you think.

Interesting post.

Snoofy,

"You obviously don't believe transgender people actually exist."

That's not true, and you don't get to put that on me. I knew people who were gender nonconforming long before this became political. I once lived immersed in the gay culture.

I had a friend who could wear jeans and a shirt and easily pass as female. At no point did he claim to be female, and I never treated him as such.

There has always been a meaningful dividing line between drag, men who cross dress for gratification, and people who identify as transgender and present that way on a daily basis.

What I've noticed today is those labels are being blurred, and I think some people are misusing the transgender label in ways that didn't used to be.

Acknowledging that difference isn't denying anyone's existence. It's refusing to pretend all categories mean the same thing.

Dan,

Like I said, liberals stabbed transgenders in the back.

Ultimately, transgenders are not going to get certain accommodations. It's fairly obvious where things are headed now.

And even worse, laws will be passed now in states probably forcing them to lose their good thing of being able to use women's restrooms freely.

And it's not transphobia.

It's just liars lying.

Dan,

You're one those brain-washed liberals.

You're hopeless so no point in us going back and forth.

Dan,

"Trans women go to the bathroom in the same place other women do"

No doubt this has been going on thousands of years. Of course you're right.

But how many people actually believed this man wearing women's clothes is a real woman?

That's recent nonsense from liberals.

If she presents well enough, she might pass except of course where she lives people will know.

But...like you said depending on how they were dressed a particular day, they might use one restroom or another.

It all changed when it went political. School systems were actually siding with the progressives trying to force the issue into schools.

And then the sports issue became a problem.

You just gonna have to face the truth.

Liberals stabbed transgenders in the back who just wanted to live in peace but they got turned into a circus.

It's not transphobia.

Liberals are just liars lying.

fyi...you got a d***, you're a boy

Snoofy,

It wasn't until liberals or progressives started pushing to make it into a school policy, or someday a law, letting boys use girls bathrooms that suddenly people cared.

It wasn't transphobia. It was suddenly something parents got interested in real fast.

Democrats are just liars lying calling this transphobia.

Snoofy,

"Where do you think trans people went to the bathroom before?"

I have no idea.

People didn't care and didn't talk about it.

Redial,

"But butch lesbians are just fine, correct?"

Women have been wearing men's clothes, going in and out of women's bathrooms, for a long, long time.

So what's your point?

Clown,

Transgender acceptance changed immensely when things turned into boys going into girls restrooms in schools and males joining females sports teams.

Calling that transphobia is a lie.

You heard nothing about it from the straight culture until our children might be forced to share restrooms with the opposite sex and women's rights were being stolen away from them.

It's just common sense. If you have a penis stay the f*** out of girls restrooms and with sports, males and females don't compete against each other for a reason.

Nothing to do with transphobia.

Just liars lying.

Clown,

But we also need to keep in mind the expectations need to be different for minors and adults looking into a sex change.

That matters immensely.

Clown,

I see it as misguided liberals pushing their own opinions.

The court opinion written in her case did not mention political motivation.

But we know, don't we?

Clown,

"Why don't you actually read the article."

That's what it says....but I am still free to believe what I want.

How the courts treated it to win 2 million dollars isn't necessarily how people will see it.

It was politically motivated first and foremost.

Bell,

"Transgenderism was celebrated for years and it went WAY too far. "

I agree it went too far.

For example, a famous case was Christine Jorgensen. She captured the public's attention and was in the news.

People even used her new pronoun.

But at NO TIME did anyone believe she literally became woman. She was a man who physically altered himself to appear as one.

But from what I recall there was not a political motive or any pressure on people to praise her decision.

She was a news story and nothing more.

Today, by contrast, we're are commanded to believe she literally became a woman and expressing criticism of that belief would be forbidden in some environments.

Sy,

"(this is a med mal suit)"

Are you denying how politically charged this is?

How is this medical malpractice?

The procedure was performed successfully and exactly as the patient, parents, and doctor expected.

There's no allegation of negligence or deviation from properly performing the procedure.

The objection is political motive and not medical failure.

Those are not the same thing.

Alex,

"The therapeutic process is grueling. Try meeting some actual trans people, dude."

I think the issue here is adults are old enough to fully comprehend and certainly legally authorized to make their own decisions.

This person was 16 and had a double mastectomy.

If a young person is talking about suicide, they need mental help.

Laura,

"The only ones who are reporting this are right wing "news" sites."

Thanks Laura for proving my point.

Snoofy...here ya go.

Yes...Laura...this is news.

I checked and last I saw Huffington Post, Washington Post and CNN did not report it.

I'm not surprised.

Been expecting something like this.

Over reaching liberals wrecking some kids life.

How long have people been saying not enough mental evaluating is going on and they should treat that first?

Snoofy,

Not interesting in your opinion.

Just anything that might answer my question.

What has anyone found that clears up that question definitively.

I didn't say they killed him because they recognized him.

Don't imply I meant something I didn't.

What I meant was when they discovered a gun on him and possibly knew his reputation, they may have felt more threatened by him and that made them react.

I have a question if anyone has read anything that would answer it.

At the point where someone yells "gun", people moved in on him tighter and one man manages to retrieve the gun by reaching into the swarm of men on him.

My question based on what I can see in the videos, is there any chance the man who shot him missed the part where another agent got the gun and turned to leave. Did the man who shot him possibly think the gun was still in play?

Reading about that, there does seem to be the possibility. They didn't know he even had a gun at all and was surprised by it.

It was a split second between one agent reached into the mess of people on him, retrieved the gun and turned away and then the shooter fired his gun.

It's seems possible the man who shot him still thought the gun was in Pretti's possession.

Try to resist all the name calling and answer like a civil human being.

Clown,

"What's the purpose of posting this thread?"

What this video showed me is that Pretti's reputation likely preceded him.

He may not have been unfamiliar to the agents who took him down before his death. His anger and aggressive nature were already known.

Finding a gun on him would have made him appear even more threatening.

And these are only the incidents caught on video. According to his ex, he was also present at the George Floyd riots, suggesting a broader pattern of volatile behavior.

Justified or not, his temper was out of control.

Yav,

Nope...you're information is incomplete.

Snoofy,

"When did Don Lemon do that?"

Nothing you paid any attention to, I'm sure.

You have teeny tiny tunnel vision.

Shrimp,

Hey...did you need to include a gay insult running down Lemon?

Just don't include that when you attack Lemon.

Yea...he even managed to be too sleazy for CNN.

Leave the gay stuff out.