Rsty,

"So clearly, Bill has no interest in being part of any party claiming to be the "party of law and order.""

Democrats are the party of law and order?

You must be hitting the bong hard tonight to be off in that fantasy.

I'm leaving on vacation in a couple of days and have a lot of helping packing to do.

I won't have time to enlighten you guys for a couple of weeks.

Going with all the family.

Alex,

I'm all for releasing them.

Don't assume otherwise.

Rsty,

But on a positive note, if people do get angry, they'll know it was democrats who caused it.

Rsty,

What I mean is, something like this could create international fallout.

For centuries, keeping powerful people's sexual proclivities quiet has been part of the unspoken code.

Some call it discretion, some call it snitching when it gets broken.

My personal opinion doesn't matter here about right and wrong.

The simple reality is if you start airing out the private lives of high level figures, you can make it a lot harder to get access, cooperation, or information from them in the future.

There's a reason to not go around exposing everyone's secrets. It closes doors.

Censor,

"since there's nothing they could contain that would make a difference in your mind?"

yea...in your mind....that's pretty well describes the whole problem

It's all in your mind (and all you are able think about)

TDS

Rsty,

I just hope these Epstein files Democrats are demanding don't turn into Pandora's Box that everyone ends up wishing had stayed shut.

God only knows how many people in politics, corporations, or even foreign governments might get stung once everything comes out.

Rsty,

"Which according to you, and not the courts, is totally okay, right?"

Well....a guys gotta--------, don't he?

"Before we go out to eat, and return to your apartment for drinks, may I have your prior authorization to begin foreplay?"

Censor,

Wow....you really get into this, don't you?

Your fanfiction piece is pretty violent.

Such a vivid detailed imagination.

Butter knife...

I made the mistake once (and only once) of seeing a video of actual beheading in the Middle East. The screaming that morphed into gurgling you don't forget.

In your fanfiction, are they gurgling? You left that out.

Rsty,

Concerning Trump and lingerie, there was nothing more than finger.

She claimed there was more but she failed to convince the court.

To hell with the court. Right?

Rsty,

"In what way? Be specific."

People in Mexico are starting to realize their solution is fixing their own country and not looking north.

Have you read the news?

Rsty,

"In what way? Be specific."

People in Mexico are starting to realize their solution is fixing their own country and not looking north.

Have you read the news?

Alex,

"We're done. You're an absolute monster."

I have a question for the straight guys who read this.

How many of you have been with a woman, started touching or initiating foreplay, and did not stop everything to formally ask, "Before we go any further, may I put my finger in there?"

I'm not talking about forceful or "up to the knuckle."

I mean the normal early stages of intimacy feeling around, trying to see if she's receptive, maybe getting a little of her essence on your finger.

Is that rape?

If she pushes you away, were you "raping" her in that moment? Or was it a signal to stop, which you then respected?

There's a difference between initiating and forcing.

One is how human intimacy usually works. The other is a crime.

If we pretend those are the same thing, then every man on this site is suddenly a felon.

Laura,

Are you a cultist becausd you support Democrats.

That's just politics.

Censor,

"I'm just asking if there's a "bottom" beyond which Trump would lose your support."

When he is no longer able to perform his duties as President.

It's never been him I support.

I support what he's doing to help America.

Rsty,

"It's really simple, Bill. Do you believe Trump when he said that he routinely commits sexual assault against women?"

You must be talking about the Access Hollywood tape from 2005:

"I'm automatically attracted to beautiful [women]. I just start kissing them. ... I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything ... Grab 'em by the -----. You can do anything."

What else would you be referring to?

To me, that doesn't prove anything beyond the fact that he's a blowhard. It was a stupid thing to say. It's so over-the-top and self-damning that I don't take it as a literal confession that he "routinely commits sexual assault."

Do I believe him? No.

If women come forward with credible evidence, I'll listen. I know many are afraid to do that, and that's unfortunate.

But it's going to take more than that tape and what I've read so far to convince me he's out there molesting women. With his wealth and power, he shouldn't have any difficulty finding willing women.

Rsty,

Minors....

Stay focused.

I'm not interested in the lingerie story, where she surely would have been crying out, but oddly no one came to see what was going on because there was no one else on floor.

Yea...such credibility.

The question with the Epstein files is were minors involved and with who?

Censor,

"------- tearing, would you care"

Exaggerating much?

Alex,

I never said I approve of it.

I also don't approve of women lying and setting men up.

You'll have to direct that question to the men on this site. Is getting your finger stinky rape?

Rape requires penetration with a penis under the law.

Anything else falls under different categories of sexual assault.

Alex,

I know that.

But the "lingerie room" story wasn't about a minor, which is the whole point of the Epstein saga.

She claimed penile penetration, and even the jury didn't buy it.

Alex,

We have to wait for more evidence of both.

I accept both are bad boys but which ones are stupid enough to mess with minors.

That's the question.

Larry Summers was Treasury Secretary under Clinton.

Now that his name showed up in the Epstein material, he's suddenly vanished from the media circuit.

Funny how that works.

Summers' connection to Epstein does raise the question since his relationship with Epstein overlaps with the Clinton era he served in, what else was going on that nobody wanted to talk about?

Redial,

Trump said we're wasting too much time on this.

He'll sign it.

The Epstein file release is likely going to Trump's desk tonight.

House and Senate passed it.