jerks...so much for spell check.

Fiend,

No. I took advantage of opportunities and with a spirit of helping others, I improved my life.

Not all people I worked for were Jenks.

Now I'm retired and have a peaceful life, I am grateful to God for.

God might provide opportunities, but I did the work.

Db,

"rather than responding to questions you've prompted."

I've been insulted all my life. Comes with being a gay person.

My parents rejected me and it was ugly crap.

The military was horrible and pushed me out for being gay. The process was awful.

My career I have helped so many companies with their accounting and endured so much from them. It was usually a few months so I just took it. Most of the time I'm finding stuff people do wrong.

May last job was hell. There was the usual owners son who is so often an a%%. I am really quite gifted doing the work I did.

So...I come on here and take crap from ------ who are so brain washed it's pathetic.

If I feel like leaving....I leave.

Here I don't have to put up with it.

Db,

Good thing I'm not admin.

Speak,

You don't understand that a gathering like this isn't praying to Trump.

Trump is the last thing on their minds.

You got something you want to say to me?

How DARE taxpayers pray during a gathering!

Fiend,

I'm dropping out of this nonsense.

Let the experts talk among themselves.

Db,

What does linking to scripture have anything to do with ICE, the Constitution or amendments?

Doc,

"Probably not what you think it says."

No doubt neither does the 4th.

Snoofy,

How about the 2nd Amendment? What does it say?

Fiend,

"Do tell us, "Perry Mason," when are judicial warrants NOT required ? ? ? ?"

I'm not the one who fancies themself on par with a lawyer.

You should be asking Snoofy. He's the legal expert.

Snoofy,

Obviously you missed your calling.

Instead of trolling blogs, you should be a judge since you believe yourself qualified.

Snoofy,

People often accuse Christians of treating the Bible like a menu.

"I'll take this verse, skip that one, and ignore the uncomfortable parts."

In other words, they accept the scriptures they like and disregard the rest.

I'm not a lawyer, but it appears people often do something similar with the Constitution.

Then you have the plethora of court rulings interpreting the Constitution, sometimes differently depending on the circumstances and legal arguments involved.

I don't claim to fully understand all the laws involving ICE.

But people can't honestly pretend they support the Constitution while selectively deciding which legal interpretations or court rulings they accept only when it benefits their side politically.

Regarding ICE specifically, sometimes judicial warrants are required and sometimes they aren't, depending on the situation and the laws involved.

That's simply the legal reality whether people like it or not.

Lamp,

"OK, now do ICE home invasions without a judicial warrant."

I wasn't aware that warrants were always required by law.

There are circumstances where ICE is allowed to enter.

And sometimes ICE must have a warrant.

Laura,

Referring to my earlier post.

They could add a couple more beds for you and Fiend.

The four of you could make your plans to bring turmoil to the world eradicating all law enforcement.

You four could go by the name KAOS.

Fiend,

Snoofy,

These ICE agents are hiding their identities for their families sake.

These men don't need to feel threatened at home by some crazies who are obsessed.

Fiend,

The reason I don't always discuss specifics is because it's not the point of a post.

I mean....you start out by accusing me of hating Renee. Why would I hate her? Actually, it appears to me Renee was likely going to follow directions but her girlfriend standing there urged her on to takeoff.

And Alex, there were several men over him and they were surprised to see a gun. The man who reached into the huddle and grabbed the weapon did so in such a way reaching between arms, they may have thought the gun was still in Alex's possession. Alex had a long standing history of using physical force.

In both cases it was unnecessary to kill them and ICE overreacted. Of course we know that now. Hindsight makes everyone an expert.

Two things happened as a result of these shootings. First, ICE has likely been given additional training and the anti-ICE protestors don't appear to be so forcefully aggressive interfering with ICE agents.

That's my opinion.

Snoofy,

Referring to my earlier post.

Maybe you and Clown could share a room.

I suspect you're both certifiable.

Clown,

"The sooner you and people like you die off."

You're making a pretty strong argument for bringing back asylums.

Redial,

No...you aren't getting it at all.

They died for a cause.

I don't approve of their actions. That is what got them in the wrong place at the wrong time.

But, their deaths were not in vain, like so many are every day.

Dan,

"They hide their faces and their badges"

Be honest with yourself for a moment.

You know good and well why they feel they must protect their identities.

If you can't show any compassion for them and their families, I'm really sorry.

Dan,

I won't discuss the specifics of those 2 deaths.

Who I believe is responsible and how they could have been prevented.

I will say I believe they died for their cause and their deaths were not in vain.

They both pushed the envelope and actually accomplished what they wanted to do.

Fiend,

"entirely convinced they are winning people over"

No...you have me all wrong about what I believe.

I appreciate people like you and Dan and Laura and others.

I frame my thoughts here that I use in the rest of my life.

Dan,

"Instead, ICE has gone after the easiest of the easy."

How do you know that?

Have you been traveling embedded with them?

You have any earthly idea how dangerous their jobs are?

You're talking as though every ICE operation is simple and risk-free when you really don't know what they deal with.

Every day they go into situations most people would never willingly walk into, and they never know exactly what they're about to face.