Hey, wingers, why isn't DJT in the Senate facing his accusers right now? I thought that was a big deal for you, him being able to get a fair trial. Is he even going to show up?

The case is so weak, the Repubicans have failed to offer ANY defense, LOL. Elect a clown, expect a circus.

The real problem here is that the Russiapublican Party has painted themselves into a corner, and they're acting like they're cornered, too.

There is no defense of DJT, and there will be none.

Everyone knows he's guilty, they're just struggling to find a way out of admitting it.

The stronger the Democrats build the case, the worse it's going to be for us when the Russiapublicans concede our government to Orange Furious.

The Republicans are taking their chances with backing Dictator Donny, they have chosen this because either way they're committing political suicide. One version still gives them a shot at keeping their jobs, the other requires courage to do the right thing, and the results are bad for the Party. We all know that courage has not been on the menu for a long time.

If the case is too strong, which it is, I am pretty sure that the Russiapublicans are just going to pour salt on the ground and light up the flamethrowers.

Can you imagine how bad of an ex president he is going to be?

Hannity is going to have to visit him in prison to get an interview.

What we have here is really quite simple. The Democrats have laid out a case that the Repubicans are unable to counter. When your "client" is guilty, you use every tactic imaginable to get him off on whatever technicality you can. In this case, they're going for the "You didn't conduct a trial prior to releasing your indictment, so we're not going to use your indictment during our trial" approach. Their "client" is incredibly stupid, to boot.

I'm really surprised that Roberts hasn't just shut down the kangaroo court already and pulled the boys into a room to tell them it's over for their guy and to cut bait. That kompromat must be really juicy. When this is all over, and the kompromat is released anyway, all the righties around here will be selling some other snake oil and denying they ever liked Hair Furor, LOL.

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Haha, OK. This is TOTALLY the SAME, right?

In 1999, there were witnesses, and evidence and documents during the Starr investigation (Whitewater). We have none of that here. The POTUS committed his impeachable act in real time, then refused to comply with the investigation. Apples and oringins.

Keep swinging for the fences, though, you might get one of your false equivalences to stick.

Once the House managers are done the defense takes over and will probably move the needle in the other direction.

Again, there is zero evidence that this will happen and there is even less of a chance that it will happen. That needle is not going any direction other than more in favor of Drumpf being removed.

Repubicans have miscalculated here, and outside of the Fox bubble, most Americans can see that the Emperor has no clothes. It's bad for Repubicans, and whenever Moscow Mitch refuses to allow evidence and witnesses, he makes more people outside of the Fox bubble understand how guilty Drumpf is.

This is a total tire fire.

McConnell just backed down already. This is all a Hail Mary pass. Sometimes they work, most of the time, they don't. Still a lot can happen during this trial, but as of right now, the Repubicans look like trash. I doubt those optics get any better over time, just like trash.

The needle has been pegged at over 50% in favor of impeachment and removal, so that whole, "This isn't moving the needle" nonsense from you, JEFFJ, is getting old. We all know that the cult isn't going to change its mind, so even a 1% or 2% shift in public opinion is a big deal. We're getting there.

Using your argument against you, the needle not moving in the opposite direction is really bad for Repubicans. It means that they are failing to exonerate the POTUS. If you think that the needle inching towards a higher percentage of people in favor of impeachment (done!) and removal (we'll see...) is somehow going to translate into a landslide victory for Drumpf in 2020, then I have a bridge for sale that I think you're going to be very interested in!

John Roberts gets to watch his legacy destroyed by these clowns. Captain Kangaroo, lol.

Looks like Parnas went to the media because Barr is using the DOJ to go after him, despite Barr being implicated in the issue by multiple people, the POTUS included.

You righties keep finding those talking points, though, it's entertaining to watch the lengths you'll go to pretend that there's nothing to see here. LOL. Traitors, and you're not very good at it, either.

Parnas and Drumpf go waaaaay back. Parnas used to work for Fred Drumpf.

typo, but it still works...

He's not a "whistleblower," he's just a criminal who is protecting his own --- by making sure his co-conspirators don't get to pin everything on him. He's certainly not a leftie, and we don't particularly care to have him on our team. We don't mind him explaining to everyone what part he had to play in the ever-growing criminal enterprise that the right still can't seem to explain away, let alone defend.

You righties haven't offered up any reason to consider that POUTS isn't completely guilty, but you sure do have a lot of excuses for why this is all the left's fault...LOL.

If witnesses are called in the Senate, Drumpf's presidency is over. If witnesses are NOT called in the Senate, McConnell's tenure will be over.

That kompromat must be pretty incredible...

I think the question posed to me was that, if the evidence proves he's innocent, will I accept the results. And my answer is yes. I'm not a Repubican, so things like the Constitution and the truth still matter to me, despite my political opinions.

I am fine if the evidence shows he's innocent.

So far, he has prevented evidence from being presented, as innocent people always do. I would ask you if you will accept a "prosecution" that refuses to look at evidence, call witnesses, or focus on the actual charges in front of the president, as opposed to random conspiracy theories that are unrelated to the case.

If an acquittal occurs without a real trial, then no, I won't accept it. If there is evidence presented that he is innocent, then yes, I'll accept it.

Pretty simple stuff, really.

Withholding appropriated funds from an ally who needs them, illegally, for personal political gain in order to gin up a conspiracy theory that aids a hostile power in undermining our elections is plenty. The case is solid. The evidence is solid. We don't need to end the Articles of Impeachment with the line, "We call it The Aristocrats!" in order for the very specific, very clear abuse of power and obstruction of Congress Articles to be enough. That albatross necklace might actually stick this time.

And I was upset about how she handled the Mueller Report. I was, and still am, critical of how long it took her to get to this point. But I'm glad she did it her way now, because she is winning.

Pelosi played it perfectly. By delaying the introduction of Articles to the Senate, she let the story unfold more, while Donny Small Hands was stewing in a mixture of rage, demetia and fear. She also managed to get Moscow Mitch to go from "We're going to just dismiss the case and if that fails, forget about witnesses" to where we are now. It's not her fault that Leningrad Lindsay, Moscow Mitch and the other members of Putin's American division very publicly stated that they would not be running a legitimate trial. But she used that stupid disclosure to put pressure on them over weeks while the right wing spun out of control trying to come up with any reason they could muster to rationalize and defend their treasonous behavior in this.

From a political standpoint, the Republicans have completely lost their leverage, which included the obstruction of justice points of the Mueller Report...they had a plan for how to defend all of that. They have literally nothing now, because the guy they're defending is guilty and everyone knows it.

Those were impeachments? Wow. I must not have been paying attention in history class. Well, Whitewater led to the impeachment of Clinton, for something completely unrelated. I never said any of the other things were impeachments, but please continue to stuff straw into your argument.

*snark off* I didn't catch the snark. Ironically, all of the events that I mentioned happened long after I stopped taking classes in history. Keep going to class, you clearly need the help.

Gotta love the desperation and blind party allegiance non-sequiturs these hyperpartisans come up with Irony, again, lost on hyperpartisan trolls who fail to see how their retort bolsters my point. I'll help you out here: If HRC were president, the hyperpartisan Republicans would have started impeachment on day 1. Like, delivered subpoenas to her as she stepped off the podium after taking her oath. All of the investigations I mentioned were actual investigations that have happened - some of them led by the current POTUS's hand-picked investigators. Some of them were carried out by the last Republican Congress. An important thing to note is, yes, none of them resulted in impeachment (aside from Whitewater). In fact, I mentioned that in some of the cases, the defendant was exonerated. So, while we're talking about it now, the current investigations into the president HAVE resulted in impeachment. Despite unprecedented obstruction of the investigation, refusal to allow witnesses to testify, refusal to release documents...all of which will come out over time. The idea that continuing this investigation, when every time a new fact comes to light it makes the case against the president exponentially worse, is a fool's errand is laughable. Republicans are still chanting "lock her up" at rallies, even though every single investigation into her has come up empty. On the other hand, Drumpf has actively tried to prevent the truth from coming to light, because the truth is, he's guilty. Nobody who has evidence that they "did nothing wrong" refuses to come forward with the evidence. The fools in this case are anyone who believes Drumpf. Quite a lot of them here on the DR.

Jeff's right whether you like it or not. Even a hyperpartisan should understand that. If you don't, well, chalk it up to yet another reason why Democrats are perpetually clutching defeat from the jaws of victory. Meh, he has an opinion. His opinions have frequently proven to be wrong. It's really less about him being right, and more about trying to save face and present Democrats in a bad light. The time to join patriotic Americans in protecting our Republic has already passed...now it's going to be a perpetual effort to justify being a traitor. Not-liberals are incapable of accepting when they're wrong, I don't expect any of you to start now.

Politically, it's a fool's errand to run perpetual impeachment and it's short-sighted as hell.

Says the guy who sides with the Party who investigated Whitewater for 7 years, Benghazi 8+ times, HRC's emails (exonerated, again), The Clinton Foundation (exonerated), Seth Rich, Vince Foster, Gary Condit...

It's really tiring being on the side of truth when people like you can't admit when you're wrong. There are no participation trophies in this round.

Good luck with your eventual grasp of reality. It won't be easy for you.

It was a joke. You're going to go though some things, like the evidence. You're not going to go through some things?

We should just purge everyone. Start over from scratch. Funk the Republicans, take them all off, too.

Clean slate.

@JEFFJ

The House can keep impeaching. Republicans will own everything that comes out over time. If they acquit and more crimes are revealed, which didn't happen to Clinton, and we all know that more crimes are going to come out, then they're on the hook for all of it.

Better to cut bait. At this point, they should be happy they're not being exposed too.