My understanding is that particular weapon has a twitchy trigger, meaning slight top of barrel touch and the weapon can discharge.

IMO it was handled with care, so its not negligent discharge, its an accidental accidental (gun defect).

Some lawyers have mentioned SIG might be culpable in this case.

#3 | Posted by oneironaut

You keep talking about this like you have a clue.

It has nothing to do with the trigger. In the handful of incidences where a defect has been proven, it's been found to be due to worn/weak springs in the secondary safety within the striker housing. Weak spring = safety doesn't engage, allowing striker to impact the primer if the gun is jolted the right way.

In any case, I see no reactions by any of the agents to indicate a negligent discharge. At least two officers would have been struck by debris caused by the round spalling if it had gone off and you would have at least seen a reaction from the guy holding it.

If they really do mock the 250th anniversary of the DoI by putting a bust of that s*&^stain's face on a coin, I'll be sure to collect as many as I can and put them all on railroad tracks or something. Destroy as many of those absurdities as possible.

I swear Americans in the aggregate aren't even curious about their own system

I swear, you're a stupid f*&^ and reprehensible piece of s*&^ whose sole aim is to sew misinformation and deceit.

Both the traffic and getting mixed up with the agents were inappropriate behavior.
Just an observation. I wonder if he stuck his nose into things at work.
#75 | Posted by BillJohnson

No, it just goes to show you're an idiot who doesn't have a sense of community or responsibility.

I've stood in a street and helped direct traffic when lots of cars are snarled and it's hard to move. Not because I felt I was something special, but because having some source of unified organzization can make some situations go much faster and easier.

Telling people who are legally allowed to carry........that they can't carry.

#6 | Posted by eberly

I said from the moment he was elected again that I was going to laugh when Trump turned out to be the most anti-gun POTUS in our lifetimes.

If I own a business open to the public and I don't want guns brought into the establishment I don't have that right is that what I am hearing anyway???

#4 | Posted by LauraMohr

No, you can still post signage stating no guns in your establishment. And you can call the cops if someone carries into your establishment and won't leave after you ask them to.

But it's not a criminal action to carry in establishments that have signage against carrying guns.

This case is about overturning a law that can get someone into legal trouble when they otherwise wouldn't be because express permission was not granted.

Reminder at this very moment the federal government is arguing before the SC that a person can conceal carry a gun onto private owned land against the wishes of the property owner.

#2 | Posted by truthhurts

That's true in all the other states not passing the laws in question.

Because those laws slipped criminal consequences in when owners didn't give EXPLICIT permission to carry on their property, meaning even if they don't care but didn't give permission, you can still be criminally charged.

In any case, in all the other states without those laws, you can carry into stores/businesses ect, even if they have a posted sign on their door. You just can't remain there if you're caught and asked to leave.

I'm genuinely glad to read this thread.

I stated on a previous thread that I thought the only positive to potentially come out of Pretti's murder was to cause disgust in the professionals who may have issues with the current use and policies of ICE.

It shouldn't have taken the murder of a man to make it happen, but at least the agency isn't full of people who don't are or, worse, support the actions and mission.

#112 | Posted by BellRinger

Open the link before running your idiot mouth.

Obstruction of the big brave ICE agent shoving a woman to the ground.
How is shoving women to the ground a duty of ICE agents?

Apparently, one can't intervene in the violation of another person's 1A rights...

You must stand by and watch the assault and hope there are no significant injuries to tend to after the limp d*&^ed ICE s*&^bag walks away.

The sociopath that executed Alex Pretti was an 8 year ICE officer.

They've released the identity of the shooter?

BUT he was not "helping her up"; he was attempting hands-on obstruction of agent therefore earned an arrest.

He was shielding her from assault from an ICE Napolean complexed s*&^bag.

Is 4chan a site you frequent?

Anyone want to explain where this officers head is. This is one of your pics floating around the internet.

#49 | Posted by lfthndthrds

There's a mix of images out there because people are trying to filter still frames through AI to enhance or clarify existing photos.

The whole video, raetard. And testimony from agents as well as witnesses. Maybe some body cam with the audio that can be fully understood.

#41 | Posted by lfthndthrds

You're dodging the question.

What would you need to see that you haven't seen yet that would change this from state-sanctioned execution to justifiable use of force?

You seem to be hiding behind an undefined new, yet to be seen information in the hopes that it vindicates your blind support of these s*&^bags.

MAGA really is the bottom of our societal barrel.

Jesus Christ ballwasher is one stupid pile of s*&^.

I know this is common sense that evades Liberals but you don't show up at a hot protest with a loaded gun with a loaded magazine. He didn't deserve to die but if you had a brain don't show up at a "peaceful protest" with a loaded gun.

#27 | Posted by fishpaw

Nobody cares what your p^&&% a&& thinks.

He was legally licensed to carry that gun.

It's funny that you think the extra magazine indicates some sort of nefarious intent. Meanwhile, a significant number of carry holsters come attached to...a side car for an extra magazine.

Because carry a spare magazine is standard, basic protocol for most CCWer practitioners.

#18 I'm pretty sure they did react... by pulling their triggers.

#22 | Posted by kwrx25

A weird way to react to hot fragments of copper and lead puncturing your shins...

And were there any easily verifiable evidence of any agent on that scene having a bleeding, active injury this administration would be milking it for all it's worth.

They are not spread evenly at all. It doesn't take much for a state to add or lose seats due to population shift. Again, basic math and a rudimentary understanding of our civic processes.

#80 | Posted by BellRinger

I posted a link showing the changes that would occur if non-citizens were excluded.

Only six states would have a change in their number of representatives. A few gained a seat, a few lost a seat.

You squawk about people not having a rudimentary understanding while you constantly butcher any decent argument in favor of simple regurgitation of what you read.

So...what is your solution to the objectives ICE is dealing with?

#44 | Posted by BillJohnson

I've never had a problem with actual enforcement.

But this isn't even enforcement.

Not when you're telling people "be legal" then close their case and arrest them when they show up for their hearing (ie being legal).

Not when you're changing the legal status of entire groups of people then kidnapping them off the streets.

Not when you're claiming to be only going after criminals then release internal numbers that you're doing anything but. (If you have to lie, you're not it...).

There is literally nothing right about what is being done because the end goal is NOT immigration enforcement. It's just cover for any manner of illicit or illegal ends this administration is after.

I mean, c'mon Bill. The regime has had two agents execute citizens in broad daylight and given them complete immunity to do so...

...and you're bitching about people protesting these actions in their communities as if they don't or shouldn't have the right to protest those actions in their communities.

You're a vile piece of s*&^. Another one that I hope reaps the whirlwind of what they're supporting and cheering on.

#20 | Posted by BillJohnson

It's funny how quickly the right have become unabashedly unAmerican pieces of s*&^.

I could go on, but structurally, I know your mind can't comprehend the facts, because you're running on emotion, given your language and lack of curiosity.

#6 | Posted by oneironaut

None of you paid foreign agitator bulls*&^ justifies what ICE is being used for.

Sorry, s*&^heap, but as usual you can just f*&^ off.

I have no idea because I wasn't there.

I see. So you're "just asking questions."

What hypothetical can you list that would change the outcome of this event? What would you like to see on a video that would make you think ICE acted appropriately?

You're seeing videos that you have no idea what happened prior to the clip beginning.

Ahhhh yes, the old 'lack of context' argument.

What context could possibly justify a man being accosted by six agents then shot in the back/back of the head while on his hands and knees?

Don't dodge with some stupid trucker fantasy, seriously lay out what "context" could be shown in a future video clip that would change the outcome of this analysis.