-I stated on a previous thread that I thought the only positive to potentially come out of Pretti's murder was to cause disgust in the professionals who may have issues with the current use and policies of ICE.

Knowing every move by ICE would be chronicled by millions of cell phones and knowing we would be putting angry hostile people together in these situations.....you know the probabilities of that happening was pretty high.

Think about most of these newly hired ICE agents. They perceive themselves as patriots serving their country. And by country, I mean a democratically elected president and congress that decided they belonged where they are being deployed. The American people have been pissing and moaning about illegal immigration for decades.

I know it's insane to see it this way but the starting point of these hostile confrontations is a resentful and pissed off ICE agent (who believes they are patriots serving their country) being confronted by American citizens who are obstructing their ability to do their jobs.

I know that was written in such a way that I'll get accused of defending ICE and ICE agents but I'm not......I merely stating this from their perspective and it explains why they seem justified in shooting people.

They're wrong and misguided as hell. They don't understand why Americans would get in their way.

-Surely, some of them do

What do the rest think, then? It's about the money? That's it?

It's not about patriotism to them?

What do you think motivated the J6ers? Patriotism.

Hell, Tim McVeigh believed he was being a patriot as well. That's how screwed up people are.

-Giving them the benefit of any doubt is a dubious position indeed.

I guess I should have explicitly stated that I'm not giving anyone the benefit of any doubt.