We are going to disagree on the effectiveness of some left policies, and that some of their unimplemented platform points being good or bad for the country, and if they have skewed more progressive from center left. It's a useless exercise. However I can concede the R's responses have not been any better.

On the topic though, I do feel that the majority of the moderates in the country feel that the lefts policies have become much more progressive and that the litmus test used by the left has become more extreme. You disagree, that's what makes the world go 'round.

I can't name any policies that you would agree harmed America, because you refuse to look at anything objectively. If it's left you agree, and if it didn't turn out well it was something else's fault, it could never be the policy. So why would I try?

Corky, you don't think any of the lefts policies pushed moderates away from the left and to the right during the election?

#33 I know you don't think that a many of the policies the left backs is 'more left' than they used to be... But they got Trump elected. If you can step back from the state of politics, and take a hard look at the fact that people preferred HIM over the lefts policies you'd possibly see it. I don't mean all the left, I mean the extremes have gotten more extreme. The problem is they have gotten more vocal, and therefore garner more attention/blame than their parties deserve. I think the far left has been more successful at being 'heard' and skew a lot of peoples perception of the left as being more left than they are on the whole. But perception is king.

I don't know that I see it differently, and I don't really know this guys history or stance on issues. I have to assume that he's not into the fascists agenda though, and dropping out surely won't change things.

I wish I had the magic bullet and could say "we need to do x to achieve y"... But the right is so far right, and the left is so far left that we are stuck in a self feeding downward spiral of each party bringing out more and more extreme versions of their leaders to satiate the base.

The only way forward is for the moderate majority to stop supporting the parties. An R or D will still win the Presidency next go 'round, but it should be with minimal turnout. The parties need to get the message we don't like either platform and you need to change.

ready for that nuance part snoofy?

I was never a member of either party, My position is that no party should have any base or pre counted votes. If either party wants me to vote for it, present a platform I can back. They consistently do not. I live in a hard blue state, so I vote 3rd party in an effort to grow the % of people voting for neither. I also know this doesn't impact the outcome of the election.

This guy however is part of the party. Therefore should be working from the inside to do exactly what others like me are looking for, a platform we can support. Dropping out is the antithesis of what he should be doing if he wants to remain in politics and the R party. If he's going to change parties, that's another story.

Notice how I never called him a -----... My point was that just quitting was not going to make change, in fact he left a vacuum for someone to step into to do more of what he was against potentially.

Now to get this right, I'm a good stepping Nazi for my posts... but, I'm also wrong if I criticize the republicans too. P

Donner you have assumed many times over that I voted for Trump and assigned me positions on that. Only to be told you're wrong about who I voted for and that wasn't my position.

Yet you come along again with this tripe PROVING my point, and you're off celebrating your big dunk on me. This site is truly amazing.

I suppose you're right... I say something moderate with nuance and your retarded brain hears MaGa mAgA MaGa...

I guess that's on me.

Well, of course... most of this site assigns positions to people, and them demonizes them for said position.

#9 "you laughed."

well that's ------- news to me

I don't like what my party is doing, so I'm dropping out.... there's a way to make change, smh.

there's a blast from the past. Happy Bday

what the hell do the germans know about this?

#18 I'm pretty sure they did react... by pulling their triggers.

#13 Great suggestion for a site that is supposed to be about discussing issues.

#13 Great suggestion for a site that is supposed to be about discussing issues.

We have a lower age limit on the Office, why not a cap?

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"We have had half a century to find a good solution to the problem of nuclear waste, and we are no closer now than we were in the 1960s. That is because there is no "good solution." We will never be able to find a risk-free method of storing nuclear waste."

There doesn't appear to be any great solutions to storing CO2, "holding" it in the atmosphere is working out amazingly bad for our long term prospects as a species.

It would seem the risk/reward may fall in favor of nuclear despite the drawbacks. If we continue to wait for a magic bullet solution while we improve renewables, we'll pass(even more than we have) irreversible tipping points.

boycotting the busses was a huge symbolic win, that didn't hurt the black community beyond not riding the bus.

boycotting your local economy has immediate ramifications that then hurt you. The federal government isn't going to even notice if the Minneapolis economy crashes... hell this administration will probably cheer it.

I'm not saying to do nothing, but this is action with no win and only self harm. Your example wasn't the same thing.

Do you always just immediately refute me, do you even attempt a discussion at any point anymore? I'm actually agreeing with you mostly on this, and you'll still push back.

I get your point Snoofy, but tanking it harder is to what benefit?

It's like pointing a gun at your head and yelling stop or I'll shoot.

so they'll hurt they're own economy to...?

Clown, jSeemingly if it could cast a wide net, and catch the majority of the middle class in it a foothold could be gained. From there amounts could then be varied, etc...

If it could replace other programs at the same time so it seemed more "fair", do it to get it enacted, and tune from there.

With the advent of AI, and jobs being replaced at both the manual and now intellectual level... something has to get done.

UBI makes way more sense and would be infinitely easier to sell to the public at large than student loan forgiveness.

Laura, I think there is a difference between someone finding themselves homeless, vs the perennially homeless.

I didn't read the article so maybe I'm way off base.