#1... They'll just claim that msn is just bigoted and hateful too.

Sad news.

I wonder if his last words were "SHAAAAROOON!!!"?

He probably thought it was real

Slave wage - under the table, below minimums would be an example. Exploitive Wages or working conditions would be another.

and yes both parties have kicked this can down the road as they both benefit from using this wedge issue, my feelings have not changed, and I've stated this opinion many times. As it has become an issue with more attention, of course the ability for my thoughts to be noticed by you comes to light, but they are not new, and me voicing them is not new.

you assigned me a lot of positions...

What I want is a sensible border policy, that we enforce. I want sensible immigration policy that doesn't exploit. I don't want our Gov't to say one thing, and then do another and employee a slave wage class.

I also don't want to sugar coat the issue. We are treating people as a slave wage subclass, no sugar coated words. At the same time those that illegally enter the country are illegal aliens, and not some other softer sounding term.

Given that it's possible to discuss and try to define what those sensible policies should be.

Really what we have now though is one parent that wants to take the kids to Disney, and one parent who realizes the roof needs replacing and the car needs tires. So they say no Disney... Because they obviously hate their kids.

So yes, I think we should arrest and deport. Humanely, and not as it's being done now. So don't assign me supporting 100% of the issue. I can support fighting and infection on your arm, without supporting amputation. AKA It's possible to support an issue but not the implementation of particular solution.

"Different day, same ignorant hatred."

It's not hatred, it's acknowledging that words have meaning, and when you have to reframe the debate by changing the 'acceptable' terms you don't really have an argument you just have feelings.

Yes the plight if illegals is terrible, but it doesn't make them not illegal aliens. Changing the language multiple times so that we land on undocumented is trying to recast the narrative.

Cancer? oh... ugly word, unintended growth, there that sounds better.
Parasite? oh can't have that... unexpected internal cohabitant, does that sound more appealing?

So yes, with no hatred, Illegal Alien. That's the term.

oh Laura, the left just wants soooo badly to control language

"That's a derogatory term"... I suppose you feel we should use under documented unofficial guest immigrant?

Of course you do, it sounds softer. Well, too bad, the proper term is Illegal Alien. We already gave enough ground allowing Illegal Immigrant to take hold.

Snoofy, you kind of went off on a rant, but in it you did direct a question to me along the gist of "ending an ectopic pregnancy is ending a life", and that should cause some form of moral dilemma for me. At least I felt that was the intent, perhaps it was the intent to infer this could cause a coding issue for the doctor to record the procedure.

Addressing the first possible intent, my personal take on abortion is that it does end a life and that should be acknowledged. It's also my personal take that life and conscious life are different(to me), and that does allow for compassionate abortions. Daily life is not a collection of black and white issues and experiences, and while I found it incredibly unfortunate to end a life to ensure the safety of the mother, I feel strongly that an abortion in that case should be acceptable. So there is no moral dilemma there for me.

I believe that since you asked the question others have addressed that there shouldn't be a coding issue for ectopic vs abortion. If there is an legal ambiguity then it should be of the highest order to address in the law.

#25 - HOLY S****. A post on this site that it reminiscent of the quality of discourse this site had back in the day when I first joined. Thanks for bringing a bit of sanity Sentinel.

#18 you all want this SOOOOOO badly to be unclear, but it's not.

even in legalese it's pretty plain language that treating an ectopic pregnancy will not be considered an abortion, and doesn't need to be reported as one.

Twist it around all you like, it's what the doctors that vote left are doing by pretending they're afraid of this, but it's political theater and pretty disgusting.

this is why having "loose" application of immigration laws and sanctuary cities is bad. It keeps these people in a limbo of being a sub class working for slave wages. The left needs to move away from supporting flaunting immigration laws, and the right needs a sensible and humane way of enforcing them and be willing to negotiate to account for the realities in place. As we stand now though, we are using people as political footballs and expecting them to accept under the table slave wages.

#44 I thought the argument though was that the citizenry would be useless against the military even with AR-15 type weapons, so that's why we didn't need them. Now you claim rocks and fireworks are enough. I'm gonna need you to pick one of those statements.

Rocks and fireworks are enough
or
Even with AR-15's people don't stand a chance

A lot of tyranny, dictator, secession talk...

Who wants to revisit the 2nd amendment and who NEEDS an AR-15 like weapon discussions now?

The democrats don't have to get rid of LGBTQ from their party to be successful. They only have to be semi-moderate in regards to it. Instead right now it's an all or nothing litmus test, and that is what is pushing people away. Being just a bit less dogmatic on their TQ stances, Kamala probably would have won.

"I have made it very clear.
1 )This does not bother me.
2 ) It will eventually work itself out."

It's interesting that it doesn't bother you. A core tenet in the lefts platform is protecting right especially historically minimalized groups. Here though you have two groups that meet the criteria, so for the left it's a circular firing squad. You can't back on minimalized group without impacting the other. The only answer is that one group, trans or women, aren't going to get everything they want.

Your response there, Is it doesn't bother me... and it'll work itself out.

In any other circumstance, you'd be all in on the side of the the group that is pushing for their rights. It's not clear cut here though so you claim disinterest, and claim sexual fetish for anyone that does want to weigh in on the topic. smh

Yet you're the one who keeps barking about. Have you considered discussing this from a fairness perspective and not a sexualized fantasy perspective?

Or would you rather keep throwing rocks at yourself, and yelping about it?

What is your bizarre fascination with making this a hidden sexual fascination? This is a matter of sporting and fairness.

Your insistence that it has to be more than that for me seems more like projection on your part at this point honestly.

How does "I have family that competes in women's sports" translate to you that this topic makes me question my sexuality.

It's comments like that, that really show you're the one with the sick viewpoint on this subject. Seek some ------- help man, not everyone views life through questioning their sexuality. You need help.

It would have to be linked as it is what allows the tool into the mix. I do think those stats are misused. I don't think lumping in suicides with violent acts is correct. I would also compare acts of violence in general with the world, and not gun violence alone.

Hopefully I answered your question?

replace right with left, and you're describing yourself Danni.

"Your entire agenda here is denying that a woman can be born anything but female. That's it."

yes.

A man can become a trans woman, a trans woman is not the same thing as a woman. Close neighbors, but they are not in the same house.

men =/= women. They are different.

Are you claiming that black people are different? Please tell us how black people are a different thing than white people. Should be interesting.

To answer your question snoofy, exactly because of the Testosterone I'd put them in the mens category too for competition.

None of this is a perfect solution. But it allows everyone to play/compete, while not interfering with the rights of girls/women.

At least this way everyone gets to participate

Trans athletes should compete in the mens/boys. Exercising their rights shouldn't restrict women's rights. They have a right to compete, not saying they don't. They don't have a right to women's sports though.