The right cut too arbitrarily and the left hasn't seen a social issue they won't throw money at. There needs to be a mid-ground.

Snoofy never considers that it's not only that some people find the Rights message appealing it's that a lot find the far lefts message repellant. Combine with the far left eating it's own if they don't fall in line, people silently move right.

Are those not under the properly umbrella?

Given the advent of all I said above, One poster here definitely will be proven right... it's time to take a hard look at Universal Basic Income. The only alternative is that like the Blacksmith example... If you look at the jobs that existed then vs the jobs that exist now the vast majority did not exist back then. The jobs of tomorrow, probably don't exist today.

Anyone saying that it produces mostly garbage hasn't used the newer models that came out in the past 3mos to write code.

I wrote an app at last week in 15 minutes that continuously updates an html file on disk for me that autorefreshes in a browser. It scans my outlook, webex, Jira, and github and creates a running list of issues of note for me to act one, and a todo list based on other signals from those tools that I most likely need to take action on above awareness.

Those 15 minutes of time prompting the AI has saved me hours everyday since I wrote it. If you call that "garbage" then I think your bar is set way too high. The past few months have shown an exponential improvement in the coding quality in the newer models. Opus 4.8 just came out, maybe even just yesterday, so we'll see if the improvements continue to improve at this rate.

Start learning how to use Gemini, Codex, Claude, to write skill files to start cloning your abilities in different parts of your job, or someone else will be walking you out the door.

Hugh you think AI is an American driven issue alone? This is a global shift regardless of the political, societal, or ideology leanings. China is driving forward with AI just as much. Blame on stuff, call it evil, etc... but it's not going away. Get on board or get left behind.

And i'm sure every key point in history had someone grousing and carping about the loss of jobs to a new technology.

Just look at society since the blacksmith has been put out of work, evil capitalism!

Might it be the intention to PROPERLY enforce immigration law? Seems like a reasonable politician could reasonably want to support that.

#44, and why are they trying mass deportation? in response to earlier actions. Not saying this is right or the earlier actions were wrong. Each side feels they are taking appropriate actions in response to the other(right or wrong).

So if we are going to get out of the situation where we have vigilantes we have to look how the back and forth occurred and what each sides perception was and what they thought they were acting in response to and trying to achieve. Again whether it was right wrong or the other. Right/Wrong and blame do nothing in figuring how we got here.

I'm happy to attribute all benevolent intent to the left, and pure evil in the intent of the right to walk through it. That gives at least one scenario to discuss how do you walk it back, or a different path out of it.

This whole thread is trying to assign to me a both sides are bad view, or that the left did nothing.

This isn't a both sides are the same thing, and the left most certainly is a player in this. I think what you mean there is that the left did nothing wrong, and all the rights actions were done in a vacuum.

Happy to roll that one around too, but I think it is more beneficial to discuss it as the left being an active participant. For instance the Left did enact sanctuary cities. Right or wrong in your view, it was still an active action in this story. So they did SOMETHING, and the right responded to it. You may feel the response was bad and that is fine. It was still a back and forth.

Snoofy, there is a difference in ones actions leading someone else to take actions that cause you to take actions... ad naseum.

Ultimately someone will do something stupid(pose as a fake agent) but that doesn't mean you are at fault.

However, it is necessary to step back and view how that back and forth has gotten us into an environment that is enabling bad behavior, in order to try to unravel the bad situation.

Now I know your only goal is to somehow twist that mean I'm blaming anyone other than the bad actor committing the crime, so I look forward to see how you twist my meaning. What it really does show is you're just intent on proving "Right/Maga bad, see!?", but try and discuss the problem instead.

When the hell did I say I support the police hiding their names?

I'm talking about how we got here not if any of it is right or wrong. How we got here and understanding it is a first step in getting out of it. We cant have nameless faceless officers and vigilantes.

Everything else above you assigned to me and is not my position

the left has pushed open borders snoofy, then sanctuary cities.
The right got power and upped enforcement.
The left doubled down on sanctuary and enforced stricter no cooperation
The right sent in more agents
The left started doxing
The right started wearing masks

It's all --- for tat -------- rather than a comprehensive non-partisan approach to an immigration policy reform.

regardless of who is wrong or right you can't agree that the current situation of vigalantes impersonating ICE is due to an out of control arms race of each side trying to one up the other in escalating the stakes?

This thread in a nutshell...

This whole country is evil, racist, homophobic, transphobic... You're all bigots and and evil and this whole country deserves to burn because of you!!!! Hey why didn't you vote with us?

Glad to see you're engaging and adding to the conversation Legally. Always looking forward to your insightful and thought provoking takes on current issues.

I guarantee the wrong thing in this post gets the focus of attention but please try to read the intent.

This is an unfortunate outcome of the escalation of activities on the left and the right in regards to illegal immigration enforcement.

The left hasn't cooperated, so the right upped the intensity in areas of sanctuary cities in response. So the left tried to impeded those agents, and the right brought in more unqualified agents, and this back and forth has escalated. Now even the good agents are doxed and have to hide their identities.

This opens the door to vigilante impersonators.

Like the language around gun control... we need to de-escalate the immigration issue, and come up with some common sense cooperation on it's enforcement for the safety of all.

I knowingly concede in the climate we are currently at this won't be possible. I'm not assigning blame or excusing anyone, I'm only stepping back and looking at the state of the state on this. If you want to assign a position on the topic to me based on this post, you've missed the point of the observation.

#9 Jesus Christ you're a --------... My post was clearly written from the perspective of looking back knowing more, but remembering that at the time there was a lot of talk about his district not being a continuous area but a collection of differing areas of the state. I didn't really know what it meant at the time, but it all came back to me with his passing and all the happening in CA,TX, and VA as of late.

And I said kid, not toddler. I was old enough to have clear memories of it and was probably in middle school. That's old enough to get the gist but not care about the details.

You call my points/positions political ignorance, I call it not being blinded by party loyalty.

I lived in his district but was only a kid and not aware of politics... Looking back even then I do recall the battles over districting, gerrymandering, etc... I always thought it was weird that the parts that made his district weren't even connected, and being an adult now realizing just how disparate the make up of the citizens in those geo-areas are/were. Seems like some issues just keep repeating themselves.

I don't fault him, he played the game as the cards were dealt and as said above was an effective rep.

You should be able to say what you want regardless of how despicable it is. You're not free from the consequences of those words, but the consequences can't come from the Gov't. It's really that simple, how the hell did this turn into a felony arrest? SMH.

#7 Snoofy, since I don't vote for republicans and I've told you that I thought you might figure out that isn't how I feel on this. You're right, the id's that are being proposed don't work. You'll note that I said in vague theory it's not out of bounds to consider it, obviously it would be a specific ID that would indicate citizenship.

#8 No, they live here and the policies my impact them, but they are not as fully invested. The moment the consequences of choices aren't good, they can just pick up and leave. Citizens cannot. They are less vested in good long term solutions than a citizen SHOULD be.

For many I think the concept of voter ID is mentally linked to citizen only voting(rightfully or wrongly so). I don't think it's out of bounds to have the position that only US Citizens should be voting in our elections. If I stay at my friends house, I don't get a vote on where they'll go for their family vacation.

#58 Only an idiot would think all of those protests were "mostly peaceful".

Having been on a BIG10 campus at the height of the protests, I can assure there were violent pockets in those protests and friends of my son who were Jewish had to hide in Hillel on more than one occasion, blocked from entering campus buildings, or intimidated from even stepping foot on campus.

Just because you call something a protest doesn't mean it didn't get out of control.

#81, I'm assuming was sarcastic since I hadn't responded.

work issues. haven't been able to catch up on this thread.

The thread is directly related to polls of both parties being asked if they approve of violence for political means. The percentages for both parties was not the majority, for either side. The lefts numbers were larger though, and had increased.

That is the topic, I know sticking to a topic is rare here, but that's what I was doing.

Two examples, the reactions to the killing of Charlie Kirk, and the CEO of United Health.

Not the actions, the celebrations.

Facts were posted on this thread already Clown, I shouldn't have to and won't summarize the entire thread on each post I make.

But... recent polls showing a marked difference in the percentage of people who are accepting of political violence, and I'll add a cnn link below this that basically speaks to Corky's point. Yes the right owned this perception in the past, but as of more recently the left has erased that margin, making them the driver of the violence as of late.

Corky, the problem with that is this.

Here is a made up example that is a rough analog.

If we look at the past 15 years and accept for arguments sake that the Rwing was the driver of accepting or enacting violence to reach political ends, but it's shifted to the left over the past 5...

I'm not going to care about the first 10. In the now, it's the left, and we need realize and address it. It wasn't right 10 years ago, and it's not right now. Whataboutism isn't going to improve the situation, and letting it continue will definitely get us to a worse place. If this has all been a back and forth wave, it feels as though that wave amplitude is increasing. At some point something will snap. For the good of all of us, ignoring it now because it's this teams turn to do it can't be acceptable.