#21.... ?

wow

"Great. I guess that excuses how she conducted herself then." - Hag

She only behaved badly when viewed through the lense that she was the bad actor here. Knowing now that she apparently wasn't the one stealing the bike from the kids she comes off a lot different I'd say.

#5 so if it's realism, and I agree... Then wtf was the rest of the Kabuki theater of forming a committee, getting a recommendation, etc...?

#38 or I can review the study, which indicates otherwise.

Not sure why your anecdote is supposed to somehow carry more weight than a seemingly well done study.

Why are arguing against just taking a look back at how care was approached, and could have been done differently to have a better outcome?

To your own analogy wthey focused too much on the bullet and let the patient bleed out.

Probably worth learning

Sycophant and Snoofy... I did read the article.

It was thought that what was killing people was from a cytokine storm. Instead they're realizing that potentially more died from pneumonia than those that died DiRECTLY from the virus itself.

'Bacterial infections may even exceed death rates from the viral infection itself, according to the findings. The scientists also found evidence that COVID-19 does not cause a "cytokine storm," so often believed to cause death.'

You're blending the two were the studies findings specifically realizes that treatment needed to deal with them separately

"Our study highlights the importance of preventing, looking for, and aggressively treating secondary bacterial pneumonia in critically ill patients with severe pneumonia, including those with COVID-19," said senior author Benjamin Singer, MD, the Lawrence Hicks Professor of Pulmonary Medicine in the Department of Medicine and a Northwestern Medicine pulmonary and critical care physician."

Too much effort was focuses on what may now be a disproven cytokine storm and not enough on other follow on infections.

sorry... A prominent Uni.

I'm thinking they did what he prescribed protocol was, and looking back it wasn't the right move.

I didn't post it with some "ha gotcha" motive. Covid has been a major story and impact on our lives studies from prominent Universities that show we didn't approach treating patients with it in the best manner seemed like something worth discussing.

Since it's getting latched onto... There's only so many characters allowed in the headline... The cure line is referencing the treatment of putting patients on ventilators, which worsened things as this is now showing. Obviously there wasn't and isn't a cure.

#12, Sow doubt about what?... couldn't be a more telling statement that you're more interested in defending a narrative than anything about the truth of covid

#11 legallyanegativeIQ trying to chime in... shut up, the the adults are trying to discuss things.

#13 That was pretty much the reason I posted it. There was a lot that could have been different in how things were approached. Apparently trying to learn from those things is a partisan issue now.

They're saying going on the ventilator with pneumonia is the wrong move. How do you not get that? They should have treated the patient differently and could have cut deaths.

This goes against some narrative you want to protect, so damned be learning from our errors?

They're saying going on the ventilator with pneumonia is the wrong move. How do you not get that? They should have treated the patient differently and could have cut deaths.

This goes against some narrative you want to protect, so damned be learning from our errors?

It's fascinating just how much the point of the article went over your head Tor.

It's fascinating just how much the point of the article went over your head Tor.

Read the link Jack... they're saying it was more pneumonia and how it was or wasn't treated along with the incorrect approach of putting people with pneumonia on ventilators.

Did Cain die of pneumonia complications... I don't recall

The good thing that will come out of this time period is that all the -isms and -phobes will be completely meaningless. It might just be the things that get us to a post racial/identity politics world. People throw the terms racist, racism, transphobe around so easily and casually we might finally be able to get past them.

I never meant to infer that gay and flamboyant weren't independent of each other... Not all gay men are flamboyant, A heavy number of flamboyant personalities are gay but not all.

It would go against the point that flamboyant seems to be an extreme personality characteristic, and one that for some reason has come to be an indicator for Trans women. As if flamboyance were a characteristic of being a woman.

#69 no one is saying he's a woman or flamboyant so yet again your whataboutism analogy sucks snoofy

Being a diva isn't the same as being flamboyant... and even if it's a close cousin for arguments sake... it's a characteristic unto itself. It's not part of being a woman... Why we think flamboyant men have somehow hopped genders is crazy. Transgender is becoming a catchall and folks like Laura are more than happy to defend calling them Trans because it finally gives them a voice even if ultimately it is going to cause a negative backslide for them.

---- you Laura... and I call you Laura because you actually are trans and not playing woman face.

I know you're a minority and dying to have anyone "join your team", but flamboyant dudes playing woman face are helping your cause.

In the meantime, ---- off sport.

I'm not the one that brought it up either --------.

surrounded by idiots here... pretty good expertise on picking you out as one.