-I'm open minded to the possibility

To what? Read the rest of your post. You are way too angry with the world around you to be open minded about anything.

It's OK. You have company....

#142 | Posted by eberly

That post was written calmly and rationally. You can't refute any of it so you retreat into "Oh yeah well...you're upset!"

National health care is statist.

#146 | Posted by Ray

And corporate healthcare is corporatist. At least we elect the socialist health care doesnt have to pay a giant wall street middleman hundreds of billions of dollars.

That describes the large majority of politicians. Washington is the major league of sociopaths.

#141 | Posted by Ray

So is wall street. The difference is we can vote out sociopaths in washington. If you stop supporting them.

They don't call it the Loony Left for nothing.

If at first, second and hundredth time you don't succeed, try again harder.

#36 | Posted by Ray a

What was the point of that post?

Can't you at least offer some climate denial propaganda? If you dont think it's a problem, let's see your proof.

If you're going to say scientists are looney, who's NOT looney? Trump? Climate deniers who get their info from the heritage foundation? Come on ray, bring it. Who do you choose to trust over scientists?

Translation: An intelligent conservative is a conservative who agrees with Speaks.

Hint-there is no such person.

#135 | Posted by Ray

Many sociopaths are intelligent. They simply don't care about policies that harm innocent people and therefore shouldnt be in power.

I've pinned Speaks down on this on multiple occasions. From his POV there are ZERO intelligent conservatives who aren't - Greedy - Evil - Ignorant - brainwashed - any combination of those attributes. Not. A. Single.. One.

That degree of self-professed omniscience wears thin pretty quick.

#133 | Posted by JeffJ

I'm open minded to the possibility. But it's really a paradox. How could an intelligent person not care about the future of the planet, unless they are intelligent but also sociopathic? And if a person only cares about their own wallet and not the future of society, how is that not a form of ignorance and stupidity? If a person cites the arguments of polluters, whose arguments have been proven wrong time after time, how is that not ignorance?
How could a person who's NOT ignorant say that tax cuts pay for themselves or trickle down economics helps the middle class?
How could a person who isnt ignorant and brainwashed think that russiagate was a deep state hoax and trump has no shady allegiances to putin and isn't openly asking other nations to interfere in our elections on his behalf.
How could an ethical or patriotic person fight to keep the most unethical president we've ever seen in office even when he openly commits crimes and ignores the constitution?

You tell me...

And I fully know you're not the only one who was bitching about him.

#128 | Posted by eberly

Seriously....speak....at least be honest. What you mean to say is " Goatman ruined threads.......for me"

#126 | Posted by eberly

That sure was a quick 180.

I've probably taken more college courses in ecology and environmental studies than any of you hysterics.

#32 | Posted by nullifidian

From where? Trump university? Liberty University? Koch brothers community college?

There's no way anyone who has studied the issue would conclude that man isn't in danger of doing massive harm to our society from what we are doing the the environment.

Seriously....speak....at least be honest. What you mean to say is " Goatman ruined threads.......for me"

#126 | Posted by eberly

Go back and read any thread that goat is highly active on and see how long it can go before he reduced it to petty squabbles all about him. Petty arguments about semantics, whataboutism, who lied 8 weeks ago, how 6 is totally different from a half dozen, and debate techniques that aren't fair (that he also uses), and how dare you call him a name (before he calls hillary supporters -------)... On and on. Every day.

If you think I'm the only one who wont miss him you have a poor read of the population.

I just wish this site had some INTELLIGENT conservatives who can offer a well reasoned counterpoint and a rational debate. It's been a long time since we've had any of those. But in the age of trump they've all gone into hiding and all we're left with are driveby trolls and highly active moronic masochists who think upsetting people and clouding every issue is the same thing as winning.

I never said that. What I have said is that the problem is wildly exaggerated in order to further the Left's traditional agenda, some version of socialism. You can believe in moderate, manageable AGW without buying into catastrophic global warming. The former doesn't require the latter. But you people need to push the apocalyptic version to scare people into accepting radical policies you want with or without CGW.

#27 | Posted by nullifidian

The left doesn't care HOW you address climate change, they just want you morons to do SOMETHING.

That's why we offered cap and trade. So the wall street greedbags could profit off a solution. But that wasn't good enough for them. They still whine about having to do ANYTHING that hampers maximum profits.

YOU tell me a solution to climate change that doesn't involve rules. And the only thing that can enforce rules is government.

Capitalist under regulation got us where we are today. Sorry but unregulated capitalism is not going to solve it.

The fact that you're too stupid to see the potential catastrophes resulting from climate change doesn't mean they don't exist. That's a failure of your education, not science.

To this day, the only person dumb enough to discuss her private positions being different from her public positions was Hillary Clinton.

#15 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

HDS

*Nothing wrong with recognizing the problems posed by a warming planet and advocating for measures to try and mitigate it.

#24 | Posted by JeffJ

Nulli never does that. He simply whines about environmentalism as if the fact that scientists cant give an exact figure on the date of no return means scientists dont know anything and therefore we can pollute all we want.

Well, OWS, you got what you wanted. Goat is on a 3-week vacation.

Never mind the fact that certain lefties are bigger trolls - Snoofy, Angry Dad, Rein, Monson, just to name a few. But, Goat plays for the wrong team and a subset of the DR left are among the biggest snowflakes on the planet....so, here we are.

#118 | Posted by JeffJ a

Really? What was the straw that finally broke the camel's back? I'm amazed it took this long.

There is no bigger troll than goat. Every thread he showed up in got ruined. At least the other trolls like nulli and sheep just pop in, say something they can't defend, then run away. Goat would stay all day derailing every thread into the most pathetic squabbles over semantics.

We've had "10 years left" since 1989, 2006, 2008, 2018, etc. Good to hear we have more than 10 years left in 2019.

#20 | Posted by nullifidian

Of all the things that you could make into your private crusade, it's bizarre that you've chosen anti environmentalism. It just shows how all you have to do is make gullible chumps hate liberals, then they'll attack anything liberals fight for, even if it's their own survival.

Tells you something about today's statesmen. They only say what they mean anonymously.

#13 | Posted by lee_the_agent

Tells you something about today's REPUBLICAN statesmen. Repub media has turned their base into such a mob of feverish hateful monsters, they have to hide their faces if they want to say something reasonable.

Agree, in that the Deep State is the problem.

#10 | Posted by MSgt

That's like saying cops are the reason there are so many reports of crimes. If cops would just stop picking up the phone, the catalogued crime rate would drop. Of course murders and stealing would go way up...

Not surprising. The do-nothing democrats have spent all their time investigating rather than legislating on the issues they campaigned on in 2018.

#3 | Posted by nullifidian

You mean patriots have spent their time trying to enforce the law and protect the nation from a russian asset installed to harm the entire country.

You morons investigated hillary for years over bengazi and emails. They're STILL investigating her and can't find anything. Trump has to stonewall law enforcement and install a puppet in the justice department to hide all his crimes. Hillary testified to congress under oath to congress for 11 hours. Trump couldnt do that for 11 seconds.

This is simply a slightly less condescending way to say "I can not refute what you say, so I will tell you it doesnt matter, you have no right to be concerned, and if you think it does, you do care, you are wrong".

#115 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour

Yup. When your party has become a pathetic cult of a con man, the only thing you can do is call the other side overly emotional.

I've gotten tired of hearing that allegation so I have begun to point out when someone else derails it -- including you. But you seem to be OK when you and your ilk does it but if you perceive I do it you just run in circles, scream and shout.

So spare us the faux outrage and double standards. Your "do as you say not as you do" shtick is beyond old, trite, and tiresome.

#111 | Posted by goatman

Do you think we're all supposed to accept that all the threads with you in them just HAPPENED to get completely derailed by pure coincidence? And that threads without you manage to stay on topic to a greater degree?

What's the common denominator here?

That he fights back in lieu of just taking lumps is why he pisses so many people off.

#90 | Posted by JeffJ

He doesn't "fight back". He derails thread after thread into debates about semantics and whining about people using unfair debate tactics that he himself uses. Take a look at what percentage of his comments on any thread are about the topic of the thread. It's in the single digits. People attack him because he makes this site more annoying for everyone. I get it though. When your party is indefensible and you like to argue, what else can you argue about other than petty minutiae?

Sticking up for him only makes you look worse.

That was the last election.

I wonder what dictator he'll pair up with for the next one. It seems like he might already be in Erdogan's pocket.

#14 | Posted by madbomber

"What 'Pierre Delecto' tells us about the current Republican Party"

"Think about this: The 2012 Republican presidential nominee -- and a sitting US senator! -- felt the need to defend his commitment to his party from behind the veneer of a fake person's account on Twitter.
While Pierre is right that Romney has been more willing than most Republican elected officials to publicly criticize Trump, it's also true that Romney hasn't a) been all that critical of Trump or b) done anything to put his discomfort with Trump into action.

Instead, he's used a fake Twitter person to defend himself and his image. Which works nicely as a metaphor for how elected Republican officials, more broadly, are dealing with Trump: light criticism (at most) in public and open anger, frustration and near-rebellion behind the scenes or covered by the anonymity of quotes without their names attached. "

Must be a slow headline day. No Trump news for a change?

#4 | Posted by goatman

Why can't you just discuss the topic of the thread FOR ONCE?

Just wanted to throw some trump chum in the water and see who attacks so you can derail the thread as fast a as possible?

"At least they dont team up with putin to win elections. That's more radical than anything the left does."

That was the last election.

I wonder what dictator he'll pair up with for the next one. It seems like he might already be in Erdogan's pocket.

#14 | Posted by madbomber

No that's this election too. The intelligence agencies have said putin is still trying to influence our elections and get into our election systems. You think he's doing that to make his puppet LOSE?

It's not your beliefs that make you a radical. It's the actions you take on behalf of those beliefs.

#3 | Posted by madbomber

So what does the radical left do that's so radical? Complain? Vote?

At least they dont team up with putin to win elections. That's more radical than anything the left does.