Saturday, April 27, 2024

Donald Trump had a Fantastic Day in the Supreme Court

Thursday's argument in Trump v. United States was a disaster for Special Counsel Jack Smith, and for anyone who believes that the president of the United States should be subject to prosecution if they commit a crime.

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My guess:

SCOTUS will rule that the president does not have absolute immunity, and will then refer the case back to the lower court for a discussion of where the immunity --- non-immunity line should reside.

That would effectively hand fmr Pres Trump a win because of the delay.


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-25 03:13 PM

Ahhh man!

#2 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-04-25 03:34 PM

"Justice Brett Kavanaugh, for example, argued that when a president exercises his official powers, he cannot be charged under any federal criminal statute at all, unless that statute contains explicit language saying that it applies to the president."

Qualified Immunity has come to the Oval Office.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-25 04:40 PM

It's always been there Snoofy, you guys didn't utter a word when Obama killed a US citizen without giving him due process. This case is about to head to the schittheap of bad Democrat ideas to "Get Trump."

#4 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-04-25 06:04 PM

"Obama killed a US citizen without giving him due process."

That's not what happened. Due Process did in fact take place, like this:

"We believe that the AUMF's authority to use lethal force abroad also may apply in appropriate circumstances to a United States citizen who is part of the forces of an enemy authorization within the scope of the force authorization," reads the Justice Department memorandum, written for attorney general Eric Holder on 16 July 2010 and ostensibly intended strictly for Awlaki's case. www.theguardian.com

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-25 06:13 PM

Did that come up in today's arguments in court? If not then it's not relevant to this discussion.

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-25 06:14 PM

It certainly did come up in today's arguments. Kavanaugh specifically asked about it. This is why JPW is so pissed, Jack Smith is SOL.

#7 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-04-25 06:18 PM

Did Kavanaugh say the AUMF means Trump can't be prosecuted? Or is that you?

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-25 06:21 PM

"Obama killed a US citizen without giving him due process."

Biden can do that to Trump?
Is that the argument?

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-25 06:23 PM

Pissed? No.

Disgusted? Yeah. It's ludicrous that scotus is even entertaining this nonsense.

#10 | Posted by jpw at 2024-04-25 09:24 PM

"Obama killed a US citizen without giving him due process."

Nah dude, when a citizen voluntarily agrees to take up arms against the US with a foreign adversary that ship sails.

#11 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-04-26 08:54 AM

Nah dude, when a citizen voluntarily agrees to take up arms against the US with a foreign adversary that ship sails.

It's funny how the right wants to jail/execute/send to Gitmo anyone they disagree with for "treason."

But a dude that committed actual treason? Nah! Obama deserves to go to jail for smoking that dude!

I can't believe that in my lifetime the GOP has become the most dangerous anti-American movement in my day to day life.

#12 | Posted by jpw at 2024-04-26 10:59 AM

We find that the former president gets a pass for shooting that person on Fifth Avenue ...
-SCOTUS righties

#13 | Posted by catdog at 2024-04-27 04:38 PM

Sharpen your pitch forks we got some justice for some sold out Justices!

#14 | Posted by danni at 2024-04-27 05:29 PM

Any chance they put Obama in the same prison with Trump?

I've heard some prisons won't allow co-conspirators to do time together.

#15 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-04-27 07:42 PM

John Adams, our first Vice-President and our second President, is quoted as having observed that, "Our Constitution was made for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

Seems a rather prescient comment by one of our Founding Fathers, now doesn't it...

OCU

#16 | Posted by OCUser at 2024-04-27 08:18 PM

You are supposed to try them in absentia before you execute them with a hellfire missile. A unilateral fed decision without a court is not due process.

#17 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-28 09:25 AM

That guy had it coming but the feds came up short on their due diligence. It wasn't a combat action, no battle, just a hellfire execution short on paperwork.

#18 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-28 09:26 AM

Aleksei Navalny is what happens when your president has absolute immunity.

#19 | Posted by ScottE at 2024-04-28 12:26 PM

Aleksei Navalny is what happens when your president has absolute immunity.

#19 | POSTED BY SCOTTE

Nice to fantasize about Trump dying in a self-inflicted air strike about October.

#20 | Posted by Zed at 2024-04-28 12:50 PM

It wasn't a combat action, no battle, just a hellfire execution short on paperwork.

#18 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

With authorization from Congress. Congress initially authorized war against Al Qaeda and the Taliban in its 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force, or AUMF, and the Obama administration continued to rely on that while also developing clear guidelines, oversight and accountability in the use of Drones and was later codified in Presidential Policy Guidance.

And I am sure you remember that this was new tech that was not fully developed or available before and as Obama himself said: "This new technology [drones] raises profound questions " about who is targeted, and why; about civilian casualties, and the risk of creating new enemies; about the legality of such strikes under U.S. and international law; about accountability and morality."

#21 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-28 12:53 PM

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