West Must Not Set 'red lines' in Helping Ukraine, France says

Monday, November 25, 2024

French Foreign Minister Jean-NoÃ«l Barrot's comments come as Berlin continues to reject the prospect of sending long-range missiles to Kyiv.

Posted by LampLighter at 06:33 PM | 12 COMMENTS | permalink

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... This comes after Russian President Vladimir Putin said his country launched a new medium-range hypersonic ballistic missile into eastern Ukraine on Thursday.

He said the move was in retaliation for attacks on Russia's territory that were carried out with longer-range missiles provided by the US and Britain.

France has supplied Ukraine with SCALP cruise missiles, which have a range of over 250 kilometers. ...

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-24 06:29 PM

... Ukraine's Security Service showed The Associated Press on Sunday wreckage of the new experimental ballistic missile, which struck a factory in the central Ukrainian city of Dnipro.

The fragments of the missile called Oreshnik -" Russian for hazel tree, and which the Pentagon said is based on Russia's RS-26 Rubezh intercontinental ballistic missile -" have not been analyzed yet, according to security officials on site in an undisclosed location in Ukraine. The AP and other media were able to see the fragments before they were taken by investigators. ...

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#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-24 06:32 PM

... Russian President Vladimir Putin said in a televised message Thursday that Moscow has the right to strike the military targets of countries who have supplied weapons to Ukraine to hit Russia.

Putin's statements came after Russia launched a new intermediate-range missile at the Ukrainian city of Dnipro in response to Kyiv's long-range missile attacks earlier this week. ...

#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-24 06:34 PM

This is a very dangerous game. The Ukrainian front no longer exists. The west is contemplating direct western involvement.

Who will radiate first London, Berlin, Paris, NYC DC or Moscow

#4 | Posted by fresno500 at 2024-11-25 09:34 PM

Trump will act first, by nuking NATO and handing the Ukraine to Putin.

#5 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-11-25 09:36 PM

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Western allies should not "not set and express red lines" in supporting Ukraine, France's foreign minister said, in comments that could be interpreted as aimed at Germany's continued refusal to provide Kyiv with long-range missiles.

Someone, alert Joe Biden, because that's what he was doing for almost 3 years... All these "red lines" and desperate pleas to "de-escalate" did was getting more people killed and any progress wasted. So, why were EU leaders too shy to express this sensible defensive action before?

It also immediately let Putin know that Biden was afraid, and that his "hybrid war" is working, so he could keep "escalating to de-escalate."

So empty threats to "nuke this/that capital/country" and "NATO/Biden starting WWIII" were flying fast and furious daily from the usual sources in Russian media (RT, Rossiya-1 etc.) and from the usual Russian trolls (including on this site) on social media.

Biden (and other NATO nations) spoon-fed Ukraine with military aid, often not what UA actually asked for and needed, and did nothing (but complain occasionally) when Trump issued a "House veto" on the bills that would appropriate military aid to Ukraine (and Israel) delaying it for about 6 months.

Delays went about as well as DOJ's and other legal cases against Trump.
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#6 | Posted by CutiePie at 2024-11-26 04:04 AM

I say give Ukraine their nukes back. We and Russia took them in an agreement that Russia and the US would defend them and we see how Russia has not held up their end of the deal.

#7 | Posted by Wildman62 at 2024-11-26 10:32 AM

No "red lines"?

Are "black lines" made by a magic sharpie still ok?

Because that's what Trumpy will use.

#8 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-11-26 12:16 PM

Give em back their nukes and double-tap Putin.

#9 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-11-26 10:32 PM

Trump will act first, by nuking NATO and handing the Ukraine to Putin.

#5 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-11-25 09:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Trump is promising to flood Ukraine with all of the gear that Biden would not send.

#10 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-11-27 09:05 AM

Sebastian Gorka, Trump's nominee for Director of National Security Policy, calls Putin a "murderous, former KGB colonel" and a "thug".

He then claims that Trump plans to end the Ukraine by threatening to flood Ukraine with more military "aid".

#11 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-11-27 09:09 AM

He then claims that Trump plans to end the Ukraine by threatening to flood Ukraine with more military "aid".

#11 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

What Trumpy has said is that if Moscow does not start peace talks, he will up the ante by supplying advanced arms to Kyiv.

But he also has said pooty pants gets to keep the land he has stolen.

So apparently all he has to do is "negotiate" now.

There will be so much winning! ( for fascist totalitarians)

#12 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-11-27 11:28 AM

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