Thursday, January 30, 2025

'No Survivors' Yet Found from Plane Crash

An American Airlines flight and a military helicopter collided Wednesday night near Reagan National Airport, crashing into the Potomac River. The American Airlines flight had 64 people on board and the helicopter had three. Dozens of bodies have been pulled from the river but, so far, no survivors have been found.

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LATEST: "We are switching from a rescue operation to a recovery operation. At this point I don't believe we are going to find any survivors," Fire EMS Chief Fire John Donnelly says.

At least 28 bodies have been recovered from last night's crash in the Potomac River, he confirms. nbcnews.to/3Cx4zOG[image or embed]

" NBC News (@nbcnews.com) January 30, 2025 at 7:58 AM

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The DC Fire and EMS Department confirmed in a post an aircraft went down in the Potomac River vicinity near Reagan National Airport, adding that fireboats were on the scene.

#1 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2025-01-29 09:48 PM

So ... the civil servants of the government doing what they signed up to do?

#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-29 09:48 PM

Sixty plus dead being reported.

#3 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2025-01-29 09:49 PM

Way to go, dotard. Stinky is back in DC and now planes are falling out of sky.

#4 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-01-29 09:50 PM

Flight originated from Withita.

#5 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2025-01-29 09:51 PM

Wichita

#6 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-29 09:53 PM

Sixty plus aboard per CNN, no mention of death toll on their network.

#7 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2025-01-29 09:53 PM

Military Blackhawk helicopter and jet crash in mid air.

#8 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2025-01-29 09:55 PM

Trump fires heads of TSA, Coast Guard and guts key aviation safety advisory committee

apnews.com

That figures.

#9 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-01-29 09:57 PM

This is bad.

Hard to believe it wasn't on purpose

#10 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-29 09:58 PM

@#10 ... Hard to believe it wasn't on purpose ...

Huh?

Care to explain?

thx.

#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-29 10:02 PM

A commercial aircraft and a military helicopter crash into each other?

Weather to blame? No?

I would think planes stay on the ground until they know more.

#12 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-29 10:04 PM

Military Blackhawk ----copter and jet crash in mid air.
#8 | POSTED BY GRACIEAMAZED

Thought it was DC Metro ----

#13 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-29 10:05 PM

Early report ...

Inbound plane from Wichita collides with Black Hawk helicopter near Washington, D.C. airport
www.kwch.com

... A plane inbound to Washington D.C.'s Reagan Airport from Wichita was involved in a reported collision with a Black Hawk helicopter. The Associated Press reports from law enforcement that an aircraft is down and takeoffs and landings are halted.

Multiple helicopters, including those from the U.S. Park Police and the D.C. Metropolitan Police Department and U.S. military, were flying over the scene of the incident in the Potomac River. D.C. Fire and EMS said on X that fireboats were on the scene.

Washington, D.C. police say a multi-agency search and rescue operation is underway in the Potomac River after the crash.

Video from an observation camera at the nearby Kennedy Center shows two sets of lights consistent with aircraft appearing to conjoin in a fireball.

The airport said emergency personnel were responding to "an aircraft incident on the airfield." ...


#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-29 10:06 PM

Weather to blame? No?

No there's video.
x.com

#15 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-29 10:06 PM

@#12 ... I would think planes stay on the ground until they know more ...

Yeah, I was hoping for more of an explanation of the "on purpose" comment in #10.

So, ya got nothing?

#16 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-29 10:09 PM

According to FlightAware, AA5342 stopped tracking on approach over the Potomac River. At the same location, the @DCPoliceDept's helicopter stopped tracking.

Praying for everyone involved'
x.com

#17 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-29 10:09 PM

#13 Originally it was thought to be that from videos and eyewitnesses. Friend who is there said his scanner chatter said the helicopter hit the jet in the rear. Not good.

#18 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2025-01-29 10:09 PM

I would think planes stay on the ground until they know more ...

Police copter in air checking Potomac. Issue is this location is on final approach.

#19 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-29 10:10 PM

Some drunk MAGAT ---- thought he could fly.

#20 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-01-29 10:10 PM

Yikes, sounds like it was military.

It appears the military helicopter was not broadcasting its GPS location at the time.
x.com

#21 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-29 10:13 PM

@#18 ... Not good. ...

Yeah, aircraft collisions are not good.

imo, we are still in the "early reporting" aspect of this disaster. Early reports tend to be wrong.


Stay tuned.

btw, thx to Gracie for starting this thread so we can se what is happening.

#22 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-29 10:14 PM

Following developments of what appears to be a collision between a CRJ arriving from Wichita and a military VIP transport helicopter just east of DCA.

#23 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-29 10:14 PM

Live updates: American Airlines plane crashes into Potomac River near Reagan National
www.nbcwashington.com

... small commercial airliner and a military helicopter collided and crashed into the Potomac River near Reagan National Airport Wednesday evening, D.C. Fire and EMS confirmed.

Video from the web camera network EarthCam shows the moment of the collision. It shows a big flash upon impact.

The airliner had about 60 people aboard. It's not known how many were aboard the helicopter.

An FAA statement says: "A PSA Airlines Bombardier CRJ700 regional jet collided in midair with a Sikorsky H-60 helicopter while on approach to Runway 33 at Reagan Washington National Airport around 9 p.m. local [Eastern] time. PSA was operating Flight 5342 as American Airlines. It departed from Wichita, Kansas."

There is a massive emergency response unfolding. Fireboats are in the water, and the Metropolitan Police Department also confirmed it is responding.

Fire departments from all around the region are staging at Gravelly Point north of Reagan National.

All takeoffs and landings have been stopped at Reagan National. ...


#24 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-29 10:16 PM

#24 Thanks. Got distracted and missed it was an Amercian Airlines jet.

#25 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2025-01-29 10:21 PM

@#25

Yeah. It is easy to get distracted when "early information" is involved.

More, and better, information seems to be emerging now.

#26 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-29 10:25 PM

They just showed the video of the crash. No way one did not see the other.

#27 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2025-01-29 10:26 PM

bsky.app

Damn.

#28 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-01-29 10:28 PM

Has Pete Buttigieg commented yet?

#29 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2025-01-29 10:33 PM

No way one did not see the other.

#27 | POSTED BY GRACIEAMAZED

When on final you're concentrating on the runway and the landing, you get a kind of tunnel vision.

The helo though pilot on left seat perhaps navigating the flyway on the Potomac under 200ft, not looking to the left..

I'll see if I can bring it up.

Last ADSB is report of the plane was at 375ft.

#30 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-29 10:35 PM

Crash video

youtube.com

#31 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-29 10:36 PM

Wouldn't be the first time a Blackhawk killed a bunch of innocent people for no good reason.

So, what very important person(s) was that helicopter carrying?

#32 | Posted by ExpectingReign at 2025-01-29 10:37 PM

@#29 ... Has Pete Buttigieg commented yet? ...

Why do you think he should comment?

He is no longer a part of the current administration. Did you miss that? aspect?

But to the gist of your question ...

Has the Trump administration commented yet?



#33 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-29 10:38 PM

Looking at foreflight the whole B airspace is shut down, only Helo's near crash site.

#34 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-29 10:40 PM

#33 Yes, the Trump admin did. Pete owns this disaster, unless all involved were new hires.

#35 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2025-01-29 10:40 PM

Yes, the Trump admin did. Pete owns this disaster, unless all involved were new hires.

#35 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2025-01-29 10:40 PM | Reply

You lie.

#36 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-29 10:42 PM

Yeah this appears to be the Blackhawk's fault based off video. Absolutely terrible.

#37 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2025-01-29 10:42 PM

#30 Someone posted a stock picture of the helicopter. Looks to have 'panoramic' windows. Not sure how they missed a jet?

#38 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2025-01-29 10:43 PM

Passenger jet collides with Army helicopter while landing at Reagan Washington National Airport
apnews.com

... A passenger jet collided Wednesday with an Army helicopter while landing at Ronald Reagan National Airport near Washington, prompting a large search-and-rescue operation in the nearby Potomac River.

There was no immediate word on casualties, but all takeoffs and landings from the airport near Washington were halted as helicopters from law enforcement agencies across the region flew over the scene in search of survivors. Inflatable rescue boats were launched into the Potomac River from a point near the airport along the George Washington Parkway, just north of the airport.

President Donald Trump was briefed, his press secretary said, and Vice President JD Vance encouraged followers on the social media platform X to "say a prayer for everyone involved."

The Federal Aviation Administration said the midair collision occurred around 9 p.m. EST when a regional jet that had departed from Wichita, Kansas, crashed into a military Blackhawk helicopter while on approach to an airport runway.

In audio from the air traffic control tower around the time of the crash, a controller is heard asking the helicopter, "PAT25 do you have the CRJ in sight," in reference to the passenger aircraft. ...


#39 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-29 10:44 PM

@#38 ... Not sure how they missed a jet? ...

My guess would be that the answer to that question will take time to ascertain.

My guess also is that some FAA investigators have been paged to wake up and now have a new assignment.


#40 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-29 10:47 PM

So far four survivors pulled from the water.

#41 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2025-01-29 10:48 PM

Did ------- shutter the FAA yet?

#42 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-01-29 10:49 PM

Why does a police agency need military grade weapon systems?

#43 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-01-29 10:51 PM

PAT - Priority Air Transport helicopter. Oh boy.

#44 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2025-01-29 10:52 PM

I wonder where they'll bury the survivors

#45 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-01-29 10:53 PM

PAT - Priority Air Transport helicopter. Oh boy.

Congressmen, SECDEF, and Generals.

Here is the helo route, its 200ft hard limit.

It is Helicopter Route 1 - The chopper drifted westward I think.
x.com

#46 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-29 10:54 PM

@#35 ... Pete owns this disaster, unless all involved were new hires. ...

Why do you assume that "all those involved" were hired recently?

Civil servants have served the Country, not the current administration.

If you really want to talk about the issues with the FAA flight controllers, maybe, you should look more at burnout and fatigue than politics.

Jus' sayin'.


FAA issues new rules to combat air traffic controller fatigue (April 2024)
thehill.com


#47 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-29 10:55 PM

The bloated rapist gutted aviation safety. The dotard's massive body count keeps growing.

#48 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-01-29 10:56 PM

@#38 ... Not sure how they missed a jet? ...

Helo pilot was focusing on route, and flying at what should have been less than 200ft.

Jet came at 90degrees from Helo path, quite possible the jet hidden was behind the A pillar. (ever have that happen at a crosswalk?)

What I can't figure out is why the ADSB was off. Listing to ATC there wasn't even a concern.

#49 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-29 10:56 PM

Did the helicopter pilot get hammered with drunken rapist Hegseth before plowing into an airliner?

#50 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-01-29 10:57 PM

Lewzer effed this up, but eggs are cheaper now.

#51 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-29 10:59 PM

@#49 ... What I can't figure out is why the ADSB was off. ...

Why should it have been on?

#52 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-29 11:00 PM


Lewzer effed this up, but eggs are cheaper now.
#51 | POSTED BY REDIAL

Leave it to a Canadian to make it political.

#53 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-29 11:00 PM

#49 We took a day staycation trip today. I-95 south and back north. FFS we were focused on the route, looking in a million directions for ----- drives, sleepy 18-wheeler drivers, blind spots and RCADE (jk) when we passed St Augustine. Maybe Helo pilots should train on I-95?

#54 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2025-01-29 11:02 PM

Why should it have been on?
#52 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

Well, the Military can turn it off with a switch. But GA, and commercial can't.

Within 30miles of a Bravo Airspace its has to be ON.
www.law.cornell.edu

There are work arounds, but you need to call ATC to inform.

DC is also under Special Flight Rules.

#55 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-29 11:04 PM

@#54 ... #49 We took a day staycation trip today. I-95 south and back north. FFS we were focused on the route, looking in a million directions for ----- drives, sleepy 18-wheeler drivers, blind spots and RCADE (jk) when we passed St Augustine. Maybe Helo pilots should train on I-95? ...

Huh?

#56 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-29 11:05 PM

Probably incompetent Asian pilots.

#57 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-29 11:05 PM

Maybe Helo pilots should train on I-95?

#54 | POSTED BY GRACIEAMAZED

LOL Well considering they were crossing an approach I would have figured heightened awareness.

But if you fly it enough perhaps some complacency has a way of creeping in.

#58 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-29 11:05 PM


Probably incompetent Asian pilots.
~ DialAgain

Well at least they are pilots, rather than Canadians.

#59 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-29 11:06 PM

Putin's butt ---- owns this.

deadliest air disaster on US soil since 9/11 two weeks after trump takes office, fires the head of the FAA, disbands a federal air safety commission and encourages federal employees to quit

#60 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-01-29 11:07 PM

#58 That's even worse IMHO. I am now hearing control tower communications and other pilots asking of the Helo pilot sees the jet. Weird.

#61 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2025-01-29 11:08 PM

@#55 ... Well, the Military can turn it off with a switch ...

So, your current alias admits it may have not it on, because it is optional.

... DC is also under Special Flight Rules. ...

And that affects this current situation, how?

Be specific.


thx.



#62 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-29 11:09 PM

Huh?
#56 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

You've never missed something behind your A pillar on your car?

Theres a tourist helicopter crash where the helicopter missed a helo taking off, clearly behind the pillar the whole time.

Its possible flying left seat (if video is oriented correctly) the pilot never saw the jet until it was too late.

Why didn't the MILITARY helo sense the ADSB of the Jet, OR the TCAS have gone off on the Jet (again if it happens alot they might have turned it off)

#63 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-29 11:09 PM

Lewzer should have banned air traffic but he's wasting time with DEI.

Sad.

#64 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-29 11:13 PM

So, your current alias admits it may have not it on, because it is optional.

No it wasn't on because it wasn't recorded. Its not optional but they might have turned it off because they were flying a VIP, but then would have required a conversation with ATC before flight.


... DC is also under Special Flight Rules. ...
And that affects this current situation, how?

Be specific.

I am sure you won't read it but here are the specifics.
www.faasafety.gov

Again Military might have different rules, but I don't see why they should, seems like a enemy could take advantage if there were.

#65 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-29 11:13 PM

Lewzer should fire everyone immediately.

#66 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-29 11:22 PM

Looks like the PAT Helo had a squawk code so it was using Mode-C transponder (also required in 30miles of B), that should have been collected and retransmitted to aircraft via TIS-B over 978MHz.

But TCAS might not be able to use this, since so low/and freq. The PAT's Transponder was reporting < 200ft.

If true the flight was likely low on approach.

#67 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-29 11:25 PM

@#65 ... No it wasn't on because it wasn't recorded. ...

Wait, what?

In #55 your current alias stated ... ... Well, the Military can turn it off with a switch. ...

And now it states that is was not on just because it was not recorded?

There seems to be a contradiction there.

#68 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-29 11:26 PM

Lewzer should fire everyone immediately.

Other than straight white men. They can stay.

#69 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-29 11:28 PM

Trump Guts Key Aviation Safety Committee

www.huffpost.com

Stinky's killing people left and right just like he did in his first rancid presidency.

#70 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-01-29 11:40 PM

So looking at the some of the ATC comms, a picture is forming....

There were two active runways 1 and 33, a little off of each other by about 40 degrees.

A plane was landing on 1.
ATC asked PAT25 if they had visual separation the AA flight landing (CRJ) on 33
Mistakenly PAT25 took ATC to mean the plane landing on 1 and confirmed separation.
x.com


There seems to be a contradiction there.
#68 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER A

Did you read the specifics? No, then you're the one confused.

#71 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-29 11:46 PM

And now it states that is was not on just because it was not recorded?

What is "it"?

They had a mode C transponder on. Which is part of the requirement in the link I gave you, there are regulations and they are very specific.

You asked for them, now you don't read them.

Its not surprising you didn't read them. I am happy you aren't a pilot!

#72 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-29 11:49 PM

Jimmy Carter took a lot of heat for crashing an army chopper in Iran. Cost him an election.

People will be livid that Lewzer crashed one in his own back yard in his first month.

#73 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-29 11:54 PM

@#71 ... Did you read the specifics? ...

I read, and quoted, your current alias' comment.

Don't blame me because I question the apparent misinformation your current alias presents.


#74 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-30 12:01 AM

"Jimmy Carter took a lot of heat for crashing an army chopper in Iran. Cost him an election."

My recollection is that people were pissed that it was such a half-assed measure. Crashes happen, especially during a wind storm in the desert.

#75 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-30 12:02 AM

@#73 ... Jimmy Carter took a lot of heat for crashing an army chopper in Iran. Cost him an election. ...

Operation Eagle Claw?

#76 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-30 12:04 AM

Operation Eagle Claw?

This one will be "Operation Biden's Fault".

#77 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-30 12:06 AM

@#75 ... people were pissed that it was such a half-assed measure. ...

Operation Eagle Claw
en.wikipedia.org

... Operation Eagle Claw (Persian: ) was a failed operation by the United States Armed Forces ordered by U.S. President Jimmy Carter to attempt the rescue of 53 embassy staff held captive at the Embassy of the United States, Tehran, on 24 April 1980.

The operation, one of Delta Force's first,[1] encountered many obstacles and failures and was subsequently aborted. Eight helicopters were sent to the first staging area called Desert One, but only five arrived in operational condition.[2]

One had encountered hydraulic problems, another was caught in a sand storm, and the third showed signs of a cracked rotor blade. During the operational planning, it was decided that the mission would be aborted if fewer than six helicopters remained operational upon arrival at the Desert One site, despite only four being absolutely necessary.[2]

In a move that is still discussed in military circles, the field commanders advised President Carter to a ...



#78 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-30 12:08 AM

But...

Let's get back to the thread topic ...

American Airlines jet and helicopter collide, crash into Washington's Potomac River
www.reuters.com

... An American Airlines regional passenger jet and a U.S. Army Black Hawk helicopter crashed into the Potomac River after a midair collision near Reagan Washington National Airport on Wednesday night, officials said.

The Washington Post, citing sources, said multiple bodies had been pulled from the water. No survivors had so far been found, the newspaper reported. Senator Ted Cruz of Texas said on social media that "we know there are fatalities," though he did not say how many.

American Airlines confirmed that 64 people were aboard the jet - including 60 passengers and four crew members. Three soldiers were aboard the helicopter, a U.S. official said.

Some friends, family and relatives of passengers gathered at Reagan Washington National seeking more information.
One woman told an airport official, "I don't know if she got on there or not," in apparent reference to a passenger on the crashed jet. She then collapsed in tears.

The U.S. Army said in a statement that it could "confirm that the aircraft involved in tonight's incident was an Army UH-60 helicopter out of Fort Belvoir, Virginia. We are working with local officials and will provide additional information once it becomes available." ...


#79 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-30 12:11 AM

I read, and quoted, your current alias' comment.

No you didn't, otherwise you would understand, unless you are confused.

#80 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-30 12:13 AM

Let's get back to the thread topic ...

Yes. Was the pilot a straight white male, or not?

#81 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-30 12:14 AM

Jimmy Carter took a lot of heat for crashing an army chopper in Iran. Cost him an election.

Jimmy Carter crashed a helicopter in Iran? Thought he was a sub guy.

#82 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-30 12:15 AM


Yes. Was the pilot a straight white male, or not?
#81 | POSTED BY REDIAL

No Asian

#83 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-30 12:15 AM

Mrs. Betty Bowers
@mrsbettybowers.bsky.social

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What are the chances that an Army run by this boozy bozo would crash a Blackhawk helicopter into a plane at a DC airport tonight? I mean, really.

bsky.app

#84 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-01-30 12:15 AM

Jimmy Carter crashed a helicopter in Iran? Thought he was a sub guy.

Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-30 12:15 AM | Reply

He was trying to rescue hostages out of Iran when he was president.

#85 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-30 12:16 AM

No Asian

So a terrorist attack. Bring on the tariffs!

#86 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-30 12:22 AM

@#80 ... No you didn't ...

As usual, your current alias provides no evidence.



#87 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-30 12:33 AM

@#85 ... He was trying to rescue hostages out of Iran when he was president. ...

If if were not so sad, the comments by some of the current aliases would almost be humorous in their deflection attempts.

But those anti-US comments seems to be what we have to endure on this most august site.

And, if I may say, kudos to RCade for allowing those comments.

#88 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-30 12:38 AM

"The airplane was on a perfect and routine line of approach to the airport. The helicopter was going straight at the airplane for an extended period of time. It is a CLEAR NIGHT, the lights on the plane were blazing, why didn't the helicopter go up or down, or turn. Why didn't the control tower tell the helicopter what to do instead of asking if they saw the plane. This is a bad situation that looks like it should have been prevented. NOT GOOD!!!" - Donald Trump

Hey Donald, you are the Commander in Chief. Why don't you tell us why this military helicopter under your command killed as many as 64 civilians. It looks bad and you should have prevented it. NOT GOOD!!!
Perhaps you should ask your Transportation Secretary who has no experience in transportation or even in management for that matter to explain to you what happened.

#89 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2025-01-30 01:14 AM

Buttigieg would have expertly handled this.

#90 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-30 01:16 AM

Some people are saying that the passenger manifest lists some people involved in the federal investigations of Trump and that the military helicopter was deliberately flown into the path of the plane at the order of the President.

#91 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2025-01-30 01:16 AM

Buttigieg would have expertly handled this.

#90 | Posted by BellRinger

It seems you are finally correct about something. I don't recall the military downing any US passenger jets under the Biden administration.

#92 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2025-01-30 01:18 AM

Some people are saying that Pete Hegseth got all liquored celebrating his confirmation and took the military helicopter out for a joy ride. I don't know if that is true but it is what people are saying.

#93 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2025-01-30 01:21 AM

I've heard it reported that Donald Trump was on the Blackhawk with former San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown and that Brown was telling him some very nasty things about Kamala Harris when they collided with the jet.

#94 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2025-01-30 01:26 AM

@#90 ... Buttigieg would have expertly handled this. ...

Apparently, he did.

I do not know of any such incidents under his watch.


So this seems to be on the Trump administration, no?

#95 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-30 03:57 AM

Jimmy Carter took a lot of heat for crashing an army chopper in Iran. Cost him an election.

#73 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-29 11:54 PM | Reply

I bet you would like that to be the sole reason people think Carter lost the election.

Anyways, go hire you another mini-dictator to roast your economy a little more.

#96 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-01-30 05:33 AM

Lamp providing cover for anti-American comments is rich. It's why the sane people who posted here ignored them. Anyways, Rein and Legally are always free to move abroad if they hate the country this much.

#97 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2025-01-30 07:25 AM

#97
Growing up clearly isn't an option for an "America, love it or leave it" kneekerk jackaroo such as yourself. More's the pity.

#98 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-01-30 07:27 AM

I mean Doc, I'll be straight up with you ... If I didn't like this place to the extent the two I mentioned do I'd move. The reason why? I'd like to be happy rather than have that type of outlook on life. However, it's rather apparent they are miserable unhappy people.

#99 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2025-01-30 07:33 AM

This was hashed this out with braying, chest thumping yahoos during the Vietnam War. And guess what? The yahoos are still braying and thumping their chests.

#100 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-01-30 07:40 AM

This will almost certainly be attributed to the games the new administration is playing with the federal workforce when it's all said and done.

#101 | Posted by qcp at 2025-01-30 08:03 AM

Sure am glad felon47 gutted the airline safety committee.

That'll work out good for everyone.

#102 | Posted by Nixon at 2025-01-30 08:09 AM

You own this, MAGATS. Get used to much more of the same.

#103 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-01-30 08:10 AM

There were figure skaters and coaches from team USA on board.

#104 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-30 08:14 AM

Not a good time to point fingers assigning blame.

#105 | Posted by danni at 2025-01-30 08:21 AM

So this seems to be on the Trump administration, no?

#95 | Posted by LampLighter at 2

Yes.

Donald is already creating conspiracy theories to explain it, a sure sign that he knows he has responsibility.

#106 | Posted by Zed at 2025-01-30 08:33 AM

Not a good time to point fingers assigning blame.

#105 | Posted by danni at 202

I disagree. It happened on Donald's watch.

Donald needs to be baled for everything he would have baled Biden or Obama for.

#107 | Posted by Zed at 2025-01-30 08:35 AM

I mean Doc, I'll be straight up with you ... If I didn't like this place to the extent the two I mentioned do I'd move. The reason why? I'd like to be happy rather than have that type of outlook on life. However, it's rather apparent they are miserable unhappy people.

#99 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2025-01-30 07:33 AM | Flag PPPPFFFTTTTT

OOooooooooooo I wanna be happy... maybe I'll climb on my private jet like Trumpanzee and all his "happy friends" do and go somewhere happier...

#108 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2025-01-30 08:40 AM

#105,

Don't give me that tired old line. Do the police wait for weeks or months to go find a killer after a murder? No they immediately start pointing fingers and assigning blame.

Call a spade a spade. This is on the new administration and the chaos they have purposely created.

#109 | Posted by qcp at 2025-01-30 08:41 AM

You guys are wild. Accidents happen. You sound like the crazy people Trump supporters say you are making this political. Y'all really need to focus your energies.

#110 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2025-01-30 08:50 AM

you are making this political.

#110 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine

Donald's made it political. I mean right now.

Let's wait for the next three major aviation accidents to assign responsibility.

This is Donald's job. Maybe it can coax him to start before noon.

#111 | Posted by Zed at 2025-01-30 08:56 AM

"Let's wait for the next three major aviation accidents to assign responsibility."

You're not sounding like a reasonable person. If you can show now how this happened due to politics I'm willing to listen. Did air traffic controllers somehow get regulated into disfunction in that moment or was the blackhawk directed into commercial airspace? Was the helicopter pilot a lone wolf terrorist or something? Nobody has even come close to offering any explanation of that nature. I get that there is only one lens through which we're allowed to understand a topic on this site but c'mon.

#112 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2025-01-30 09:08 AM

#112 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine a

I appreciate your sense of reasonableness. But it is more appropriate for times past.

The problem with Donald is that he is a lazy, feckless personality to begin with.

And this really is his job.

I see no objective reason to go him an inch; any benefit of the doubt.

Trusting the man on anything invites disaster.

#113 | Posted by Zed at 2025-01-30 09:29 AM

I think it's a waste of limited resources, given the challenges.

#114 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2025-01-30 09:35 AM

"I appreciate your sense of reasonableness. But"

That's an unfortunate epitaph.

#115 | Posted by sentinel at 2025-01-30 09:46 AM

"Rein and Legally are always free to move abroad if they hate the country this much."

That won't stop them from trolling, any more than anyone else on this site who feel like the behavior of "the other side" justifies their own buffoonery.

#116 | Posted by sentinel at 2025-01-30 09:51 AM

"You guys are wild. Accidents happen. You sound like the crazy people Trump supporters say you are making this political. Y'all really need to focus your energies."

I feel your frustration, but you're talking to people who still haven't figured out that using the same playbook from 2016 still isn't working. They don't appear to have the capacity to focus their energies, just react like Pavlov's dogs and drool when they hear a bell.

#117 | Posted by sentinel at 2025-01-30 09:57 AM

Trump takes credit for airlines' safety record

www.politico.com

The incompetent orange pedo owns this debacle.

#118 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-01-30 10:07 AM

Is Melanoma rocking her I Really Don't Care, Do U jacket this AM?

#119 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-01-30 10:15 AM

Trump takes credit for airlines' safety record

www.politico.com

The incompetent orange pedo owns this debacle.

#118 | Posted by reinheitsgebot

I was thinking about this and the irony.

Donald fires the head of the TSA, the head of the Coast Guard, and the aviation safety commission. Then this happens.

The optics are terrible but Democrats are too stupid to use it.

#120 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-01-30 10:44 AM

It didn't take long for Pickled Pete to put his stamp on military aviation.

#121 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-01-30 10:47 AM

Rep. Andy Ogles (R-Tenn.) suggested Thursday that a fatal crash could have been caused partly by DEI, or diversity, equity and inclusion in government hiring.

"I think you have to look at this with eyes wide open, see what happened," Ogles said on Fox Business. "Human error. Was it some sort of equipment failure? Did DEI play a role in this type of thing?"

Andy Ogles Asks If DEI Played A Role In Tragic DC Plane Crash

#122 | Posted by qcp at 2025-01-30 11:02 AM

No survivors. What a tragedy

#123 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-30 11:11 AM

What's the price of a one-way ticket to the Potomac? Is that going to be a regular stop?

#124 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-01-30 11:17 AM

From the information I've read about this crash, the results have not worked out swimmingly.

#125 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-01-30 11:19 AM

but you're talking to people who still haven't figured out that using the same playbook from 2016 still isn't working.

#117 | Posted by sentinel

Ready to hear your suggestions.

I suppose that part of the new playbook is that we can't point out when Donald screws something up?

Voters won't care?

Well, that depends on what he scraws up, doesn't it?

By the way, MAGA is already pinning this crash on Biden.

I have absolutetly no guilt pinning it n the SITTING president.

#126 | Posted by Zed at 2025-01-30 11:23 AM

The military industrial complex, at it again. What did George Washington say about overgrown military establishments being hostile to liberty?

Recent aberrant behavior of military pilots:
www.youtube.com

Old mid-air between a poorly-functioning F-4 and and an airliner:
en.wikipedia.org

Generally, it's a safe bet that the military pilots are less experienced than the civilian pilots that they kill. But, of course, military pilots are glorious heroes.

#127 | Posted by Hegel at 2025-01-30 11:29 AM

Let's ask those in charge:

Head of FFA: Oh wait, they forced him to resign
Head of TSA: Oh wait, they fired him
Head of Coast Guard: Oh wait, fired too
Aviation Security Commission: Oh...they fired them too

#128 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-01-30 11:34 AM

Holy shht.
Trump's press conference?
Trump is evil.
I am serious.
To his core.
A psychopath.
He is sick.

#129 | Posted by YAV at 2025-01-30 11:37 AM

Hahaha

A POTUS invoking the warm embrace of a loving god in the same presser that you use the word "bullish"" was not on my RepubliNazi Bingo card.

#130 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-01-30 11:44 AM

And the enthusiastic full throated Trump ass licking by Duffy, Hegseth, and Vance was the cherry.

#131 | Posted by YAV at 2025-01-30 11:47 AM

It's been four years; we know the left has short memories. What the president is doing is taking questions from the press right after a press conference.

#132 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2025-01-30 11:48 AM

You're an idiot, Gracie. And a compulsive liar.

#133 | Posted by YAV at 2025-01-30 11:49 AM

Holy shht.
Trump's press conference?
Trump is evil.
I am serious.
To his core.
A psychopath.
He is sick.

Posted by YAV at 2025-01-30 11:37 AM | Reply

He can't even fake caring.

#134 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-30 11:49 AM

Second question was from a Russian journalist? WTF?

#135 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-01-30 11:52 AM

It's been four years; we know the left has short memories. What the president is doing is taking questions from the press right after a press conference.

#132 | Posted by gracieamazed

When you take questions, you generally provide answers to those questions.

Not surprised you don't understand this basic concept.

#136 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-01-30 11:52 AM

From Oct 8 2024 - 'When asked about the backlog in a September committee hearing, FAA Administrator Mike Whitaker said FAA facilities have been "somewhat famously underfunded" over the years. The agency is facing a $5.2 billion shortfall to merely sustain some operations, according to the White House budget'

This is nothing that another round of tax cuts won't fix...

#137 | Posted by HeeHaw at 2025-01-30 11:53 AM

You could have gone up. You could have gone down. You could have gone straight up, straight down. You could have turned.

~ the orange plague ~

#138 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-01-30 11:54 AM

#132

Not one reporter has asked FDT if he thinks he's too old to do the job in this presser, so it's not a fair comparison.

#139 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-01-30 11:55 AM

Rep. Andy Ogles (R-Tenn.) suggested Thursday that a fatal crash could have been caused partly by DEI, or diversity, equity and inclusion in government hiring.

Well if HE can suggest that and Gracie can try to blame Biden I can (also without knowing the actual cause) can suggest that firing the head of every federal agency involved is "partly" responsible for causing this tragedy.

#140 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-30 11:59 AM

January 20: FAA director fired
January 21: Air Traffic Controller hiring frozen
January 22: Aviation Safety Advisory Committee disbanded
January 28: Buyout/retirement demand sent to existing employees
January 29: First American mid-air collision in 16 years

Making America Great Again!

~ T. Greg Doucette ~

#141 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-01-30 12:01 PM

"Obviously, it is not standard to have aircraft collide. I want to be clear on that."

Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy

MTV stooge Sean Duffy is off to an impressive start.

#142 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-01-30 12:10 PM

Sean Duffy - our new Captain Obvious.
God that was painful listening to him.
Followed by Hegseth, then Vance.

No value added, and their tongues were so far up Trump's -------- it wasn't trump tongue you saw when he spoke.

#143 | Posted by YAV at 2025-01-30 12:13 PM

Nobody asked about the cost of eggs as a follow up? I thought that was the most important issue right now ...

#144 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-01-30 12:18 PM

When I flew, if I wanted to fly across an airport, I flew across the center of the airport/runway - the least likely place to collide with another aircraft. Why is a helicopter flying low across the approach end of the runway at night?

#145 | Posted by HeeHaw at 2025-01-30 12:18 PM

"Obviously, it is not standard to have aircraft collide. I want to be clear on that."

We haven't had time to assess the "new standards". It's only been ten days but it sure ain't looking good so far. And if another crash like this one occurs on his watch we will definitely know how well the "new standards" are working.

#146 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-30 12:19 PM

fatal crash could have been caused partly by DEI

Is that code for the aviation industry employing someone that is not a straight, while male?

#147 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-30 12:25 PM

Is that code for the aviation industry employing someone that is not a straight, while male?

Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-30 12:25 PM | Reply

Yeppers

#148 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-30 12:32 PM

Putin's bitch came close to blaming the collision on the Central Park 5.

#149 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-01-30 12:35 PM

Not surprised you don't understand this basic concept.

#136 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

Thankfully I missed it. Did he recommend they use more bleach next time?

#150 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-30 12:36 PM

Buttigieg would have expertly handled this.

#90 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Didn't happen on his watch. It happened on Trumpy's watch. He bought the damn thing and now he owns it. His cabinet pick is fully responsible and now fully accountable.

The day you sign the papers you own it.

Republicans told you that our government does not work. Now they are going to prove it.

#151 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-30 12:43 PM

Watched Trump today doing a short press conference about the crash where he claimed that his administration is only hiring the most in; I just hope it isn't during a critical emergency.telligent and bwst qualified people to serve in his administration. He seems to be unaware that we see his Cabinet appointees on TV. be drunk They are far from the most intelligent and most qualified. Theie only qualification is loyalty to Donald Trump over loyalty to country. RFK Jr. was asked how his views on abortion changed so radically on abortion when Donald Trump offered to appoint him the HHS Secretary appointment. He mumbled ll be apparent when they start trying to manage huge departments with thousands of thsomething virtually incoherent. Question everyone is asking themselves is will the Sec. of Defense be drunk if we should be attacked? So many others whose only qualification is loyalty to Trump. Their shocking incompetence will be viewed by millions; I just hope not during a critical moment.

#152 | Posted by danni at 2025-01-30 12:54 PM

Democrats fkkked up.

They should have all immediately blamed Trump and the Trump administration.

Trumped turned wildfires into an attack on democrats.

Democrats either need to figure out how to play trumps game or sit out every major election until he dies.

#153 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-30 12:54 PM

Buttigieg would have expertly handled this.
#90 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Buttigieg would expertly handle you, with one hand tied behind his back.

#154 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-30 12:56 PM

fatal crash could have been caused partly by DEI

That explains all the mid-air collisions in Africa and Asia recently.

#155 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-01-30 01:15 PM

January 20: FAA director fired
January 21: Air Traffic Controller hiring frozen
January 22: Aviation Safety Advisory Committee disbanded
January 28: Buyout/retirement demand sent to existing employees
January 29: First American mid-air collision in 16 years

Making America Great Again!

~ T. Greg Doucette ~

MAGA morons, "It's Obama's fault!"

#156 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-30 01:19 PM

I think we are still in the early stages of the eff around and find out phase.

#157 | Posted by sentinel at 2025-01-30 01:24 PM

We are now in the find out phase of FAaFO.

The Airline CEO blames the Army.

Trumpy blames Biden.

Republicans blame DEI.

Cue the Benny Hill theme song "Yakety Sax".

#158 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-30 01:32 PM

Second question was from a Russian journalist? WTF?

#135 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-01-30 11:52 AM | Reply

There were four Russian figure skaters on board the aircraft is probably why.

#159 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-30 01:54 PM

"The day you sign the papers you own it."

Hmm, that sounds like the same argument Republicans used when they blamed Obama for Bush's economic fallout, or Biden for the mess Trump left behind. You can't have it both ways.

#160 | Posted by sentinel at 2025-01-30 02:14 PM

You can't have it both ways.

You must be new.

#161 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-30 02:20 PM

Hmm, that sounds like the same argument Republicans used when they blamed Obama for Bush's economic fallout, or Biden for the mess Trump left behind. You can't have it both ways.

Posted by sentinel at 2025-01-30 02:14 PM | Reply

You would have a point if this aircrash was a continuation of events starting during the previous administration. This however happened on Trump's watch so therefore it's his responsibility.

#162 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-30 02:23 PM

#160

Fuck off Nazi bitch

#163 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-01-30 02:25 PM

You can't have it both ways.

#160 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

New rulz.

If Trumpy can then I can.

#164 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-30 02:35 PM

"Despicable. As families grieve, Trump should be leading, not lying. We put safety first, drove down close calls, grew Air Traffic Control, and had zero commercial airline crash fatalities out of millions of flights on our watch. President Trump now oversees the military and the FAA. One of his first acts was to fire and suspend some of the key personnel who helped keep our skies safe. Time for the President to show actual leadership and explain what he will do to prevent this from happening again." - the formerly competent head of Transportation, in response to the incompetent moron in chief.

#165 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-01-30 02:50 PM

Hmm, that sounds like the same argument Republicans used when they blamed Obama for Bush's economic fallout, or Biden for the mess Trump left behind. You can't have it both ways.

Not the same argument, actually. We all know that it is year 2 of any new presidency that counts, wrt economics - the budget from the previous Administration extends through year 1 of the next POTUS. What this is MORE like is Repubicans blaming 9/11 on Bill Clinton, which was also ludicrous.

Funny how that always seems to work in Repubicans' favor, whenever it's something bad that happens on their watch.

Another example might be how FDT released 5,000 Taliban prisoners, then negotiated a withdrawal from Afghanistan without the existing Afghanistan government's involvement...set everything in motion, and then sicced the entire media and Repubican outrage machine on Biden for successfully overseeing the withdrawal despite FDT's mendacious sabotage.

#166 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-01-30 02:59 PM

So Trumnp's immediate reaction was to politicize it void of any actual facts blaming it on "Biden and DEI". Seriously.

#167 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2025-01-30 03:31 PM

If Trump can turn wildfires into an attack on Democrats, he can definitely blame the incompetence of his administration on democrats.

As for democrats. They're just gonna keep eating Trump's shht and then complaining about losing to him.

#168 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-30 03:39 PM

imbecile guts air safety, then demands to know why a plane crashed
management-by-vendetta sure is working out swimmingly
Jeff Tiedrich
Jan 30, 2025

www.jefftiedrich.com

#169 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-30 03:44 PM

This never would've happened with a Whitehawk helicopter

#170 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-01-30 03:58 PM

Trump's presser this morning more than amply demonstrated just how unfit he is to hold that office. Prove me wrong. Frame his response as actual, ethical leadership. That, and his make-up made him look like a orange panda in a blue suit.

#171 | Posted by dutch46 at 2025-01-30 04:03 PM

#170

You are a BAD man, Mr. Agent!

#171

The Extreme Pettiness of Donald J. Trump

If one trait of Trump's stands out above all the others, it might be his extreme pettiness. How he is just SO consumed with trivial matters, that even the slightest insult brings out his spiteful nature. Here is the latest example, and believe it or not, it has to do with the Philadelphia Eagles and the Super Bowl.

www.youtube.com

#172 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-30 04:11 PM

Harry Truman: the buck stops here.
Donald Trump: Why are you looking at me? I didn't do anything! It's so unfair the way I'm treated. It's somebody else's fault! Maybe they should've raked the sky. Isn't there a safety spigot? Has anybody tried putting bleach in helicopters? Would a tax cut for the wealthy help?

#173 | Posted by cbob at 2025-01-30 04:26 PM

Trump, ever the uniter, wasted no time somehow blaming BIDEN for the crash.

remind me: who is in charge of the Pentagon now?
And...Wasn't it Musk who just forced the head of the FAA to resign?

#174 | Posted by e1g1 at 2025-01-30 04:26 PM

Trump is a non-leader in a leadership position. A rapist and a felon and a racist and a narcissist

#175 | Posted by hamburglar at 2025-01-30 04:34 PM

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