#127 | Posted by Corky

They are actually building one in West Branch Michigan. It's in BF_ Trumplandia about 2 hours North of Detroit Metro. Why?

#3 | Posted by reinheitsgebot

My buddy hit me with "they're paid protestors" after Good's execution. "She's from Colorado." I hit back with - Noooo, she used to live in Colorado. She lived in Minneapolis. She was Murdered in front of her wife by their house. "oh."

#2 | Posted by donnerboy

This is the key. The President and GOP have shown they are willing to do away with the convictions of those on "their side" whether they are violent criminals or corrupt business people bilking investors or the government for that matter. They just turn the other way. That emboldens the people under them because they think they have the same Teflon armor the President does. They aren't Teflon Dementia Donnie though and I don't think the next GOP president (when there is inevitably one) will be the same cult of personality and therefore not so eager to release the cult.

I have empathy for those not graced with a 3 digit IQ but you don't vote for a moral less side show bob of a crook. Not being intelligent and being stupid are separate things though.

"Stupidity is a more dangerous enemy of the good than malice. One may protest against evil; it can be exposed and, if need be, prevented by use of force. Evil always carries within itself the germ of its own subversion in that it leaves behind in human beings at least a sense of unease. Against stupidity we are defenseless. Neither protests nor the use of force accomplish anything here; reasons fall on deaf ears; facts that contradict one's prejudgment simply need not be believed " in such moments the stupid person even becomes critical " and when facts are irrefutable they are just pushed aside as inconsequential, as incidental. In all this the stupid person, in contrast to the malicious one, is utterly self satisfied and, being easily irritated, becomes dangerous by going on the attack. For that reason, greater caution is called for when dealing with a stupid person than with a malicious one. Never again will we try to persuade the stupid person with reasons, for it is senseless and dangerous."
Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Letters and Papers from Prison

Yes, I agree with that. They are moving so fast I smell rotten fish.

#1 Very well said.

She great actress and from what I understand a better person. Rest in Peace.

#32 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Went right over your head I know.

#2 | Posted by reinheitsgebot

Well, Trump loves the uneducated.

"NATO Secretary-General Mark Rutte insisted Monday that Europe is incapable of defending itself without U.S. military support and would have to more than double current military spending targets to be able to do so"

Something of a contradiction there.

#1 | Posted by Zed

I am going to cautiously say he is right with a major "but" - not totally incapable. Europe is waking up. They are expanding military production capabilities. They do have many weapons superior to the US already and they are quickly developing new ones. They are building manufacturing capabilities. They are working with Ukraine like the US but maybe even more so. It will take time but I believe the EU WILL become an equal. They WILL proliferate nuclear war heads throughout the region. They will build their own ICBMs and the like and everything will be new and the latest tech. Not 1960s and 1970s tech. Where Europe lags and likely will remain lagging is power projection capabilities.

The true defining difference that will remain IMHO is that the US is a militarized society.

#8 | Posted by humtake

That whole thing was twaddle.

"If there were no illegals, ICE wouldn't be in MN."

How on earth do you define "illegals"? I am sure there are undocumented and violators of their Visas but they don't seem to be going after them. Enough to require thousands of agents sweeping neighborhoods? No. Enough to be willfully violating people's Constitutionally protected freedoms day in and day out? Absolutely not.

I mean we have them breaking in doors on American citizens and dragging them into the street from his nap in his underwear. No legals or illegals living at his home. Only his family of Americans.

We have ICE detaining the documented who are in the middle of having their cases adjudicated - meaning they are here legally and have papers to prove it. Sending them to what are in truth concentration camps as bad or worse than our prisons.

There is a right way to things what is happening in MN and elsewhere is not being done in the right way. Either you are a normal human being or you are a terrorist in what is going on. ICE, DHS and BP are acting as Terrorists.

Look, when in the aftermath of 9/11 our then current border and immigration agency was dismantled and transformed into DHS and ICE came about I said this isn't going to go well. Same for the Patriot Act. Guess what? That thought aged well. The Patriot Act in all its forms has been used and abused. DHS for years have been a failed agency. ICE has now been militarized and is using terrorist tactics and violating constitutional protections. Yes, terrorist. The brain washing runs deep in this organization. I don't know how bad Border Patrol is but likely about the same state.

The whole agency needs to be dismantled and built from the ground up.
- It needs to protect our borders yes, but in a humane way.
- It needs to process immigration and visa, in a timely and humane way.
- Immigration violations and deportations are going to result in enforcement, again they need to be dealt with in a fair and humane way.

Sure there are "bad guys" crossing the border. Even Israel prior to the war couldn't stop that in Gaza which is tiny and totally militarized. And sure they need to be dealt with.

What we have going on is not dealing with "bad guys" but rather somewhat random sweeps of where ever documented individuals and even Americans are residing. We know they are residing there how? Oh, ya - they are documented. You have people who are here legally and documented according to our laws being treated like they are terrorist and criminals. Young Children are being separated from parents and sent to what are effectively concentration camps themselves. Prisoners in these camps are being effectively tortured and indeed even murdered. Virtually none of these people are criminals. They are being denied due process and treated like hardened criminals. The thugs in fatigues are detaining Americans as well. They are even sending them out of the country. Really, who are the bad guys here? Who are the terrorists? Bovino has been the thug in charge of these operations in Minnesota. Two murders of citizens on his watch. HE deserves prison.

ABOLISH DHS. ABOLISH ICE. They are failed organizations that do not measure up to America's beliefs and standards.

Hawaii's position is supported by the MAGA created new (ridiculous) requirements under Bruen.
Under Bruen, for a gun law to be legal, it must align with our "historical tradition of firearm regulation."
And there is ample historical precedent of guns being banned from establishments.
There's a write-up about it in Reason or some other left-center source.

#15 | Posted by snoofy

You mean come unarmed or check your guns with the sheriff when you enter town? You know in towns like Tombstone, Dodge City, Abilene, and Deadwood? Guns were banned in town period. That IS our historic tradition of firearm regulation.

I am so tired of this idiocracy and the mental illness being inflicted on "conservatives". Easily discredited doesn't mean anything when the followers have already drank the Kool-aid. They just keep saying "Give me some more!"

A couple of my truly good life long friends use right wing media and they have a lot of right wing friends and are in the social media echo chamber. They spout lies and they don't want to listen until you hit them with a hard fact and that only temporarily puts them off keel. It's brainwashing.

Prime example and frustrating conversation from prior to Pretti's execution: I was talking about Minnesota with one of them. And he was spouting all the right wing nonsense about Good. "She was a paid protestor from Colorado, what was she doing there? How can she afford to be there is she isn't being paid?" I then just went and got into that with him. I hit him with his information was all lies. First She was originally from Colorado but lived in that neighborhood. I then said she just dropped her kids off at school, it was basically outside her house and so on. "I didn't know all that." Well no ---- you didn't because you are in the information cesspool. Then as soon as he digests that "She still drove at him. I know what it's like to have to make split second decisions." And I said a "normal person" in a volatile situation and not a mouth breathing cromagnon would have got out of the way. He could see her moving, he could see her turning the wheel and he could see her shifting while looking at the moron she was talking to. And to top it all of a Trained Law Enforcement Officer wouldn't have been there in the first place - not even a well trained one, just a trained one. He didn't like that for some reason.

Then yesterday I am talking on the phone with someone else I knew was brainwashed but I hear his radio in the background talking about how 80% of Somalis are autistic. I mean where do they get this stuff? Why would anyone even listen to such obvious BS?

#11 | Posted by catdog

Sadly I am waiting for that day. I mean busting down the doors of CITIZENS and hauling them out in basically their underwear and crocs into the Minnesota snow and winter? (-2 windchill). Someone will unload on them sooner or later and it will be a sad day.

Well at least they didn't literally put a gun to his head and execute him as drove by like they did to Renee Good. (Yes, the murder shot on Renee Good was fired into the left Temple from the side at close range when she was not a threat at all.)

Would these "administrative" warrants hold up before the supreme court? Even THIS SCOTUS? I don't think even THIS SCOTUS would be willing to go that far.

I mean their memo says one thing but their training even talks about what could be 4th Amendment violations and the need for Judicial Warrants.

Don't forget that both Hitler and Trump are/were on stimulants when they led their country's

#22 | Posted by LauraMohr

I think Dementia Donnie is on more than stimulants...

Trumpf: "What's in it for me, good looking?"

#20 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS

She might be a little old for him now... Just sayin'

#21 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS

Analyzing the before and after ALL of it is meant to feed their mouth breather base. Made her look emotionally distraught, Darkened her complexion, all of it.

So they followed officer's directions trying to get home and ended up getting attacked by ICE.

#3 | Posted by qcp

America could learn a lot from the SOUTH Koreans.

Fixed that for you. Trump seems to have learned a lot from little rocket boy.

#1 | Posted by Corky

It is starting to feel like Iran for sure.

#2 | Posted by Corky

Actions of the Gestapo. Shocked they let them go honestly.

I think it is absolutely bananas that people are protesting the US government enforcing US government policy. If you think the policy is bad, you work to change it. You don't just pretend it doesn't exist.

#6 | Posted by madbomber

You hit the nail on the head. It is this a segment of the government's "Policy" and not following LAW. Not to mention the Constitution. Since when doesn't actual LAW matter? Obviously these are not all "illegals" they are deporting Americans (yes it has happened multiple times).

ICE is being more than doubled in size and using very loose recruitment to bring in 1/6er types. ICE's use has been expanded far beyond the actual law for what ICE can do into cruel and unusual punishment, excessive force, etc.

If it looks like the gestapo (military fatigues, ARs, etc), talks like the gestapo (One of Ours, All of Yours) and acts like the gestapo (warrantlessly breaking down doors, concentration camps, murdering people, disappearing people, deporting American citizens, no due process, cruel punishments, etc) - IT IS THE GESTAPO. The intent is to create fear of an untouchable "Police" force. You don't get anymore dictator 101 than this. Multiple videos of these thugs threatening people after Good's murder asking if they haven't learned the consequences yet.

I mean get your head out of your ***.

#3 | Posted by Zed

Trump and Noem CLEARLY demonstrated this in the murder of Good.