A new Trump-backed proposal to end the war in Ukraine would grant Russia expanded control over eastern territories in exchange for U.S. security guarantees for Ukraine and Europe.
A graphic reminder: Trump ended US support for Ukraine. It is now borne by the Europeans.
-- Scott Horton (@robertscotthorton.bsky.social) Nov 19, 2025 at 1:59 PM
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@#4
This song just popped up on a playlist here as I read your comment ...
Riders on the Storm
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... "Riders on the Storm" is a song by American rock band the Doors, released in June 1971 by Elektra Records as the second single from the band's sixth studio album, L.A. Woman. It is known for being the last song that Jim Morrison recorded prior to his sudden death in Paris on July 3, 1971. ...
The lyrics were written and brought to rehearsal by Morrison, of which a portion of it refers to hitchhiking killer Billy "Cockeyed" Cook, who was the subject of the 1953 film, The Hitch-Hiker.[9] Manzarek noted that some lines express Morrison's love to his companion Pamela Courson.[15] ...
Heidegger's influenceSpeaking with Krieger and Manzarek, the German philosopher Thomas Collmer argued that the line "Into this world we're thrown" recalls philosopher Martin Heidegger's concept of "thrownness" -- human existence as a basic state. ...
Witkoff's back-channel push on Ukraine alarms allies
www.politico.com
... American allies and Ukrainian officials were scrambling on Wednesday to understand the terms of a Trump administration peace proposal for Ukraine, with many worrying it meant the U.S. could cave to Russian demands in a rush to end the fighting.
As European and U.S. officials alike sought clarity, they said many aspects of the plan remained in flux, including the role of NATO and any Ukrainian territorial concessions to Russia. ...
Zelenskiy vows not to betray Ukraine after US presents plan demanding concessions
www.reuters.com
... President Volodymyr Zelenskiy appealed to Ukrainians for unity on Friday and vowed he would never betray Ukraine, in a solemn address to the nation after the United States presented Kyiv with a peace plan that endorses key Russian demands.
Speaking in the street outside his office, a location he uses only rarely for major addresses, Zelenskiy said Ukraine was trying to preserve its freedom while retaining the support of its most important ally.
"Now is one of the most difficult moments of our history. Now, the pressure on Ukraine is one of the heaviest. Now, Ukraine can face a very difficult choice " either losing dignity or risk losing a major partner," he said.
"I will fight 24/7 to ensure that at least two points in the plan are not overlooked -- the dignity and freedom of Ukrainians," Zelenskiy said.
Washington has presented Kyiv with a 28-point plan, which calls for Ukraine to cede territory, accept limits to its military and renounce ambitions to join NATO.
Two sources familiar with the matter told Reuters that Washington has given Ukraine a week to accept the framework.
The United States had threatened to cut off intelligence sharing and weapons supplies for Ukraine if it does not accept the deal, the sources said, speaking on condition of anonymity to disclose the contents of private meetings. The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment....
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#20 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-21 12:23 PM
That looks like the "peace" plan was written by Pres Putin, and echoed by Pres Trump.
It looks more like a surrender plan to me.
It goes further than that.
The "28 points" are meant to convey that the "plan" is very detailed - but actually very short on very important details re "security guarantees" and other legalese as to who, how and when..., while very specific on one-sided benefits for Russia - the hallmark of Russia's and Trump's business agreements that end up in courts.
Most, like "1. Ukraine sovereignty will be confirmed" and "2. A comprehensive non-aggression agreement will be concluded between Russia, Ukraine and Europe. All ambiguities of the last 30 years will be considered settled" and "3. It is expected that Russia will not invade neighboring countries and NATO will not expand further" are solidly one-sided but otherwise meaningless, as there were no "ambiguities" since 1994 Budapest treaty, when it was more than "expected" that Russia wouldn't invade Ukraine and Ukraine had very specific "reliable security guarantees" (point 5).
10. The U.S. guarantee:
-- The U.S. will receive compensation for the guarantee;
-- If Ukraine invades Russia, it will lose the guarantee;
-- If Ukraine launches a missile at Moscow or St. Petersburg ... the security guarantee will be deemed invalid.
The important outlines in parts of the plan that are clearly seen but have been missed by most prove that the "Trump plan" has been originated by Putin, given to Kyril Dmitriev to translate for Trump's "real estate 'Kissinger'" Witkoff to pass to Trump, to simultaneously claim credit and whitewash Putin's fingerprints.
13. Russia will be reintegrated into the global economy:
-- The lifting of sanctions will be discussed and agreed upon in stages and on a case-by-case basis.
-- The United States will enter into a long-term economic cooperation agreement for mutual development in the areas of energy, natural resources, infrastructure, artificial intelligence, data centers, rare earth metal extraction projects in the Arctic, and other mutually beneficial corporate opportunities.
-- Russia will be invited to rejoin the G8.
14. The remainder of the frozen Russian funds will be invested in a separate US-Russian investment vehicle that will implement joint projects in specific areas. This fund will be aimed at strengthening relations and increasing common interests to create a strong incentive not to return to conflict.
IOW, long-term goals of Putin - full rehab for him and Russia. The world according to Trump's demented fantasy (fostered and fomented by Putin) : "US + Russia vs China, China, China."
Sounds just like Ribbentrop-Molotov pact in 1939, only now the rest of the world is invited to put stamp of approval on this... and we know how that one developed.
www.hungarianconservative.com - 'Strategically, China does not want Russia to fall' " An Interview with George Yeo - 10-31-2025
|------- 'China does not want Russia to fall. If Russia were defeated, then China would face full pressure' -------|
Trump in 2016-2020: "Not Russia, Russia, Russia! China, China, China!" ... "I am not a puppet. You are a puppet!"
Any doubt re Trump being Putin's stooge, whatever s**tshow re Putin (and any other "America First" plays) he puts on ? **
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From Active Measures archive of Trump-Russia/Putin connection :
saltypolitics.substack.com - Chapter 9 - Active Measures: The Kremlin, its Cutout Wikileaks and Trump
saltypolitics.substack.com - Chapter 10 - Active Measures: The Kremlin's Bears Strike DNC, DCCC
saltypolitics.substack.com - Chapter 11 - Active Measures: Cambridge Analytica, Facebook and the Kremlin
saltypolitics.substack.com - Chapter 12 - Active Measures: The Kremlin Probes America's Election Systems
saltypolitics.substack.com - Chapter 13 - Active Measures: Russia's Trump Tower Election Dangle
saltypolitics.substack.com - Chapter 14 - Active Measures: Paul Manafort: The Kremlin's Man Inside Trump's 2016 Campaign
saltypolitics.substack.com - Chapter 15 - Active Measures: How a Trump Adviser and a Mysterious Russian Operative Triggered an FBI Probe During The 2016 Election
saltypolitics.substack.com - Chapter 16 - How Crossfire Hurricane Became a Political Litmus Test
saltypolitics.substack.com - Chapter 17 - Trump's Mayflower Address
See chapters 1-8 of Active Measures at drudge.com
A couple of books on the subject for the curious :
covertactionmagazine.com - Active Measures - The Secret History of Disinformation and Political Warfare by Thomas Rid (2010) [PDF, 514 pgs]
politics-prose.com - Lucky Loser: How Donald Trump Squandered His Father's Fortune and Created the Illusion of Success - by Russ Buettner, Susanne Craig - Sept. 2025
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