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Tuesday, April 08, 2025

Taxes and tariff discussion all the rage right now. I had thought that inheritances were passed on without any tax, if the estate is below a certain amount. Turns out that if a person leaves you an IRA or an annuity, taxes are taken out prior to you getting it. The governments are going to get their cut on the gains that have accrued during the person's life.

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That's because a traditional (not Roth) IRA and certain annuities are funded with pre-tax money.

Anyone's 401k is the same thing.

#1 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-04-08 01:11 PM | Reply

More Tuesday mayhem:

The stock market gains seen earlier in the morning have all been wiped out.

#2 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2025-04-08 01:32 PM | Reply

legalunitedstates.com

In most articles I have read they don't tell you that retirement funds are going to be taxed before you get the money.
Now, I need to figure out the best way to leave our money to our child. Half of our current money sits in 401K's, and IRAs. No annuities, they just make money for the salesperson, IMO.

#3 | Posted by mattm at 2025-04-08 01:56 PM | Reply

LYD is right. AI plagiarism confirms it:

When inheriting a 401(k), the rules depend on your relationship to the deceased and whether you are a spouse or a non-spouse beneficiary. Spouses have options like rolling the funds into their own IRA, while non-spouse beneficiaries typically must withdraw the funds within 10 years or transfer them to an inherited IRA.

Most of my money is at Fidelity, here's what they say:
www.fidelity.com

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-08 02:06 PM | Reply

For the kids, my parents did a Revocable Trust. Not sure what that gets them. Might just streamline Probate for all I know. But that alone would be worth it, the State doesn't act quickly on behalf of dead people.

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-08 02:09 PM | Reply

"Turns out that if a person leaves you an IRA or an annuity, taxes are taken out prior to you getting it."

That depends on what you do and how & when you do it.

Inherited Traditional IRAs are taxable income to the recipients...but can be taken out over a 10-year period. The trick is to take out the MINIMUM for the first nine years, and have the distributions occur on December 15th every year. If everything goes right, you should see roughly double what you inherited.

Usually inheritors will get the proportional part of every investment. If there are 4 equal heirs, each gets 25% of everything. But if the IRAs are cashed BEFORE being split, all taxes are due NOW.

Even a Roth IRA, which doesn't have RMDs, has RMDs if it's inherited...and on the same 10yr timeline.

Because I inherited back in 2002, I get to stretch mine out to my lifetime. I've already pulled out about $11,000 from the $9,000 I inherited, and the current balance is around $8000...though it's taken a...ahem...hit in the last few weeks!

#6 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-04-08 02:28 PM | Reply

"my parents did a Revocable Trust. Not sure what that gets them."

Fees. Lots of fees.

The Trusts I see are a better deal for the administrators, than the holders.

#7 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-04-08 02:29 PM | Reply

"The trick is to take out the MINIMUM for the first nine years, and have the distributions occur on December 15th every year. If everything goes right, you should see roughly double what you inheritef."

Oh I see, beause it's mostly still in the market for ten years.
Makes sense.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-08 02:44 PM | Reply

Many years ago, when the IRA amount was $3000 per year, I divided that by 12, and set up automatic investments for $250 the first of every month.

In doing my studying for my fledgling tax business, I discovered that is called dollar-cost averaging, and it leads you to buy more shares when the price is lower, and fewer shares when the price is high. As long as the investment ends up, you've usually done better than if you're trying to time the markets.

Armed with this new knowledge, I went to my dad, and asked him (very hautily), why HE didn't dollar cost average!!!

"Oh, I do son...every January 1st".

It took a while, but when the light bulb finally went on, I realized he was waaaaay ahead of the rest of us. He figured out he'd only have to come up with the maximum ONE TIME, max out in January, then go back to saving $250 a month, so he'd be able to max out NEXT January. Meanwhile, the February investment had lost any gains from January, and the gains on those gains into perpetuity. March, I'd missed two more months. April, three MORE months, etc.

Then I asked myself: What is this, writ large? So I tracked twins: He maxes out on January 1st; she maxes out on the last day, April 15th of the following year. He starts at 20; she starts at either 21 or 22, depending on when the birthdays fall. But both make exactly the same money, and both put away exactly the same amount, according to the tax return.

Who has more money when they hit 70? Well, he does, of course. But HOW MUCH more?

Six figures.

#9 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-04-08 03:38 PM | Reply

Unfortunately I can't sink $8K into my Roth on Jan 1 since I owe it to Uncle Sam, but yeah...

I've heard that if you try to dollar cost across the year vs buy at all once, it's about a 60/40 split on which yields more. But I have not seen any actual back tests or anything.

This year would be a bad year to go all in on Jan 1. Unless you also sold everything on Jan 20, that is l.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-08 04:11 PM | Reply

For the kids, my parents did a Revocable Trust. Not sure what that gets them. Might just streamline Probate for all I know. But that alone would be worth it, the State doesn't act quickly on behalf of dead people.

#5 | Posted by snoofy

I can't speak to the tax ramifications, but having the trust "Revocable" means you won't be locked into the trust when a will is probated.

#11 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2025-04-08 04:16 PM | Reply

Thanks Danforth. I had you in mind when I wrote the post.
I have been dollar cost averaging since 1988 when I purchased my first mutual fund. For the next 30 years an addition was made every month.
That is one + about a 401K's. You are saving (and buying) every month.

#12 | Posted by mattm at 2025-04-08 04:22 PM | Reply

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