Would should be could.

I'm specifically referring to criminal prosecution and how free speech works in conjunction to that.

#72 | POSTED BY EBERLY

You will need to be more specific than that.

You can be criminally prosecuted for violating the 1st Amendment.

Speech that is considered obscene, fraudulent, or violates intellectual property law may also be subject to criminal prosecution.

I would think saying things that are not true and especially if it harms others would also be considered fraud.

Or maybe it wasn't really the law but rather the unwillingness of the govt to pursue such folks.

POSTED BY EBERLY

Or maybe the cases were settled out of court or just never made it to the Supreme Court.

1st amendment cases have gone both ways. Depending on how conservative the court was at the time.

This whole ivermectin -------- is just a subset of all kinds of misinformation on the internet all day every day which is probably why those who are guilty of doing this have gone without any criminal prosecution.

#63 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Yes. It wasn't just ivermectin though was it?

It was a concerted effort to undermine public health officials.

It was more like there WAS a fire (a global pandemic) and maga blow hards were yelling "everything was fine!" Nothing to see here!

It's only 15 cases soon to be zero! The vaccines and masks don't work so don't bother with them. Take this horse paste I invested in!

All while 3,000 Americans were dying every day in that "fire" and hospitals and morgues were being overwhelmed.

my free speech protection includes protection even when I'm misleading people.

#59 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Actually no it doesn't. Of course it depends on the situation.

Thats why you can't yell "fire!" in a theater if there is no fire.

Sometimes you could yell 'fire' in a crowded theater without facing punishment if the theater was actually on fire. Or the theater was empty. Or you may "reasonably" believe that the theater is on fire.

But if you were doing it maliciously or even as a blow hard know nothing you are not protected.

And especially if someone got hurt following your advice you may be legally liable and the 1st amendment will not protect you.

Trump said. "I see it. I go around California, they have Trumps signs all over the place...

Every place has its percentage of loonies.

And Trump signs are perfectly Ok by us normals here in California. That way we know which driveway NOT to try and turn around in.

they're christian nationalists.

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" The DoJ is suing because landlords are using an app to help them determine real market value?"

Way to distort the truth.

They are suing RealPage, a technology company with an algorithm that helps landlords push rents as high as possible.

FTA: RealPage essentially created a platform to allow business competitors to share proprietary data to coordinate setting higher rental rates. When competing businesses enter into agreements with each other to set prices, that's price-fixing.

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Price controls like for oil rent or the minimum wage are under government control.

Also they increase or decrease the money supply by buying or selling Treasuries.

Are you saying the government should not be able to do these things and just let the "free markets" decide?

No modern country has a completely "free market". You knew that right? Every market has rules and boundaries that restrict freedom of choice.

Without government intervention, monopolies could charge whatever prices they want, reducing consumer choice and leading to lower-quality products and services and put profits over public safety.

Hmmm. Now that I say this it does sound exactly like republican policy. Profits over public safety. Now I can see why you think that way!

Where in the past would you want to have invoked the first amendment to punish people up for that?

#56 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Show us where the 1st amendment was "invoked" to "punish" people in the present and maybe I can show you correlations to the past.

Though it's not really fair to compare the present to the past as medical advances and our understanding of causes of diseases and pandemics has changed tremendously.

But I can show you that human nature has not changed that much at all.

"He's on record inciting a riot at the capitol."

Nope. You are confused again. Must be too much of that fixed spews maga programming.

Trumpy is the one who is "on record" for inciting an insurrection and violent riot at the U.S. Capitol.

Ray Epps is"on record" for a single count of disorderly conduct stemming from his presence in the pro-Trump mob near the Capitol on J6.

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Spreading as many lies to create as much confusion and division as they can is all Dingaling and his fellow maga maroons have.

There is nothing on here I cant believe any American would be against.

#10 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Maybe it's HOW they intend to accomplish those things.

The devil is in the details bro.

When you worship a russian puppet who attempted to overthrow the constitution, you hate america.

#15 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

When you incite and or participate in an Insurrection in order to prevent the first peaceful transfer of power in American history then you obviously hate America.

No conservative I know of "hates" America. That's a progressive/liberal thing.

So please, stop saying that, it's untrue.

#13 | Posted by boaz

I know of no true conservatives in the Republican Party any more.

Project 2025 is from a private group and you know it.

#8 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Project 2025 is from the Heritage Foundation whose mission is to build and promote extreme right wing "conservative" public policies and is an activist American "conservative" think tank based in Washington, D.C.

It's a political organization that promotes "conservative" policies.

Doesn't matter that YOU don't seem to know that they are very influential in promoting extreme maga Republican polices.

Which can and will be put into effect if Trumpy wins.

"You and Tim Walz drink out of the same cup?"

2 men 1 cup?

Do not google it.

Re 6

That Dingaling clearly does not understand the 1st amendment.

Their attacks on the Biden Administration are obviously just attempts at deflecting from Trumpy's criminal intentions and behavior.

Never forget that Maga projections are always confessions.

"Exempt employees are where this impacts things much more"

Yup. Exempt and "essential " employees were impacted the most.

"That's a different scenario. In such a situation, the callee is likely to be "on call," i.e., expecting such calls."

Nope. I was "exempt". And classified as essential. Which had benefits in a government shutdown but was mostly used to not pay us overtime. Being "on call" also required extra pay. Which is why many exempt or essential civil servants are not paid to be "on call". As a "essential" salaried manager I was expected to respond even while off duty. My job was to call an employee (who was also not "on call" and try and convince them to come into work. But if I could not "convince" them (or they wisely did not answer the phone) then I had to respond to the problem myself. If I responded I would get paid for my time. Sometimes. There were rules for that too. Like a 2 hour minimum after 15 minutes etc.

the me always justify the means if it helps acquire or maintain power?

#44 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Oopsie. Freudian Slip?

Regardless, it sounds very much like a maga maroon thing.

You clowns clearly don't understand 1A. It's bizarre to see the left become so censorious.

#43 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Pretty sure YOU are the clown that does not understand the 1st amendment.

The U.S. government did not violate it. If you think it did then it should be easy for you to point out exactly where it did.

Me: I wasn't working.

#3 | POSTED BY

Easy to say if someones life and or property were not at risk if you don't respond.

"Harris didn't go because she couldn't use it as a photo-op. "

She knew better (and it was against the rules) to try and use dead soldiers as a political prop for a "photo-op".

Trumpy (and his cultists) think that rules don't apply to him. And if someone actually tries to hold him accountable for his actions when he purposely violates norms and rules for his own benefit then they must be crazy!

Better late than never.

Apparently you do at least when (D)ems are calling the shots.

#38 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

The democrats and public officials did nothing unlawful or unconstitutional. They followed the law.

So what you are saying is that during a global pandemic with thousands dying every day your party is perfectly ok with allowing even more deaths due to the rapid spread of lies and misinformation. (Much of it from hostile foreign powers.)Your party would not do all it legally could to prevent more deaths.

Your party would NOT directly address and/pr pressure private companies to fact check the lies and misinformation that were (and still are ) being spread for political purposes. Lies that would cause even more death.

Why? Because the maga party is built on lies.

Good to know who would do the most, put that extra effort and even go out on a legal limb the protect the lives of the American public during a national (and global) emergency.

Got it.

It won't be Maga republicans.