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Not Salvageable?...Meaning?

I don't accept your basic premise that only the West knows anything.

That only the "facts" you present are correct and accurate. Much of what you post is links to Wikipedia etc. Like that's Holy Writ.

I am playing devil's advocate to some significant degree. I am overemphasizing certain things to be something of a troll at times.

I don't think Russia has a right to put boots on throats. Nobody does. That's Israel not me.

I don't think Israel is putting boots on throats in "Self Defense" I think they are doing it because they Can and Want to.

I think Israel wants it all. Meaning kill or expel anyone they want to.

And I see America, my Home stand with Ethnic Murder and Disproportionate Response.

Worse than anything Russia is doing. Just smaller is scale and area affected in geographic terms.

Morally the Israeli State is far worse than Russia.

Russia isn't perfect or even Correct in their Conduct.

They have caused a huge war over something that could have been negotiated.

But don't tell me the West isn't also pushing them into a response.

Don't act like NATO is Benign.

NATO is Western Imperialism it's ELITES pushing a top down agenda.

At the Expense of the rest of the World.

Nobody has to join but not everyone is invited to.

Russia asked to join, Bill Clinton said that would defeat the purpose of NATO's existence.

NATO is an Anti Russian Alliance. Or sure seems to be to many people.

Why wouldn't the Russians be paranoid about that given the Forces involved with the NATO coalition.

They have North America and most of Europe tryiing to hold them down.

Of course that threatening to them.

Duh?

NATO isn't directly engaged. They are arming,funding and informing the Ukrainians.

That's only a small remove from actually fighting.

NATO has a history of losing interest and just pulling out, Libya, Afghanistan. Even Serbia to some degree as only the Brits really participated.

NATO has MASSIVE war games and exercises on the Russian Western borders. They crowd Russia on the entire western periphery of their lands.

Russia was Wrong to Hit first. No argument. Putin was clear what they wanted though nobody took it at face value.

Russia isn't fighting NATO cuz that would be WW3...No holds barred most likely.

Russia Is fighting an open proxy war with NATO. With Russia as a direct belligerent but not NATO itself, Yet.

Ukraine will likely never regain their lost territory through war,only by Negotiations, if then.

Why are people still dying over this?. That's the Question. I know if I was Ukrainian I wouldn't want to die for a line on a map. Especially now when it's obvious my death would mean Nothing. Change Nothing.

NATO just doesn't want to admit Ukraine can't do it. That they have been defeated in the East.

Russia wants to negotiate.They have largely achieved their objectives.

Ukraine hasn't and won't.

It Sucks, but I guess NATO doesn't care how many Ukrainians have to Die or be Maimed to keep going. It's not their people getting wasted,it's not their infrastructure getting pulverized, it's not their country being dismembered.

Morality has a place and Russia was clearly wrong, but for God's sake just stop making it worse and risking World War... to Lose Anyway.

People say the Palestinians should know when they're beaten
And just leave or make peace.

Rightly so. At least to a point. Is endless war in anyone's interest.

Apparently so if your own people aren't getting killed and your own country isn't getting destroyed and it's profitable,and helps test new weapons.

Without the loss of any American lives.

Sick Cynical ----.

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