Monday, May 06, 2024

Israel Orders 100,000 to Evacuate Rafah

Gazans began leaving eastern Rafah on Monday after Israel's military issued a call for residents there to "evacuate immediately," raising questions over whether Israel will soon carry out its long-threatened assault on the city.

Posted by censored at 09:32 PM | 25 COMMENTS | permalink

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Then they'll blow them up as they flee.

#1 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-05-06 11:30 AM

Bets on the excuses this time when the columns are strafed and bombed?

#2 | Posted by jpw at 2024-05-06 11:42 AM

They want them to leave their homes so they can destroy them with impunity.

But they will still destroy them whether they leave or stay. What's a few thousand more dead children to the ghouls running the IDF?

#3 | Posted by qcp at 2024-05-06 11:51 AM

Apparently this evacuation order was intended to help Hamas to understand that they were still in the FO state of FAFO.

"Hamas' acceptance of the deal comes just hours after Israel ordered Palestinians living in Rafah, a city in southern Gaza, to "evacuate immediately." The order raised fears that Israel's long-threatened assault on the city could be imminent. More than 1 million Palestinians have fled to Rafah, where Hamas is believed to have regrouped after Israel's destruction of much of the north of Gaza. A source familiar with Israeli plans told CNN that a limited incursion into Rafah was intended to keep pressure on Hamas to agree to a deal that would bring about the ceasefire-for-hostages deal." www.cnn.com

#4 | Posted by censored at 2024-05-06 01:46 PM

Then they'll blow them up as they flee. #1 | Posted by Nixon

Bets on the excuses this time when the columns are strafed and bombed?#2 | Posted by jpw

They want them to leave their homes so they can destroy them with impunity. But they will still destroy them whether they leave or stay. What's a few thousand more dead children to the ghouls running the IDF? #3 | Posted by qcp

I know that this will come as a complete shock to the pro-Hamas crowd, but it's actually Hamas that is putting civilians at risk. By claiming that there's a cease-fire when there is not:

"Hamas agreed to a different proposal than one Israel helped craft, sources say The latest proposal calls for an end to the war, which Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said he will not accept, the senior American official said. "It incudes a permanent end to hostilities, which is a red line for (Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin) Netanyahu," the senior US official said. "This is not the same position," the senior Israeli official said." www.cnn.com

So Hamas confuses Palestinian civilians into remaining and serving as their human-shields with claims of agreement to a non-existent cease-fire. And then the pro-Hamasers blame Israel when Israel does exactly what it said it was going to do, blow Rafah, and the Hamas terrorists hiding within, to smithereens.

#5 | Posted by censored at 2024-05-06 08:23 PM

Just because Hamas does something like you allege (and I doubt the validity), that does not absolve Israel of the moral and legal responsibility of dropping bombs on a 20 square mile place with like a million people in it, the vast majority of which are women, children and the infirm.

#6 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-05-06 08:33 PM

Just because Hamas does something like you allege (and I doubt the validity), that does not absolve Israel of the moral and legal responsibility of dropping bombs on a 20 square mile place with like a million people in it, the vast majority of which are women, children and the infirm.

POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2024-05-06 08:33 PM | REPLY

Good luck getting them to understand that. It's like pulling eye teeth.

#7 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-05-06 08:36 PM

Just because [...] #6 | Posted by truthhurts
Good luck [...] #7 | Posted by LauraMohr

It's war. A war that the Palestinians started. Civilians die in war. Especially when combatants hide amongst them.

Which is why Israel told the civilians to skeedaddle to elsewhere. Even drew them a pretty map with soothing pastel colors.

I know you folks would prefer that Israel surrender (out of Jewish guilt?), but that's not likely to happen.

#8 | Posted by censored at 2024-05-06 08:42 PM

"Which is why Israel told the civilians to skeedaddle to elsewhere. "

You stating this like it is a realistic option shows you are not a serious poster on this issue and are seemingly blinded by a blood lust.

I would like Israel to stop killing children. I would hope that anyone with a conscience would feel the same way.

#9 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-05-06 08:47 PM

You stating this like it is a realistic option shows you are not a serious poster on this issue and are seemingly blinded by a blood lust. [...] #9 | Posted by truthhurts

You realize that many people are doing that as we speak, right?: "Terrified and exhausted, thousands flee feared imminent assault on Rafah [...]Their destination was the coastal area about three miles away" www.theguardian.com

Three whole miles! A whole hour's walk! How will they manage?

Your ignorance and misstatement of basic facts that could be found with even a passing Internet search reveals you to be what kind of poster? Someone who loves Hamas and wants to see Israel fail?

#10 | Posted by censored at 2024-05-06 08:59 PM

"I would like Israel to stop killing children."

When it comes to killing children:

Some people don't hold Israel to a higher standard than Hamas.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-05-06 09:38 PM

Israel is Lower than Hamas,they were before 10/7/23.

Israel has behaved as a Terror State since 2006 at least. The last big offensive and war with Hezbollah. Mowing the Grass.

The mass shootings at the fence when the Palestinians protested for a "right to return" to their old homes. Several years later.

Hamas is causing the Israeli's to reveal their soul sickness and depravity to the world.

The private torture chamber has become an uncomfortably open killing field.

It's a very subtle play, in a way. The use of observers reaction to the actions of the Zionist entity.

It will change the way they are perceived Forever.

Israel is Very Vulnerable in that way. It's an Achilles Heel.

But God, the Horrible Costs of such a Play.

How could Hamas do that to their own people?

#12 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-05-07 01:28 AM

"I would like Israel to stop killing children."n children that's ok!n

But if Russians kill Ukrainian children that's good!

Got it Effete!

#13 | Posted by danni at 2024-05-07 06:36 AM

"Someone who loves Hamas and wants to see Israel fail?"

There's that propaganda lie again! I get it, if you object to the indiscriminate massacre of thousand of Palestinians including children that means you love Hamas! And sure these people can walk three miles to get out of the way of the Israelis who intend to destroy their homes. The Israelis are no better than the Russians murdering civillians and destroying Ukraine.

#14 | Posted by danni at 2024-05-07 06:42 AM

There's that propaganda lie again! I get it, if you object to the indiscriminate massacre of thousand of Palestinians including children that means you love Hamas!
Was talking about TruthHurts specifically. He said that I was "not a serious poster on this issue" so I was asking what kind of poster he was. Since he didn't do two seconds of research before decrying me as "blinded by a blood lust."

And sure these people can walk three miles to get out of the way of the Israelis who intend to destroy their homes.
Yes, the homes that Hamas is using as a base of operations. There is nothing magical about homes that render them immune from harm when combatants are shooting rockets from it. That Israel is encouraging civilians to leave should be seen as a good thing, since it is an attempt to minimize collateral damage.

The Israelis are no better than the Russians murdering civillians and destroying Ukraine. #14 | Posted by danni
You might be on to something.

Let me know when the Ukrainians attack a Russian music festival to rape and murder 1,200 Russian civilian men, women, and children and promise to keep on doing so. Also let me know when Ukraine swears to destroy the nation of Russia.

Oh, they haven't? Then maybe Ukraine defending itself from Russia's aggression is similar to Israel defending itself from Palestinian aggression. A point that Zelensky also made "Zelensky Compares Assault by Hamas on Israel to Moscow's Invasion of Ukraine" www.nytimes.com

#15 | Posted by censored at 2024-05-07 08:22 AM

You stating this like it is a realistic option shows you are not a serious poster on this issue and are seemingly blinded by a blood lust. [...] #9 | Posted by truthhurts
You realize that many people are doing that as we speak, right?: "Terrified and exhausted, thousands flee feared imminent assault on Rafah [...]Their destination was the coastal area about three miles away" www.theguardian.com
Three whole miles! A whole hour's walk! How will they manage?
Your ignorance and misstatement of basic facts that could be found with even a passing Internet search reveals you to be what kind of poster? Someone who loves Hamas and wants to see Israel fail?
#10 | Posted by censored at 2024-05-06 08:59 PM

I'd have spit-take my coffee had I read that at the wrong moment.

So many words, too few undeserved.

#16 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2024-05-07 02:14 PM

"Just because Hamas does something like you allege (and I doubt the validity), that does not absolve Israel of the moral and legal responsibility of dropping bombs on a 20 square mile place with like a million people in it, the vast majority of which are women, children and the infirm."

Really?

Are you saying that as someone with even a passing familiarity with the Genevan Conventions?

I'm gonna do you a fave and educate you. If Hamas disperses itself within a civilian population, then the facilities it occupies become valid military target. Just because the Islamic Resistance surrounds itself with women, children, and the infirm, doesn't mean they can't be bombed.

In fact, it is the Islamic Resistance that is committing a war crime by doing so...although I have zero doubts you would never consider it such.

#17 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-05-07 02:30 PM

And let me elucidate you

Both hamas AND Israel can be in the wrong

Who isn't in the wrong?

The dead children

#18 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-05-07 02:36 PM

"Yes, the homes that Hamas is using as a base of operations. There is nothing magical about homes that render them immune from harm when combatants are shooting rockets from it."

True.

Under International Humanitarian Law and the Geneva Conventions, protected entities (such as homes, schools, and religious facilities) lose their protected status if they are being used by a belligerent for a valid military purpose.

In my time doing targeting against the other Islamic State-the one to the northeast-there may have been one or two facilities that had been built for the specific purpose of supporting their operations. Most of what we targeted were civilian structures that had been requisitioned for military use by the Islamic State.

#19 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-05-07 02:38 PM

"In my time doing targeting" .. Now an AI picks the targets and people knowingly kill 20 civilians to kill one suspected combatant no matter the rank. You can get killed for using whatsapp. The bar is so low and nobody cares. Gaza is an occupied territory not some large landscape to stage a war. It is always funny when I read complaints about hamas tactics but they are fish in a barrel- do you want them to stand on the edge of the barrel and then they are as noble as you?

#20 | Posted by Brennnn at 2024-05-07 02:59 PM

"Now an AI picks the targets"

Uhhh...what?

When I was doing this, a 2*/3* approved the targets.

You're saying that Israel has delegated that down to an algorithm?

And Gaza is occupied by the Islamic Resistance. For the civilians of Gaza, Israel and Israel's allies are its allies as well.

#21 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-05-07 03:24 PM

"Now an AI picks the targets"
Uhhh...what?
When I was doing this, a 2*/3* approved the targets.
You're saying that Israel has delegated that down to an algorithm?
And Gaza is occupied by the Islamic Resistance. For the civilians of Gaza, Israel and Israel's allies are its allies as well.
#21 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-05-07 03:24 PM | Reply | Flag:| Newsworthy 1

Israel expresses exact numbers for Hamas government employees murdered and soldiers killed but no statistics whatsoever for the 2.5 million displaced civilians of Gaza.

Does their AI need a calculator?

#22 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2024-05-07 07:19 PM

"It's war. A war that the Palestinians started."

Oh so those Zionists stealing land and displacing Palestinians sure seemed like war to displacrd Palestinians. The actions by the Zionists and allowed by the Israeli government was bound to cause a reaction from the Palestinians. The pretense that the Israelis didn't provoke and enable Hamas just ignores the obvious reality.

#23 | Posted by danni at 2024-05-08 08:46 AM

"Oh so those Zionists stealing land and displacing Palestinians sure seemed like war to displacrd Palestinians."

Stealing land? More like taking key terrain from an enemy who thrice attempted to destroy the country?

You don't think that may have been what provoked Israel to behave the way they did.

In hindsight, capturing and holding key terrain was probably not a bad idea. Abandoning it was.

Israel pulled all of it's military forces and setllers out of the Gaza strip ~20 years ago. Had they not done so, 10/7 may not have happened.

I'm sure it is a lesson they will take to heart.

#24 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-05-08 11:40 AM

So was Auschwitz.

#25 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-05-08 03:47 PM

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